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With no national champion since BYU in 1984, it's not shocking that the conferences outside of the Power 5 might be a little low on hope when it comes to their odds of ever winning a title under the current College Football Playoff system. Fans and commentators alike have asked: why doesn't the Group of 5 stage their own championship.


ESPN's Brett McMurphy is reporting that a "growing number of Group of 5 officials" favor adding a separate playoff for their schools. For those who are unfamiliar, the Group of 5 is comprised of the American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, Mid-American Conference, Mountain West Conference and Sun Belt Conference.

"It's time to have a realistic conversation about creating a playoff for the Group of 5," Northern Illinois athletic director Sean Frazier told ESPN. "Why not?"

I can give you 83.5 million reasons why not.

That's how much the Group of 5 conferences will split this year from the College Football Playoff - even without a team in the semifinals.

An industry source told ESPN there has been interest from NBC, CBS and ESPN in televising a Group of 5 playoff. But would it command $83.5 million annually?

If Conference USA's new television deal recently is any indication, I'd say no. While the Big Ten nearly tripled its previous contract when it struck its new deal this year, Conference USA saw its per school payouts plummet from $1.1 million to $200,000. Although it's merely one data point, it's not exactly a great indicator of the Group of 5's current value.


Frazier also assumes the College Football Playoff would keep paying the Group of 5 the current payout, so any television money from the new playoff created would be in addition to - not a replacement of - the current $83.5 million annually. But that's a pretty big assumption to make.


Currently, the highest ranked Group of 5 member plays in a New Year's 6 bowl. Frazier's vision would see the five conference champions and three at-large teams or independents play in an eight-game playoff.

But how would that impact the ability to send a team to the New Year's 6? Somehow they're going to squeeze in three extra games for the Group of 5 between conference championship games and the New Year's 6? And then that team is going to go on and be healthy enough and have the stamina to play against a Power 5 team in a New Year's 6 bowl?

And you can definitely kiss the $83.5 million goodbye if you aren't sending a team to the New Year's 6, because then you aren't even part of the College Football Playoff system anymore.

And if you're trying to stage three playoff games after the conference championships, your teams probably aren't playing in many bowl games - if any. But let's assume you can replace any revenue and exposure from bowl games with the new playoff. Sure, some Group of 5 schools lose more money than they make going to bowl games, but let's not forget this new playoff they'd be creating also creates expenses - game day, promotion, manpower, etc.

American Athletic Conference commissioner Mike Aresco says he has no interest in seeing a Group of 5 playoff come to fruition.

"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."


Several athletic directors from the Group of 5 also shared their opposition with ESPN anonymously:

"You mean compete for a junior varsity championship?" one Group of 5 AD said. "No thanks."

"Absolutely would not want a separate playoff," said a Group of 5 AD, "and I can't put enough exclamation points behind that."

I understand the frustration from the Group of 5 because, let's face it, there's not a lot of hope that they can produce a team that makes the semifinals, much less the national championship. And unfortunately, there's not a lot they can do about that since their teams start at a deficit when it comes to strength of schedule, a key factor in the College Football Playoff selection process.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's a solution that allows the Group of 5 to have their cake and eat it too. I believe they'll have to choose: money or playoff. Which is ultimately more important to them?
Frazier knows better than this nonsense:

It won't happen. No G5 school really believes this is a good idea. It's a desperate idea that hopefully will spark real conversation about a real College Football Playoff that includes everyone that's deserving......
(12-29-2016 02:20 PM)BDB5yp Wrote: [ -> ]Frazier knows better than this nonsense:

It won't happen. No G5 school really believes this is a good idea. It's a desperate idea that hopefully will spark real conversation about a real College Football Playoff that includes everyone that's deserving......

Agreed
Bad idea.
(12-29-2016 02:26 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2016 02:20 PM)BDB5yp Wrote: [ -> ]Frazier knows better than this nonsense:

It won't happen. No G5 school really believes this is a good idea. It's a desperate idea that hopefully will spark real conversation about a real College Football Playoff that includes everyone that's deserving......

Agreed

Frazier got his name into some stories today. Just like he did last week when he tweeted that NIU would be ready to play a bowl game if called upon. Not sure that getting his name associated with some quotes wasn't the objective.
(12-29-2016 03:50 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2016 02:26 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2016 02:20 PM)BDB5yp Wrote: [ -> ]Frazier knows better than this nonsense:

It won't happen. No G5 school really believes this is a good idea. It's a desperate idea that hopefully will spark real conversation about a real College Football Playoff that includes everyone that's deserving......

