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Jurich is not happy. From the article.....

“I can be honest with you, over on our campus we’re very tired of all the rhetoric,” Jurich said on “D&D Spill the Tea,” a Saturday morning radio show on WLOU 1350 AM. “If they don’t want us in there just tell us — we’ll leave.”
Jurich suggested the university could build its own arena on the Belknap campus where 22 silos once stood near Interstate 65 and host men's and women's basketball games there.
They aren't going anywhere unless the NBA comes to town.
(12-06-2016 05:18 PM)rednblackattack Wrote: [ -> ]Jurich is not happy. From the article.....

“I can be honest with you, over on our campus we’re very tired of all the rhetoric,” Jurich said on “D&D Spill the Tea,” a Saturday morning radio show on WLOU 1350 AM. “If they don’t want us in there just tell us — we’ll leave.”
Jurich suggested the university could build its own arena on the Belknap campus where 22 silos once stood near Interstate 65 and host men's and women's basketball games there.

What rhetoric? Is there some political backlash to the deal Louisville has with the Yum Center?

Without an NBA team, that building is just going to sit empty without Louisville isn't it?
(12-06-2016 07:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-06-2016 05:18 PM)rednblackattack Wrote: [ -> ]Jurich is not happy. From the article.....

“I can be honest with you, over on our campus we’re very tired of all the rhetoric,” Jurich said on “D&D Spill the Tea,” a Saturday morning radio show on WLOU 1350 AM. “If they don’t want us in there just tell us — we’ll leave.”
Jurich suggested the university could build its own arena on the Belknap campus where 22 silos once stood near Interstate 65 and host men's and women's basketball games there.

What rhetoric? Is there some political backlash to the deal Louisville has with the Yum Center?

Without an NBA team, that building is just going to sit empty without Louisville isn't it?

http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/official...9b9a7.html
(12-06-2016 07:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-06-2016 05:18 PM)rednblackattack Wrote: [ -> ]Jurich is not happy. From the article.....

“I can be honest with you, over on our campus we’re very tired of all the rhetoric,” Jurich said on “D&D Spill the Tea,” a Saturday morning radio show on WLOU 1350 AM. “If they don’t want us in there just tell us — we’ll leave.”
Jurich suggested the university could build its own arena on the Belknap campus where 22 silos once stood near Interstate 65 and host men's and women's basketball games there.

What rhetoric? Is there some political backlash to the deal Louisville has with the Yum Center?

Without an NBA team, that building is just going to sit empty without Louisville isn't it?


The rhetoric of the local government officials trying to blame the deal that former city officials gave U of L in order to build the arena in the first place ... as to why the arena is facing financial trouble, in a few short years.

As the primary tenant, U of L is easy to point fingers at, but .... the bottom line is, the city was desperate to build the arena in the first place, to clean up an eye sore between the river and main street (which also added $100m to the price tag), and they needed U of L to commit so they could justify building it. And now, that the higher bond payments on coming due, and the city is reaching a max contribution to keep things afloat, the current politicians are looking for someone to scape goat.

This is what Jurich is talking about. And Jurich is smart enough to know that there is NO amount of money that U of L could agree too, that would "save" the city from the deal they cobbled together when this was put in place.

It will take commitments from all the parties involved -- state, city and U of L -- to put things on firmer financial ground.
Well, just from reading some articles on it, I think it is clear that the city wanted to build an arena and they needed Louisville to commit to playing in it to justify building it.

Louisville, understanding that it had leverage, stuck it to the local leaders - and by extension the people of the state of Kentucky.

Now, everyone's having buyer's remorse and of course they want to renegotiate the terms. Louisville is making $20 million per year and reaping 88% of the profits. That is really high and it would be even for a professional sports team. I mean did the university contribute even a nickel towards its construction?

That's a pretty good deal if you can get it. You don't assume any of the risk and you make 88% of the profit.

With that in mind, of course Louisville does not want to renegotiate that lease. Why would they? They might have the best deal in the entire country right now. I would do the same thing if I were in their position.

