This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
(01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
(01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
I actually agree that having a G5 playoff would be better for the sport. The only school with a realistic shot at the playoffs this year was Houston who did beat both Heisman hosting Louisville and the Big 12 champs Oklahoma, but they didn't have the depth to handle AAC play and lost three matches. Western Michigan didn't have the SOS . The chances of a G5 school getting in is very low.
Forming a playoff would give some meaning and prestige to those schools and free up that floating G5 spot in the major bowls
(01-06-2017 10:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
I actually agree that having a G5 playoff would be better for the sport. The only school with a realistic shot at the playoffs this year was Houston who did beat both Heisman hosting Louisville and the Big 12 champs Oklahoma, but they didn't have the depth to handle AAC play and lost three matches. Western Michigan didn't have the SOS . The chances of a G5 school getting in is very low.
Forming a playoff would give some meaning and prestige to those schools and free up that floating G5 spot in the major bowls
I'd even be ok with giving them a cut of the CFP money just so they don't feel like they're losing status.
I think it will be a while before the P5 start playing each other exclusively so between a few G5 games every year and a decent bowl agreement, I think we've got the cover sufficient to create our own division.
(01-07-2017 02:49 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
I actually agree that having a G5 playoff would be better for the sport. The only school with a realistic shot at the playoffs this year was Houston who did beat both Heisman hosting Louisville and the Big 12 champs Oklahoma, but they didn't have the depth to handle AAC play and lost three matches. Western Michigan didn't have the SOS . The chances of a G5 school getting in is very low.
Forming a playoff would give some meaning and prestige to those schools and free up that floating G5 spot in the major bowls
I'd even be ok with giving them a cut of the CFP money just so they don't feel like they're losing status.
I think it will be a while before the P5 start playing each other exclusively so between a few G5 games every year and a decent bowl agreement, I think we've got the cover sufficient to create our own division.
Too much money and exposure and practice from the bowl games to give up rent-a-win games. Would need a really good system to have only P5 vsP5 matches not to mention the fight from non-P5 schools from Senators and what not
(01-07-2017 05:47 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2017 02:49 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
I actually agree that having a G5 playoff would be better for the sport. The only school with a realistic shot at the playoffs this year was Houston who did beat both Heisman hosting Louisville and the Big 12 champs Oklahoma, but they didn't have the depth to handle AAC play and lost three matches. Western Michigan didn't have the SOS . The chances of a G5 school getting in is very low.
Forming a playoff would give some meaning and prestige to those schools and free up that floating G5 spot in the major bowls
I'd even be ok with giving them a cut of the CFP money just so they don't feel like they're losing status.
I think it will be a while before the P5 start playing each other exclusively so between a few G5 games every year and a decent bowl agreement, I think we've got the cover sufficient to create our own division.
Too much money and exposure and practice from the bowl games to give up rent-a-win games. Would need a really good system to have only P5 vsP5 matches not to mention the fight from non-P5 schools from Senators and what not
We can drop the Senate and House stuff. Ain't happening! Those guys get paid by the same corporate lobbyists that get their money from the conglomerates that own the networks. Also, virtually all of them are grads of 1 of their 2 largest state schools. In almost every state the elections are controlled by the alums of those two schools and by the people they employ.
No representative or Senate member is going to damage revenue streams to the largest state schools, and most of them are already engaged in cutting funds to the smaller higher ed schools at home.
(01-07-2017 05:47 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2017 02:49 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:45 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
I actually agree that having a G5 playoff would be better for the sport. The only school with a realistic shot at the playoffs this year was Houston who did beat both Heisman hosting Louisville and the Big 12 champs Oklahoma, but they didn't have the depth to handle AAC play and lost three matches. Western Michigan didn't have the SOS . The chances of a G5 school getting in is very low.
Forming a playoff would give some meaning and prestige to those schools and free up that floating G5 spot in the major bowls
I'd even be ok with giving them a cut of the CFP money just so they don't feel like they're losing status.
I think it will be a while before the P5 start playing each other exclusively so between a few G5 games every year and a decent bowl agreement, I think we've got the cover sufficient to create our own division.
