I saw this on the FBSSCHEDULE twiltter feed. "2 bowls, on a rotating basis, each year to host the four conference champions not in NY6 bowls. Temple-WKU and SDSU-App State. Fun"
It would have to happen in the next bowl renewal which will be three years away. I think this would be ideal to have one on NYE and NYD on OTA network. Base it on highest rated AP G5 teams 1 vs 2 and 3 vs 4.
Las Vegas & Boca Bowls would be great locations and places to start. 30K stadiums and national attention for these teams.
#1 Temple vs #2 SDSU in Boca NYD
#3 App State vs #4 WKU in Vegas NYE
Only problem, I doubt the AAC or MWC would be willing to commit the champs.
(12-05-2016 08:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this on the FBSSCHEDULE twiltter feed. "2 bowls, on a rotating basis, each year to host the four conference champions not in NY6 bowls. Temple-WKU and SDSU-App State. Fun"
It would have to happen in the next bowl renewal which will be three years away. I think this would be ideal to have one on NYE and NYD on OTA network. Base it on highest rated AP G5 teams 1 vs 2 and 3 vs 4.
Las Vegas & Boca Bowls would be great locations and places to start. 30K stadiums and national attention for these teams.
#1 Temple vs #2 SDSU in Boca NYD
#3 App State vs #4 WKU in Vegas NYE
Only problem, I doubt the AAC or MWC would be willing to commit the champs.
In previous versions of this proposal I have seen, I have not seen the idea of having them alongside the NY6.
On the one hand, getting both of them slotted in alongside the NY6 might be hard ... and on the other hand, It might need to have more of a status distinction between a #2 v #3 bowl and a #4 v #5 bowl to get the AAC and MWC on board.
The #2 v #3 Go5 bowl scheduled alongside the NY6, and the #4 v #5 bowl in the week between Christmas and New Year's, might give the invidious distinction between the two bowls to get the AAC and MWC on board.
(12-05-2016 08:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this on the FBSSCHEDULE twiltter feed. "2 bowls, on a rotating basis, each year to host the four conference champions not in NY6 bowls. Temple-WKU and SDSU-App State. Fun"
It would have to happen in the next bowl renewal which will be three years away. I think this would be ideal to have one on NYE and NYD on OTA network. Base it on highest rated AP G5 teams 1 vs 2 and 3 vs 4.
Las Vegas & Boca Bowls would be great locations and places to start. 30K stadiums and national attention for these teams.
#1 Temple vs #2 SDSU in Boca NYD
#3 App State vs #4 WKU in Vegas NYE
Only problem, I doubt the AAC or MWC would be willing to commit the champs.
I'd do a doubleheader on Christmas Day, when there's no other bowls to compete for attention or viewers. Possibly create/move games to have them in the same city, like Orlando (one at Citrus Bowl, one at UCF's stadium).
Another thought: Pair off a mid-table representative of each of the P5 conferences with the regionally appropriate G5 conference champion. Goose the kitty a bit to make the matchups more appealing. Say, Sun Belt-SEC, AAC-ACC, CUSA-Big 12, MAC-Big 10 and PAC-MWC, with the ability to swap teams if it makes sense (like if CUSA's champ is ODU or Charlotte, or the Sun Belt's is Texas State).
I like the idea of matching up the 4 champs that aren't in the NY6, but i would stay away from NYE/NYD, as they will just got swamped by the coverage of the NY6 bowls.
I'd pick a day between Christmas and New Year's, maybe the 28th, when there aren't other big bowls, and play them that day.
(12-05-2016 09:41 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ]Another thought: Pair off a mid-table representative of each of the P5 conferences with the regionally appropriate G5 conference champion.
But you can't get a P5 conference to agree to pair off when the best Go5 champ goes to an Access Bowl ... because just when a particular conference champion is the most appealing to play is exactly when a substitute would have to be found.
Even without that, it'd be hard to get
all five P5 conferences on board with that, while the Go5 2v3, 4v5 bowl approach doesn't need any cooperation from the P5 at all.
The cherry picking problem part of what leads toward the #2 v #3, #4 v #5 Go5 bowl solution in the first place.
