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Toledo
Akron
Ohio
Kent
UB
Miami
EMU
BG
BSU
NIU
CMU
WMU


IDK... going on just MAC play?

Going by conference action only, I just can't see having Akron ahead of Ohio. Both hosted WMU and Ohio won by 31; Akron by 7. Ohio also beat Kent by 18, while Akron beat BG by 5. And then find me a 1-1 MAC team that's been more impressive than BGSU in conference play only. The question is whether or not this is a one-week mirage or if something's clicked with the Falcons.

Toledo
Ohio
Akron
BG
NIU
Buffalo
Kent State
Miami
EMU
Ball State
CMU
WMU

Based on non-conference and two conference games here is how I would ranked the teams so far.
1. Akron- 2 of three losses were to ranked teams and took care of business in MAC action so far.
2. Toledo- two impressive wins early in conference play.
3. Ohio- two impressive home wins, but just 1 win against rpi top 150 so far and 1-3 on the road puts them behind the top two.
4. Buffalo- Split on a difficult road trip was impressive.
5. EMU -This teams has a lot of hype, but a early home loss has to be a head scratcher.
6. NIU- A sleeper in the MAC.
7. CMU They can score a lot, but yet 0-2 start.
8. BGSU- road win at Ball State and close loss at Akron.
9. Miami- This team is scrappy.
10. Kent State- I watched the Oregon St and Ohio games. Not good.
11. Ball State- This team lost at home to BGSU.
12. WMU- This team will struggle in the balanced MAC

http://utrockets.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball#

TOL has had a (h)uge scheduling advantage, almost like nothing I've seen in the MAC in years.

In Dec and Jan they've played 8 games, 7 at home. All but one have been D-I.

I suspect when they start playing a lot of road MAC games they will come down to earth.

I'm starting to think that folks need to figure a way to make sense of OOC schedules.

I saw one team, think it was North Carolina Central, which did NOT play one D-I home game.

Toledo, OTOH, sat home for 5 weeks.

How do you compare apples and oranges?????????????

The TOL schedule in Dec/Jan should produce a gaudy record. N.C. Central is almost guaranteed losing record.

Or look at Long Beach State:

http://www.longbeachstate.com/sports/m-b...sched.html

Wichita State, N. Carolina, Louisville, UCLA, Washington, Texas, Ore. State, etc.

I've become so cynical of OOC schedules that I'm starting to treat them as exhibition games, some teams go on the road for a beating but a nice pay check; other schools buy wins by sitting at home and having a big scheduling advantage.

I don't know how I rank but for Ohio take Hawkins and Senderoff to the woodshed its first 2 games is a very good sign.

(01-08-2017 10:20 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]http://utrockets.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball#

TOL has had a (h)uge scheduling advantage, almost like nothing I've seen in the MAC in years.

In Dec and Jan they've played 8 games, 7 at home. All but one have been D-I.

I suspect when they start playing a lot of road MAC games they will come down to earth.

I'm starting to think that folks need to figure a way to make sense of OOC schedules.

I saw one team, think it was North Carolina Central, which did NOT play one D-I home game.

Toledo, OTOH, sat home for 5 weeks.

How do you compare apples and oranges?????????????

The TOL schedule in Dec/Jan should produce a gaudy record. N.C. Central is almost guaranteed losing record.

Or look at Long Beach State:

http://www.longbeachstate.com/sports/m-b...sched.html

Wichita State, N. Carolina, Louisville, UCLA, Washington, Texas, Ore. State, etc.

I've become so cynical of OOC schedules that I'm starting to treat them as exhibition games, some teams go on the road for a beating but a nice pay check; other schools buy wins by sitting at home and having a big scheduling advantage.

We played the 3rd or 4th toughest OOC in the conference per sagarin. A couple years ago we did the Duke, Oregon, VCU on the road thing. It didnt help. It obviously hasnt hurt us yet if we are 2-0 with 2 blowouts to start the year. Half of the games in the conference are at home... I'll take sweeping the home slate for starters.

Impossible to judge just on MAC play because as we know in the MAC just like any conference, home games are everything.

http://godawgz.com/MAC_power_rank.htm

I still have EMU and CMU leading the pack, but narrowly. Toledo is surging in my rankings

1) Eastern Michigan
2) Central Michigan
3) Toledo
4) Buffalo
5) Kent St
6) Ohio
7) Akron
8) WMU
9) BGSU
10) Ball St
11) NIU
12) Miami-OH

(01-09-2017 12:11 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]Impossible to judge just on MAC play because as we know in the MAC just like any conference, home games are everything.

http://godawgz.com/MAC_power_rank.htm

I still have EMU and CMU leading the pack, but narrowly. Toledo is surging in my rankings

1) Eastern Michigan
2) Central Michigan
3) Toledo
4) Buffalo
5) Kent St
6) Ohio
7) Akron
8) WMU
9) BGSU
10) Ball St
11) NIU
12) Miami-OH

EMU just got blown out by what seems like an average UB team. How are they 1? They also played 4? Non D1 schools? I think they have talent... but 1? And 3 MACW teams in front with 10+ win teams in the East? Nahh. Not feeling these. Maybe it will become closer as the season ends but, nahhhhh.