Agreed

Frazier got his name into some stories today. Just like he did last week when he tweeted that NIU would be ready to play a bowl game if called upon. Not sure that getting his name associated with some quotes wasn't the objective.

There is no doubt about that. Everything he does serves him. He is looking for a way out of NIU.
Article pretty much nails it, in particular "I can give you 83.5 million reasons why not."

Can't get Saturday exposure, local tv in Chicago every weekend. Settle for weekdays just to make money. And somehow, some playoff is going to change things? LOL. P5 may even turn their backs on playing you, those paydays

And as MD says, "Everything he does serves him. He is looking for a way out of NIU."

Nail on the head.

Almost seems he just did it to have his name in the headlines.
Obviously the team that makes the New Year's 6 will not be a part of the playoffs. The next 4 or 8 teams can play in it. As long as we can keep the current system and add the pkayoffs I think it's a win-win.
Then if you won the "G5 playoffs" you still wouldn't be the G5 champ, because you wouldn't have played possibly the best G5 team, since they're in the access bowl.
You'd be the G5 playoff champ. Great consolation prize for missing out on the New Year's 6.
A G5 play-off might be the best way to increase the strength of schedule of top performing teams.

If WMU played Arkansas State and Wyoming both 2-0 against top 25 teams
It would have a stronger Strength of Schedule.

This year outside of WMU and AAC top 25 rankings were very sparse, but in previous years
That was not the case, and likely in future years that would not be the case.

Scheduling teams two- three years ahead, is not a great way to insure that you will receive a team that is doing well that year. A play-off based on a team's performance for that year
Might be the best way to improve G5 strength of schedule and force the argument of a larger and more inclusive play-off.
(12-29-2016 09:23 PM)sterling1man Wrote: [ -> ]A G5 play-off might be the best way to increase the strength of schedule of top performing teams.

If WMU played Arkansas State and Wyoming both 2-0 against top 25 teams
It would have a stronger Strength of Schedule.

This year outside of WMU and AAC top 25 rankings were very sparse, but in previous years
That was not the case, and likely in future years that would not be the case.

Scheduling teams two- three years ahead, is not a great way to insure that you will receive a team that is doing well that year. A play-off based on a team's performance for that year
Might be the best way to improve G5 strength of schedule and force the argument of a larger and more inclusive play-off.

You can try sterling, but I don't think you are going to be able to talk yourself into this being a good idea. If this is really the route NIU wants to take, then Id recommend just going FCS. Has Frazier polled fans about support for this plan, or does he continue so sit in the castle without having to converse with the average fan. MAC leadership and MAC ADs have gutted this conference. If we did not have exemplary coaches and players in basketball and football over the years, this conference would be extinct.
This is a great idea based on the system we are currently using. The gap between P5 and G5 exists and obviously there's a gap between G5 and FCS. Stop pretending it doesn't exist. If we can get this to work it might hasten the move to the super conferences or an extended playoffs if the G5 playoffs are a huge success.
(12-29-2016 09:43 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a great idea based on the system we are currently using. The gap between P5 and G5 exists and obviously there's a gap between G5 and FCS. Stop pretending it doesn't exist. If we can get this to work it might hasten the move to the super conferences or an extended playoffs if the G5 playoffs are a huge success.

+1
(12-29-2016 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2016 09:23 PM)sterling1man Wrote: [ -> ]A G5 play-off might be the best way to increase the strength of schedule of top performing teams.

If WMU played Arkansas State and Wyoming both 2-0 against top 25 teams
It would have a stronger Strength of Schedule.

This year outside of WMU and AAC top 25 rankings were very sparse, but in previous years
That was not the case, and likely in future years that would not be the case.

Scheduling teams two- three years ahead, is not a great way to insure that you will receive a team that is doing well that year. A play-off based on a team's performance for that year
Might be the best way to improve G5 strength of schedule and force the argument of a larger and more inclusive play-off.

You can try sterling, but I don't think you are going to be able to talk yourself into this being a good idea. If this is really the route NIU wants to take, then Id recommend just going FCS. Has Frazier polled fans about support for this plan, or does he continue so sit in the castle without having to converse with the average fan. MAC leadership and MAC ADs have gutted this conference. If we did not have exemplary coaches and players in basketball and football over the years, this conference would be extinct.