However, for the people of Louisville and the state of Kentucky, they are on the other end of that spectrum. They may have the worst deal in the entire country right now.

Honestly, I don't blame anyone involved. I do think those terms or onerous for the long-term viability of that arena. However, that's up to the people of Kentucky to decide.

Also, I think Jurich's sabre rattling here is beyond absurd and the exact wrong tack to take in this case. He should be calming the waters and letting sleeping dogs lie, not challenging everyone.

If I were a leader in Louisville or Kentucky and I read the athletic director make those asinine remarks, I would publicly call his bluff. I would openly encourage him to build an arena on their campus. I understand that would leave the Yum! Center without an anchor tenant but the truth is you can fill that facility with other events. Kansas City has been doing it for years.

I guarantee you Jurich would back down so fast it would make your head spin. I mean, what happens if they were only to make 75% of the profit and just $15 million per year; or just 60% of the profit and $10 million per year? Would that really constitute a tragedy?

I'm pretty sure that's still a FAR better deal than building a brand-new arena on your campus.
The kicker is that if UofL were replaced by and NBA them, then the arena would get less money. An NBA team would require 100% of revenue, and maybe some other subsidies. The idea that an NBA team would save the arena financing arrangements is a huge myth.

All the parties are just posturing before getting down to brass tacks. Everyone has incentives to see the financing stabilized. And UofL definitely does not want an empty arena downtown waiting on an NBA team, or some other bluish team, to move in.
I agree completely. This is just public negotiating and posturing. They will come to an agreement with which all sides can live.
Some more history needs to be known. This site had a proposal to build a casino but it required a change in state law. There was also a slightly smaller site nearby that was also proposed. U of L was already under way to building their own on campus arena near PJCS. The city/state used U of L's Final 4 & championship success to motivate the project to continue the plan to revitalize downtown. It has done that but not to the degree that was projected.

The city of Louisville is the primary financial resource for the state. There has always been a disconnect between the city & the rest of the state. Some politicians are now using this for political gain, saying things like make Kentucky great again by building a wall around Louisville. Jurich comments were said in this renewed rhetoric to make the university look bad for others political gain. It's not good business to defame the people you want to renegotiate with before you even ask them to renegotiate.
There are a lot of details missing here. Does UoL keep ticket revenues plus an addition $20 million? The $20 million sounds like the right total for MBB, WBB and WVB ticket revenues.

WBB and WVB might be part of the problem. YUM is a big building. Does WBB and WVB draw enough of a crowd to warrant a 22,000 seat arena?
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2016/10/24...-bankrupt/

A bit of context here: When the city built the arena for the state university for $339 million in 2010, the bonds were supposed to be paid off roughly evenly from city general fund money, luxury suites and arena advertising, and cash from that TIF district (i.e., any increased property taxes collected in the area right around the arena). The university, meanwhile, would collect almost all other revenues from the arena. With the TIF revenue falling short, the city now needs to come up with another way to pay off its share of the bonds (about $13 million a year) plus operating costs, or else let the place go bankrupt.

The good news is that this is mostly just a bookkeeping problem: The city vastly overestimated its future TIF revenue, so now needs to dip into one of its other pockets if it wants to keep up with its arena bond payments. The bad news is that this was going to be city money either way — since even according to the city’s own figures the TIF district was just cannibalizing property taxes that otherwise would have been paid elsewhere in the city, taxpayers were going to be on the hook for more than $200 million worth of bonds regardless. So now it’s just a question of how else to pay off the debt.
(12-07-2016 10:05 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]Well, just from reading some articles on it, I think it is clear that the city wanted to build an arena and they needed Louisville to commit to playing in it to justify building it.

Louisville, understanding that it had leverage, stuck it to the local leaders - and by extension the people of the state of Kentucky.

Now, everyone's having buyer's remorse and of course they want to renegotiate the terms. Louisville is making $20 million per year and reaping 88% of the profits. That is really high and it would be even for a professional sports team. I mean did the university contribute even a nickel towards its construction?