Too much money and exposure and practice from the bowl games to give up rent-a-win games. Would need a really good system to have only P5 vsP5 matches not to mention the fight from non-P5 schools from Senators and what not
I think eventually we'll start seeing G5 games on the schedule like we see FCS games now. One or two per season in order to take a breather
I don't think the bowl games will ever go away, but think about who makes the rules. We're already allowing 5-7 teams to make it into the postseason. Whatever the divisional alignment ends up being, there will still be postseason games available for most schools.
Most bowl games are nothing more than exhibitions right now so I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of losing teams start to get in.
Two divisions in FBS just might be the ticket
But how long would it take before both FBS champions play each other
Something like the AFL vs NFL
(01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
Actually, the vast majority of G5 fans are vehemently against the idea. No one is interested in being the new FCS, which is what this would lead to, and no one is interesting in playing for a JV championship. It won't help the sport, because the G5 will just be forgotten about more than they already are. G5 schools will lose fans, and it will be a death sentence to schools looking for the chance to move up.
I disagree, the potential fan base is there to get big
As is the recruiting
It might take 10 years but so be it
(01-08-2017 10:45 PM)techdawg28 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
Actually, the vast majority of G5 fans are vehemently against the idea. No one is interested in being the new FCS, which is what this would lead to, and no one is interesting in playing for a JV championship. It won't help the sport, because the G5 will just be forgotten about more than they already are. G5 schools will lose fans, and it will be a death sentence to schools looking for the chance to move up.
If it were a death sentence then FCS schools would never be able to move up to FBS yet it happens all the time.
I dare say there are FCS squads that regularly compete for championships that are more well known than most G5 squads. How many people have heard of North Dakota State or App State while they were making their run and beating Michigan. Winning creates opportunities, but you have to win.
(01-09-2017 12:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2017 10:45 PM)techdawg28 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 10:01 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2017 08:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]This is from last week, but I think it shows us where things are moving.
Growing number of Group of 5 officials considering playoff
I've said for a while this would be a good idea and would be a way for G5 teams to create their own national identity. Not to mention, it would give them more money than a few bowl games that hardly anyone cares about.
Of course, the article notes pushback from officials like Mike Aresco who are living in fantasy land...
Quote:"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
AAC schools or any other G5 doesn't compete for FBS championships. I don't have to tell you that, but some people are holding on to the notion that all it takes is one special season and that top G5 champion will certainly get into the playoff. Of course, that's not going to happen.
The G5 needs to act and build their own playoff. They're going to need it when either NCAA separation comes or another division is created within the NCAA.
At this point it is the best possible outcome for them and for the game. Their fans can get jazzed about playing for a championship and that will help the sport. It will also free the P5 to move to a P4 to do the same.
If they decide on a playoff don't be surprised if the G5 becomes a G4.
Actually, the vast majority of G5 fans are vehemently against the idea. No one is interested in being the new FCS, which is what this would lead to, and no one is interesting in playing for a JV championship. It won't help the sport, because the G5 will just be forgotten about more than they already are. G5 schools will lose fans, and it will be a death sentence to schools looking for the chance to move up.
If it were a death sentence then FCS schools would never be able to move up to FBS yet it happens all the time.
I dare say there are FCS squads that regularly compete for championships that are more well known than most G5 squads. How many people have heard of North Dakota State or App State while they were making their run and beating Michigan. Winning creates opportunities, but you have to win.
Fair points, although moving up to FBS in general is a lot easier than getting included in the P5. And I'd say Boise State is better known after beating Oklahoma, then later winning the Fiesta Bowl two more times. To be the best, you have to first beat the best, it seems, and if the G5 and P5 split would there be any chances to beat the best? Play in NY6 bowls?
It just feels like splitting off would give the more arrogant among the P5 fans the ability to say "See, they don't belong with us" and push a nail in the coffin.
What a lot of people are calling for (as I'm sure you've heard) is expanding the CFP to 8 teams, where the P5 champs and highest ranked G5 champ get bids along with two at-larges. G5 fans feel like that would give a much greater chance of gaining respect. At least it gives G5 teams a chance to try.