Better solution: A 12-team playoff that includes all champs for a true 'March Madness' in December.
(12-05-2016 08:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this on the FBSSCHEDULE twiltter feed. "2 bowls, on a rotating basis, each year to host the four conference champions not in NY6 bowls. Temple-WKU and SDSU-App State. Fun"
It would have to happen in the next bowl renewal which will be three years away. I think this would be ideal to have one on NYE and NYD on OTA network. Base it on highest rated AP G5 teams 1 vs 2 and 3 vs 4.
Las Vegas & Boca Bowls would be great locations and places to start. 30K stadiums and national attention for these teams.
#1 Temple vs #2 SDSU in Boca NYD
#3 App State vs #4 WKU in Vegas NYE
Only problem, I doubt the AAC or MWC would be willing to commit the champs.
If the G5 conferences actually liked this idea, they could and would have matched Temple vs. SDSU this year, in Las Vegas.
Quote:If the G5 conferences actually liked this idea, they could and would have matched Temple vs. SDSU this year, in Las Vegas.
Yeah, but that wouldn't be a mini-playoff, though. I think having a mini-playoff for some more attention would have at least the potential to twist their arm a bit.
or here is an idea- the conf champ of EVERY conference in FBS gets a spot in the playoffs?
(12-05-2016 10:19 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]Better solution: A 12-team playoff that includes all champs for a true 'March Madness' in December.
OK, let's lock that in place as the long term fix ... and just do this in the interim.
(12-05-2016 10:19 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]If the G5 conferences actually liked this idea, they could and would have matched Temple vs. SDSU this year, in Las Vegas.
Though in a fully worked out version, the bowls that are hosting the game are higher status bowls as a result of participating in the system ... for instance, some of the CFP money is channeled through these games to increase the "payout" of the bowls and boost their status.
It's not
really to
just pair up 2v3 and 4v5 in the existing bowls that the Go5 already have, it's to provide higher status bowls for the four Go5 champions
not going to the Access Bowl to go to.
(12-05-2016 10:04 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2016 09:41 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ]Another thought: Pair off a mid-table representative of each of the P5 conferences with the regionally appropriate G5 conference champion.
But you can't get a P5 conference to agree to pair off when the best Go5 champ goes to an Access Bowl ... because just when a particular conference champion is the most appealing to play is exactly when a substitute would have to be found.
Even without that, it'd be hard to get all five P5 conferences on board with that, while the Go5 2v3, 4v5 bowl approach doesn't need any cooperation from the P5 at all.
The cherry picking problem part of what leads toward the #2 v #3, #4 v #5 Go5 bowl solution in the first place.
Thought about that as I was typing it, told myself to figure out a solution, then forgot.
Highest-ranked G5 nonchampion?
It may never happen for a multitude of reasons, but it's not completely out of the question either. The AAC has tie-ins with three P5 conferences. CUSA has one with the Big 10. The Mountain West has one with the Pac 12. Nothing for the MAC or Sun Belt, but I'd think that'll change eventually anyway, particularly the MAC.
At the same time, the G5 vs. G5 champion idea has its issues too. The AAC in particular probably would not agree to sending its champion to play another G5's champion.
(12-05-2016 11:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ]At the same time, the G5 vs. G5 champion idea has its issues too. The AAC in particular probably would not agree to sending its champion to play another G5's champion.
It would have to be a higher status bowl than the current Go5 bowl line-ups ... working out how to accomplish that is the key step in that approach.
(12-05-2016 10:19 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]Better solution: A 12-team playoff that includes all champs for a true 'March Madness' in December.
Cannot imagine that going over with the P5 schools. Guarantee spots for CUSA, the MAC and the Sun Belt but only two at-large bids?
At least with 16 you'd get pretty much all the top teams in.
Plus 128 FBS teams/16 spots = 1 of 8 FBS teams reach the playoff. That's still way better than basketball, where 351/68 = 1 of 5.16 teams reach the tournament.
(12-06-2016 12:09 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2016 10:19 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]Better solution: A 12-team playoff that includes all champs for a true 'March Madness' in December.