That's a pretty good deal if you can get it. You don't assume any of the risk and you make 88% of the profit.

With that in mind, of course Louisville does not want to renegotiate that lease. Why would they? They might have the best deal in the entire country right now. I would do the same thing if I were in their position.

However, for the people of Louisville and the state of Kentucky, they are on the other end of that spectrum. They may have the worst deal in the entire country right now.

Honestly, I don't blame anyone involved. I do think those terms or onerous for the long-term viability of that arena. However, that's up to the people of Kentucky to decide.

Also, I think Jurich's sabre rattling here is beyond absurd and the exact wrong tack to take in this case. He should be calming the waters and letting sleeping dogs lie, not challenging everyone.

If I were a leader in Louisville or Kentucky and I read the athletic director make those asinine remarks, I would publicly call his bluff. I would openly encourage him to build an arena on their campus. I understand that would leave the Yum! Center without an anchor tenant but the truth is you can fill that facility with other events. Kansas City has been doing it for years.

I guarantee you Jurich would back down so fast it would make your head spin. I mean, what happens if they were only to make 75% of the profit and just $15 million per year; or just 60% of the profit and $10 million per year? Would that really constitute a tragedy?

I'm pretty sure that's still a FAR better deal than building a brand-new arena on your campus.


Some info to enlighten this post a bit ...

The site that the Yum Center was built on, had $125 million in added expenses, as it housed a sub station for Louisville Gas and Electric. Removing this industrial eye sore from main street, and relocating it, was the primary reason this site was chosen. U of L was in favor of two other downtown sites for the arena, because of this extra financial burden. But U of L agreed to the site when the state and city assured them that the financials could work. So, being the good corporate citizen U of L agreed to move their games to this location, despite their misgivings about the financial underpinnings. And now .... when it appears that the misgivings U of L had in the first place are coming to fruition, and the local political leaders are publicly painting U of L as the bad guy in this deal ... you can see why Tom Jurich is pushing back, as hard as he is.

Also ... when you add $125 million to the construction cost, it makes it impossible to accurately compare it to other city arenas, like the Kansas City Sprint Center. Subtract that $125M, and yeah, you could get away with it being empty of a primary tenant, just hosting events, and an arena league team. But ... this added expense means the city desperately needs the 50-60 events that U of L provides it a year. Take those away, and the city will default on the property, and it's bond and credit rating would take a gigantic hit. THIS is why Jurich can leverage things the way he is.

Finally, while revenues to U of L increased when they moved to the Yum Center, so did expenses, and the actual increase to the athletic program is not as great as can be made out by those with agendas (in this state, that has been local political leadership, and state wide, it is the Big Blue supporters, who were desperate to try and build an equivalent facility for UK in Lexington - which failed last spring/summer). U of L pays about $160,000 a game in rent for each men's game, and $5,000 a game in rent for women's games. Not sure what the volleyball match rent is, but I would assume it is around what the women's game rental fee is. (To contrast this, UK pays $25,000 a game for use of the city owned Rupp Arena.) The concessions deal is the same as it was in state owned Freedom Hall, and is a revenue stream for the arena. And the suites wouldn't get sold nearly to the degree they have been, without U of L as a tenant.


I think in the end, all parties will agree to some increase in their level of responsibility toward making the $$$ work on the Yum Center. But as long as the newly cleared space on campus remains vacant, you can guarantee that Tom Jurich will use that to leverage his position in this whole bargain. And .... if the city foolishly calls his bluff (and the mayor today is sounding like that won't happen) .... I would never bet against him when it came to building facilities. The one thing he has done throughout his AD career, all the way back to NAU and Colorado State, was improve facilities. U of L's athletic department is on sound financial footing, and is expanding the football stadium WITHOUT need for state or local bonding. He has proven his flexibility at getting things done. And I think he'd be more than up to the task if push came to shove.

