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We batted around the idea of the P3 a while back although it involved the disintegration of both the ACC and the Big 12. Well, now the ACC is stable.

The question I have is, is there a way we could still end up with a P3?

Benefits being 1) the leagues could still be larger and incorporate their own semi-finals without having to add any G5s 2) and all the Power champs could still make the playoff with the added intrigue of a wildcard.

There seems to be some level of weakness in the PAC and their GOR will expire around the time the Big 12's does. Unless the PAC sells their network, is it possible they could be ripe for invasion?

Would the networks use this opportunity to create multi-regional leagues?

I was intrigued a while back when it was suggested UCLA should join the Big 12. Now, that was relatively absurd as no current P5 should be thinking about joining the Big 12. The question remains...would anyone from the PAC actually entertain joining a new league that was a bit stronger overall?

Weaknesses of the PAC:

1. Their time zone issues limit exposure.
2. Their relative lack of fan passion limits distribution of their network.
3. Their lack of recruiting bases outside of CA limits exposure to talent.
4. Their lack of appealing expansion options outside of a Big 12 members.
5. While the PAC is a collection of fine national universities, their exposure to other regions' students is also limited.

What if the networks look at the PAC as an opportunity to create multi-regional leagues as is done with professional leagues? Some pro leagues divide up into East and West conferences to limit travel, but others like the NFL and MLB spread their divisions from coast to coast to maximize national viewership.

I want to say I'm not suggesting this should happen. I like the regionalism of college sports. I'm suggesting maybe it could happen if the networks start to think a little differently. Most of the weaknesses above are allayed by joining up with Eastern based conferences.

What about this?

SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State, USC, and Utah

B1G takes Colorado, UCLA, Stanford, California, Oregon, and Washington

ACC takes Notre Dame, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia

Now, you've got 3 conferences of 20. Divide them up into 4 divisions and you've got conference semi-finals. Each conference champion goes to the playoff along with one wildcard.

Each league is multi-regional with the Eastern based ACC stretching only into the Midwest while the more Central based SEC and B1G reach to the West Coast.

Current Power schools left out...Washington State, Oregon State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor

Thoughts?

P3?

The death of two power 5 conferences?

I think we would see another Big 8/SWC type merger if two conferences started getting picked apart and the others need to reform together to secure an easier path to the playoffs, postseason bowl slots and lucrative tv contracts with an inventory of sellable games. I think too many schools would probably lose money trying to sell tv rights on their own if they went the independent route.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing Texas go the independent route as they could pick and choose who they would play on the football field; preferably my hogs yearly again and the Aggies as most in Texas would like to see that game return

I think everything hinges on whether the playoff expands or we might see Major bowl games move to a playoff system. ( 4 teams going to the Sugar bowl) If those things happen. I actually can see new conferences forming instead of moving to these mega conferences.

IF this were to happen, would USC & Stanford want to stick with ND?

Just to play along:
ACC gets ND, USC, Stanford, Kansas, Washington St & Iowa State

SEC gets Arizona, Arz St, WV, Texas, Oklahoma & Okl St

BIG gets UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Colorado & Utah

This would leave out TT, TCU, Baylor, Kansas St & Oregon State. Would the SEC replace WV with one of these 5?

(12-26-2016 09:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]IF this were to happen, would USC & Stanford want to stick with ND?

Just to play along:
ACC gets ND, USC, Stanford, Kansas, Washington St & Iowa State

SEC gets Arizona, Arz St, WV, Texas, Oklahoma & Okl St

BIG gets UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Colorado & Utah

This would leave out TT, TCU, Baylor, Kansas St & Oregon State. Would the SEC replace WV with one of these 5?

Or with that combination, elevate the Mountain West to more of a tweener conference and less of a one-trick pony?

If the Pac has problems today it would be even more ridiculous if several programs are spread out over other conferences just from the travel required. So they'd stay put just for that reason. But let's say that happens regardless.

USC and Stanford could work out for the ACC, as they gain critical exposure in the West Coast markets. Would the ACC then take a program closer to New York and DC like Navy to take advantage of East Coast/West Coast exposure? But what about additional partners in that region? Could Air Force make sense?

Stanford, Navy, USC, Air Force, TCU, Notre Dame

It's simpler for the SEC. West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Texas, Baylor

Finally, the Big Ten gets Colorado, Arizona, Cal, UCLA, Washington and Oregon


Utah, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Washington State, Oregon State, New Mexico, Kansas State, Colorado State and Iowa State and BYU form a conference of mostly public schools that could act as a buffer between the power conferences and the rest of FBS.

My thoughts only; but this leads to conferences that are way too big. I almost think 16 teams in the conference is way too big. But it is where we are now, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future we go the other way. Maybe at some point we go back to smaller more regional based conferences. But who knows…

(12-31-2016 10:29 PM)texasorange Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts only; but this leads to conferences that are way too big. I almost think 16 teams in the conference is way too big. But it is where we are now, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future we go the other way. Maybe at some point we go back to smaller more regional based conferences. But who knows…

The old smaller conference will be the new division. It will be basically regional like the old smaller conferences, but they will share the overhead of the operations with more schools to reduce overhead. Why pay two commissioners and keep up two office complexes when one will do.