(01-09-2017 12:11 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]Impossible to judge just on MAC play because as we know in the MAC just like any conference, home games are everything.

http://godawgz.com/MAC_power_rank.htm

I still have EMU and CMU leading the pack, but narrowly. Toledo is surging in my rankings

1) Eastern Michigan
2) Central Michigan
3) Toledo
4) Buffalo
5) Kent St
6) Ohio
7) Akron
8) WMU
9) BGSU
10) Ball St
11) NIU
12) Miami-OH

good to see you grounding your rankings with the 3 undefeated teams at 3rd, 6th and 7th

(01-09-2017 12:11 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]Impossible to judge just on MAC play because as we know in the MAC just like any conference, home games are everything.

http://godawgz.com/MAC_power_rank.htm

I still have EMU and CMU leading the pack, but narrowly. Toledo is surging in my rankings

1) Eastern Michigan
2) Central Michigan
3) Toledo
4) Buffalo
5) Kent St
6) Ohio
7) Akron
8) WMU
9) BGSU
10) Ball St
11) NIU
12) Miami-OH

Yeah, I don't know how it is mathematically feasible to have a formula that places EMU #1. They are 5-6 vs. D1 teams, which includes a 48 point loss against a good but not great Syracuse team.

(01-09-2017 12:11 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]Impossible to judge just on MAC play because as we know in the MAC just like any conference, home games are everything.

http://godawgz.com/MAC_power_rank.htm

I still have EMU and CMU leading the pack, but narrowly. Toledo is surging in my rankings

1) Eastern Michigan
2) Central Michigan
3) Toledo
4) Buffalo
5) Kent St
6) Ohio
7) Akron
8) WMU
9) BGSU
10) Ball St
11) NIU
12) Miami-OH

this is laughable!

Toledo has looked the most impressive through 2 conference games, but that is still a really small sample at this point. At this stage I'll rank the teams as follow.

1) Akron - By RPI Akron holds the 2 best wins in the conference (Marshall and Georgia Southern. Both look like strong contenders in their respectice conferences as does UC-Irvine in the Big West.)
2) Ohio
3) Toledo
4) EMU
5) Buffalo
6) CMU
7) Bowling Green
8) Kent
9) NIU
10) Ball State
11) Miami
12) WMU

(01-09-2017 08:58 AM)kreed5120 Wrote: [ -> ]Toledo has looked the most impressive through 2 conference games, but that is still a really small sample at this point. At this stage I'll rank the teams as follow.

1) Akron - By RPI Akron holds the 2 best wins in the conference (Marshall and Georgia Southern)
2) Ohio
3) Toledo
4) EMU
5) Buffalo
6) CMU
7) Bowling Green
8) Kent
9) NIU
10) Ball State
11) Miami
12) WMU

I am not so sure about Toledo looking the most impressive. it's very close, I think. Toledo was +32 over Buffalo, we were +31 over Western; Toledo was +15 over bottom-feeder Miami, we were +18 over perennial contender Kent State (and led by 29 at one point). but again like you said, only two games and both at home for both teams. lots more to come and things will definitely change. we have to go on the road to UB tomorrow which should be a very, very tough game for us.

(01-09-2017 09:02 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2017 08:58 AM)kreed5120 Wrote: [ -> ]Toledo has looked the most impressive through 2 conference games, but that is still a really small sample at this point. At this stage I'll rank the teams as follow.

1) Akron - By RPI Akron holds the 2 best wins in the conference (Marshall and Georgia Southern)
2) Ohio
3) Toledo
4) EMU
5) Buffalo
6) CMU
7) Bowling Green
8) Kent
9) NIU
10) Ball State
11) Miami
12) WMU

I am not so sure about Toledo looking the most impressive. it's very close, I think. Toledo was +32 over Buffalo, we were +31 over Western; Toledo was +15 over bottom-feeder Miami, we were +18 over perennial contender Kent State (and led by 29 at one point). but again like you said, only two games and both at home for both teams. lots more to come and things will definitely change. we have to go on the road to UB tomorrow which should be a very, very tough game for us.

Yeah, I would label Ohio #2 only because that +32 win over Buffalo IMO was the most eye catching win of MAC play so far. Like its been said it is early and much will change. I feel those ~2 weeks off before conference play kind of has had Akron come out a bit rusty. Hopefully they get back to form fast.

