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Has Coast Guard Academy ever considered moving up from D-III?
Coast Guard Academy has less than 900 students a fifth the size of The other academies D3 is the perfect place for them
(11-21-2016 09:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Has Coast Guard Academy ever considered moving up from D-III?

Did DavidSt log in under C2's name? 07-coffee3
(11-21-2016 10:39 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2016 09:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Has Coast Guard Academy ever considered moving up from D-III?

Did DavidSt log in under C2's name? 07-coffee3

AAC material, Wedge. Just roll with it 04-rock
(11-21-2016 10:39 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2016 09:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Has Coast Guard Academy ever considered moving up from D-III?

Did DavidSt log in under C2's name? 07-coffee3

They're the only academy not in D-I, why not? It's not like the others having a few thousand more means much in athletics, Army has never been to the Dance for example. Even FCS would make some sense.
And lose their rivalry with the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy?
The Merchant Marines are so forgettable I didn't even know they had an academy. What's next, is the Citadel a real US military academy too?
Coast Guard Academy was rivals to ARMY and NAVY back in the early 1900s as they were considered a major school at the time. This was long before the Air force Academy came about. I think Merchant Marines, New Mexico Military, Georgia Military and some others on both cpasts were up there competing with the big boys. Some of the military academies are now in Junior college level playing football there.
(11-22-2016 01:00 AM)_C2_ Wrote: [ -> ]The Merchant Marines are so forgettable I didn't even know they had an academy. What's next, is the Citadel a real US military academy too?
Nope, just the five.

It started in 1943 and went to permanent status in 1956, so it's not really all THAT recent. Indeed, it's the AF Academy that is the youngest of the five.
Holy **** I just looked this all up. USCGA isn't even in the same conference as USMMA. All the other marine academies (SUNY, MASS, Maine) are all in different conferences from each other.
(11-21-2016 10:39 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2016 09:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Has Coast Guard Academy ever considered moving up from D-III?

Did DavidSt log in under C2's name? 07-coffee3

Beat me to it.
(11-21-2016 10:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]Coast Guard Academy has less than 900 students a fifth the size of The other academies D3 is the perfect place for them

Interesting. Only thing I knew was that they had a school.
Why is the Coast Guard considered a branch of the military?

What I mean is ... if some country attacked one of our coastlines, it would be the Navy sending destroyer ships to go fight the attackers.



So ...... see original question.


NOTE: I'm not questioning the overall existence of the CG, or that they do a great service. I'm saying why is it considered part of the military?? Why isn't it something more like the national forest service, etc.
(11-22-2016 11:39 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Why is the Coast Guard considered a branch of the military?

What I mean is ... if some country attacked one of our coastlines, it would be the Navy sending destroyer ships to go fight the attackers.



So ...... see original question.


NOTE: I'm not questioning the overall existence of the CG, or that they do a great service. I'm saying why is it considered part of the military?? Why isn't it something more like the national forest service, etc.

The Coast Guard has deployed during major engagements as well as peacetime trips.
(11-22-2016 11:51 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]The Coast Guard has deployed during major engagements as well as peacetime trips.

So CG ships have weapons on them and they try to destroy enemy ships?

If yes, fine.
If no, then why is the CG considered part of the military. Why not some other national agency, that isn't the military?
(11-22-2016 12:01 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-22-2016 11:51 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]The Coast Guard has deployed during major engagements as well as peacetime trips.

So CG ships have weapons on them and they try to destroy enemy ships?

If yes, fine.
If no, then why is the CG considered part of the military. Why not some other national agency, that isn't the military?

They are homeland security but personnel can be transferred to the Navy during a war.
(11-22-2016 12:16 PM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]They are homeland security but personnel can be transferred to the Navy during a war.

......... so again, why are they part of the military?? Why isn't the role just part of the Navy?

Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force all have set roles, in the military.


I'm just curious. I was hoping someone could give a good answer justifying why it makes sense to have the CG be a military branch.
(11-22-2016 12:20 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-22-2016 12:16 PM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]They are homeland security but personnel can be transferred to the Navy during a war.

......... so again, why are they part of the military?? Why isn't the role just part of the Navy?

Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force all have set roles, in the military.


I'm just curious. I was hoping someone could give a good answer justifying why it makes sense to have the CG be a military branch.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard

Read some history :)

The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces[14] and one of the country's seven uniformed services. The Coast Guard is a maritime, military, multi-mission service unique among the U.S. military branches for having a maritime law enforcement mission (with jurisdiction in both domestic and international waters) and a federal regulatory agency mission as part of its mission set. It operates under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security during peacetime, and can be transferred to the U.S. Department of the Navy by the U.S. President at any time, or by the U.S. Congress during times of war. This has happened twice, in 1917, during World War I, and in 1941, during World War II.[8][10]

Created by Congress on 4 August 1790 at the request of Alexander Hamilton as the Revenue Marine, it is the oldest continuous seagoing service of the United States.[Note 2] As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton headed the Revenue Marine, whose original purpose was as the collector of customs duties in the nation's seaports. By the 1860s, the service was known as the U.S. Revenue Cutter Service and the term Revenue Marine gradually fell into disuse.[15]

The modern Coast Guard was formed by a merger of the Revenue Cutter Service and the U.S. Life-Saving Service on 28 January 1915, under the U.S. Department of the Treasury. As one of the country's five armed services, the Coast Guard has been involved in every U.S. war from 1790 to the Iraq War[16] and the War in Afghanistan.[17] As of 2012 the Coast Guard had approximately 42,000 men and women on active duty, 7,900 reservists, 32,000 auxiliarists, and 8,700 full-time civilian employees.[4] In terms of size, the U.S. Coast Guard by itself is the world's 12th largest naval force.[18]

The Coast Guard's legal authority differs from the other four armed services, as it operates simultaneously under Title 10 of the U.S. Code and its other organic authorities, such as Titles 6, 14, 19, 33, and 46. Because of its legal authority, the Coast Guard can conduct military operations under the U.S. Department of Defense or directly for the President in accordance with Title 14 USC 1–3. The Coast Guard's enduring roles are maritime safety, security, and stewardship. To carry out those roles, it has 11 statutory missions as defined in 6 U.S.C. § 468, which include enforcing U.S. law in the world's largest exclusive economic zone of 3.4 million square miles (8,800,000 km2).[19] The Coast Guard's motto is the Latin phrase, Semper Paratus (English: Always ready).
No, that doesn't answer the question. The question was not "Is the CG a military branch". I'm asking why. And your post was just a long version of "well, the reason why the CG is a military branch ... is because they are a military branch."

I'm guessing there is no satisfying answer.
(11-22-2016 12:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]No, that doesn't answer the question. The question was not "Is the CG a military branch". I'm asking why. And your post was just a long version of "well, the reason why the CG is a military branch ... is because they are a military branch."

I'm guessing there is no satisfying answer.

Because most (maybe all, for all I know) of the equipment the Coast Guard uses is military grade. And its people are trained in how to use their equipment.

During a war, the armed forces need to expand. The Coast Guard's equipment and personnel are an easy way to supplement the Navy's capabilities, and the only only cost is that the USA is no longer enforcing fishing laws and stuff like that.
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