Cannot imagine that going over with the P5 schools. Guarantee spots for CUSA, the MAC and the Sun Belt but only two at-large bids?
More likely eight with all P5 champs and the highest ranked Go5 champion, and two at-large selections.
Certainly that is more likely to be the next step from here, and the 2v3, 4v5 bowl system would still have a role to play.
I don't think the AAC would be interested in this. Now, if you want to talk about creating a series of G5 Champions bowls with high payouts that could attract mid tier opponents from power conferences, I think the AAC would be very interested. It could happen if the G5 redirected some of thier CFP money into a fund for creating these bowls in 3 years when the bowls all renegotiate thier tie ins.
Quote:Now, if you want to talk about creating a series of G5 Champions bowls with high payouts that could attract mid tier opponents from power conferences, I think the AAC would be very interested.
Yeah, but it wouldn't be a "G5" shindig, bringing in P5 6-6/7-5 teams with big names.
I always thought going the NCAA Basketball route with multiple tourneys would be a good option. There, aside from the Top 8/12 National Champ Tourney were THE Top G5 could/would go to, you could have a glorified NIT with the Top 8 of the remaining teams... then, of the rest, have 4 Top G5s seeded against 4 6-6/7-5 P5s to duke it out. Sure, you'd miss out on the Top 1 or 2, or once in a while possibly 3rd best G5 going to the other two Primo ones ... but with tourneys, people get excited. Seeing an NC-State face off against Toledo, Temple face off against Utah, W. Kentucky face off against South Carolina, etc -- would be fun.
(12-06-2016 02:03 AM)toddjnsn Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Now, if you want to talk about creating a series of G5 Champions bowls with high payouts that could attract mid tier opponents from power conferences, I think the AAC would be very interested.
Yeah, but it wouldn't be a "G5" shindig, bringing in P5 6-6/7-5 teams with big names.
I always thought going the NCAA Basketball route with multiple tourneys would be a good option. There, aside from the Top 8/12 National Champ Tourney were THE Top G5 could/would go to, you could have a glorified NIT with the Top 8 of the remaining teams... then, of the rest, have 4 Top G5s seeded against 4 6-6/7-5 P5s to duke it out. Sure, you'd miss out on the Top 1 or 2, or once in a while possibly 3rd best G5 going to the other two Primo ones ... but with tourneys, people get excited. Seeing an NC-State face off against Toledo, Temple face off against Utah, W. Kentucky face off against South Carolina, etc -- would be fun.
What's the special attraction to a G5 shindig? The goal should be to create a "major bowl" for your champion. We play G5s all year long. Do something different for that one special bowl the champion goes to. It needs to be a Music City/Liberty Bowl level opponent. That means it needs a payout like those bowls to attract that type of P5 opponent.
Quote:What's the special attraction to a G5 shindig?
I just was saying it won't be a series of G5 Champions bowls when you also throw P5s in there... it'd instead be a G5 vs P5 bowl setup. Which would be good getting the high-end G5s vs the low-end-but-bigger-name P5s.
(12-06-2016 01:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the AAC would be interested in this. Now, if you want to talk about creating a series of G5 Champions bowls with high payouts that could attract mid tier opponents from power conferences, I think the AAC would be very interested.
The question is not whether the AAC would be interested in sending its champion to a bowl with a mid-tier P5 school if it does not get into the Access Bowl ...
... the question is whether the P5 would be willing to commit to sending four mid-tier schools to play the Go5 champions that do not make the Access Bowl.
The idea of handing some of the CFP money
back to the P5 to grease the wheels doesn't seem viable. So what else would be available to ensure that the P5 will make a binding commitment?
(12-05-2016 10:19 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]Better solution: A 12-team playoff that includes all champs for a true 'March Madness' in December.
What you ignore is that the first Thursday/Friday of March Madness has so many games people can bail on blowouts and cherry pick the games that get close.
Nobody wants to waste a playoff game on, and no one will sit through, a bunch of matchups that can turn into the football equivalent of Oregon beating Holy Cross 91-52 just on the off chance it will be one of the "Cinderella"" games that become compelling.