Ranked by my eye test, heavily weighted to MAC play:
(2-0)
1. Toledo
2. Ohio
3. Akron
...with very little difference among the three. Akron has struggled with weaker teams and so is third. #1 and #2 is a tossup as both have dominated better teams than Akron has struggled with at home. The real question is which teams in the conference will be strong on the road. Hard to differentiate these three teams with zero road wins.
Then it gets much harder because of the wide inconsistencies.
(1-1)
4. Buffalo--9 pt win at Ypsi is a solid road win.
5. EMU
6. BG--road win
7. KSU
8. Miami
9. NIU
(0-2)
10. Ball St.
11. CMU
12. WMU

At this point, I wouldn't rank any team with a worse record higher than one with better.

(01-09-2017 10:25 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Ranked by my eye test, heavily weighted to MAC play:
(2-0)
1. Toledo
2. Ohio
3. Akron
...with very little difference among the three. Akron has struggled with weaker teams and so is third. #1 and #2 is a tossup as both have dominated better teams than Akron has struggled with at home. The real question is which teams in the conference will be strong on the road. Hard to differentiate these three teams with zero road wins.
Then it gets much harder because of the wide inconsistencies.
(1-1)
4. Buffalo--9 pt win at Ypsi is a solid road win.
5. EMU
6. BG--road win
7. KSU
8. Miami
9. NIU
(0-2)
10. Ball St.
11. CMU
12. WMU

At this point, I wouldn't rank any team with a worse record higher than one with better.

The only issue here is that not a single 2-0 team has had to play a road game. I think there is a chance CMU stuns Akron, just because Akron is on the road against a very good Chips team

(01-09-2017 10:36 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2017 10:25 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Ranked by my eye test, heavily weighted to MAC play:
(2-0)
1. Toledo
2. Ohio
3. Akron
...with very little difference among the three. Akron has struggled with weaker teams and so is third. #1 and #2 is a tossup as both have dominated better teams than Akron has struggled with at home. The real question is which teams in the conference will be strong on the road. Hard to differentiate these three teams with zero road wins.
Then it gets much harder because of the wide inconsistencies.
(1-1)
4. Buffalo--9 pt win at Ypsi is a solid road win.
5. EMU
6. BG--road win
7. KSU
8. Miami
9. NIU
(0-2)
10. Ball St.
11. CMU
12. WMU

At this point, I wouldn't rank any team with a worse record higher than one with better.

The only issue here is that not a single 2-0 team has had to play a road game. I think there is a chance CMU stuns Akron, just because Akron is on the road against a very good Chips team

Maybe, but I haven't seen much evidence that CMU is "very good."

(01-09-2017 10:56 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2017 10:36 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2017 10:25 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Ranked by my eye test, heavily weighted to MAC play:
(2-0)
1. Toledo
2. Ohio
3. Akron
...with very little difference among the three. Akron has struggled with weaker teams and so is third. #1 and #2 is a tossup as both have dominated better teams than Akron has struggled with at home. The real question is which teams in the conference will be strong on the road. Hard to differentiate these three teams with zero road wins.
Then it gets much harder because of the wide inconsistencies.
(1-1)
4. Buffalo--9 pt win at Ypsi is a solid road win.
5. EMU
6. BG--road win
7. KSU
8. Miami
9. NIU
(0-2)
10. Ball St.
11. CMU
12. WMU

At this point, I wouldn't rank any team with a worse record higher than one with better.

The only issue here is that not a single 2-0 team has had to play a road game. I think there is a chance CMU stuns Akron, just because Akron is on the road against a very good Chips team

Maybe, but I haven't seen much evidence that CMU is "very good."

Then Akron should win in a blowout Tuesday We will see

I'd be surprised to see CMU spring the upset. DiLeo is giving up 2 inches and nearly a 100 pounds to Big Dog and who are they going to double with to force the ball out of Big Dog's hands? 1 of their 2 5'9 guards? He'll eat that double team alive by passing over the trapping player to find one of the Zips open shooters. The teams that have given Akron fits this season are the teams that have length. Length isn't something CMU has. I'd say Akron has a better chance of losing to a team like NIU over CMU.

(01-09-2017 11:07 AM)kreed5120 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be surprised to see CMU spring the upset. DiLeo is giving up 2 inches and nearly a 100 pounds to Big Dog and who are they going to double with to force the ball out of Big Dog's hands? 1 of their 2 5'9 guards? He'll eat that double team alive by passing over the trapping player to find one of the Zips open shooters. The teams that have given Akron fits this season are the teams that have length. Length isn't something CMU has. I'd say Akron has a better chance of losing to a team like NIU over CMU.

CMU has one of the most explosive offenses in the conference. Just not sure Akron can keep up