How else are G5 schools going to get a larger piece of the TV revenues?

There were and will be years when several G5 teams outside the AAC end the season ranked in the top 25.

Alabama faced 6 top 25 teams this year, Clemson and Oklahoma 3.
WMU faced 1.
The only way a G5 team can argue that it belongs in the playoffs is if it
Has a strength of schedule to prove it belongs.

Secondly the revenue would be divided by the G5 providing a potential
Great windfall for many G5 FB programs.

Do you believe that the only way towards inclusion in the playoffs and a larger slice of the TV revenue is to go cup and hand to the P5?
(12-29-2016 05:21 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: [ -> ]Obviously the team that makes the New Year's 6 will not be a part of the playoffs. The next 4 or 8 teams can play in it. As long as we can keep the current system and add the pkayoffs I think it's a win-win.


So the"champion" of the G5 isn't even really the champion, but the 2nd best team? 01-wingedeagle

In what world does that many ANY sense?

You sign for your own "G5 Championship" say good bye to any bowls, good bye the NY day six game and any inclusion by P5. Pretty simple. You need to wait a few years when they go to 8/12 teams and I can pretty much guarantee you will have a playoff with the G5 leftovers when they basically become 4 conferences. They will have to. Until then be happy you have the chance at a piece of the pie, you have bowl tie ins and an actual contract with ESPN to show MAC crap.
(12-29-2016 09:43 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a great idea based on the system we are currently using. The gap between P5 and G5 exists and obviously there's a gap between G5 and FCS. Stop pretending it doesn't exist. If we can get this to work it might hasten the move to the super conferences or an extended playoffs if the G5 playoffs are a huge success.

I could easily see P5 then saying to their schools you play 1 FCS, one G5 in non-conference which would kill some schools in the wallet. The ones who like the get 750k-1m twice a year to show up. And how do you decide who is in the playoff? Division champs? Conference champs? Go 1-3 vs OSU, Michigan, SDST and WIU, 9-3 overall vs. 4-1 vs. SMU, ECU, Purdue and SIU. 10-2 overall. You then have same issues as playoff. And who is going to decide? A committee? A formula? A committee who will never watch any of these teams play, moreso than the one that already exists?

College football is already killing itself with this championship.It is killing it for all but 20 teams that have a chance each year to play for the title. Is that what G5 wants? Tell a school like USF you can go on the road to play NIU in a playoff game in December, but you can't go play a few hundred miles away or less and attract 10k fans in warm weather.
This is a long shot to happen but G5 does have to do something to bring in revenue. The gap between P5 and G5 has grown and many schools won't be able to support the costs. P5 schools control everything including scheduling and there's no way for G5 teams to be on the same level. G5 already had to create G5 bowls like the Miami beach, Bahamas, and Camelia after P5 changed the bid process to take at large bids away from the G 5. Rarely does a P5 play a G5 in a bowl.
(12-30-2016 04:16 AM)Dtownboys Wrote: [ -> ]This is a long shot to happen but G5 does have to do something to bring in revenue. The gap between P5 and G5 has grown and many schools won't be able to support the costs. P5 schools control everything including scheduling and there's no way for G5 teams to be on the same level. G5 already had to create G5 bowls like the Miami beach, Bahamas, and Camelia after P5 changed the bid process to take at large bids away from the G 5. Rarely does a P5 play a G5 in a bowl.

Noone will watch a D league playoff, I know I sure wont watch it, even if NIU is playing in it or not. It means nothing
(12-30-2016 08:11 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-30-2016 04:16 AM)Dtownboys Wrote: [ -> ]This is a long shot to happen but G5 does have to do something to bring in revenue. The gap between P5 and G5 has grown and many schools won't be able to support the costs. P5 schools control everything including scheduling and there's no way for G5 teams to be on the same level. G5 already had to create G5 bowls like the Miami beach, Bahamas, and Camelia after P5 changed the bid process to take at large bids away from the G 5. Rarely does a P5 play a G5 in a bowl.

Noone will watch a D league playoff, I know I sure wont watch it, even if NIU is playing in it or not. It means nothing

If NIU or a MAC Champion plays an extra game against a Conference USA champion
I would pay to watch it on TV.
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