But .... I don't think push will come to shove. I think the mayor will tell the alderman who are popping off to shut their pie holes until things get resolved. We shall see though.
Lets not overlook the fact either that the University of Louisville has shown the willingness to make concessions to help out the Arena Authority. For instance, U of L agreed to give up $1.5 million total over 3 years from its share of arena sponsorship revenue.

http://arenadigest.com/20131014/kfc-yum-...ncessions/

Overall, the arena generates about $5.5 million in sponsorship revenues a year, according to AEG, the building’s operator. U of L stood to receive $1 million in sponsorship money this year but agreed to receive $750,000, with next year’s share capped at $850,000 and $950,000 the following year, said Justin Jokovich, AEG’s finance director.

The move will free up an estimated $1.5 million for arena debt payments over three years….
(12-07-2016 02:07 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2016/10/24...-bankrupt/

A bit of context here: When the city built the arena for the state university for $339 million in 2010, the bonds were supposed to be paid off roughly evenly from city general fund money, luxury suites and arena advertising, and cash from that TIF district (i.e., any increased property taxes collected in the area right around the arena). The university, meanwhile, would collect almost all other revenues from the arena. With the TIF revenue falling short, the city now needs to come up with another way to pay off its share of the bonds (about $13 million a year) plus operating costs, or else let the place go bankrupt.

The good news is that this is mostly just a bookkeeping problem: The city vastly overestimated its future TIF revenue, so now needs to dip into one of its other pockets if it wants to keep up with its arena bond payments. The bad news is that this was going to be city money either way — since even according to the city’s own figures the TIF district was just cannibalizing property taxes that otherwise would have been paid elsewhere in the city, taxpayers were going to be on the hook for more than $200 million worth of bonds regardless. So now it’s just a question of how else to pay off the debt.

Wow, what a surprise. You mean the massive private investment and revitalization didn't materialize around a publicly funded stadium? That must be the first time that didn't happen.

What a scam public stadiums are. If the government wants to build a stadium because they decide it's in the public good and taxpayers support it, whatever, but constantly justifying it/financing it with the assured adjacent development that everyone knows won't happen is just such a blatant sham.
(12-07-2016 03:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, what a surprise. You mean the massive private investment and revitalization didn't materialize around a publicly funded stadium? That must be the first time that didn't happen.

What a scam public stadiums are. If the government wants to build a stadium because they decide it's in the public good and taxpayers support it, whatever, but constantly justifying it/financing it with the assured adjacent development that everyone knows won't happen is just such a blatant sham.

Agree completely.... While I think the YUM Center has helped revitalize downtown Louisville for the most part, very rarely does Arena help the local economy.
FLossY Out...04-wine
The LG&E station that was on the site was very dated & was going to have to be dealt with soon. The cost was either going to show up on our electric bills or here with the Yum Center. The arena has at least brought in big concerts & helped the area hotels or else people would have to have gone to Cincinnati or further for them.

The wise move would have been to let Cesar's build their casino there & paid for the entire project themselves but that would have required allowing gambling beyond horse racing in the state. The arena could have been built at the secondary downtown location or U of L could have built an on campus arena. These options however wouldn't have brought the NCAA tournament to Louisville so that Kentucky could play here.
Another slight clarification....

The bonds are carried by the Louisville Arena Authority, which is an independent state entity created to build and finance the arena. The City of Louisville's credit rating is not at risk, nor is the State of Kentucky's.
If I'm not mistaken, I don't believe that the 4th Street Live TIF is a part of the arena TIF. I would think that it would be safe to assume that business picks up there when the Yum Center is in use. This additional revenue I don't believe is included in these financial reports.
Should be a gambling boat near the Yum with slots at Churchill Downs and a Sports Book in Louisville. That's my 2 cents.

It'll all get worked out.
the Louisville community has always had to compromise on projects that always add millions of extra dollars to the end cost. the latest one is the Bridges project where with the East end bridge due to open next week on I-265 to finish the loop had millions of dollars added to dig a tunnel under highway 42 and a false historic home location that was a compromise to appease a few wealthy folks that didnt want tbe bridge for 40 years there. I wont even go into the political stonewalling adding millions of dollars to a now 10 year delay on the new VA Hospital.
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