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I do want to thank Liberty for helping put into perspective what we have in our current administration. Are they the best? No, but they are far from the worst. If JMU had done this.... oh man. I would rather root for Ticks than any school that employs Ian McCaw.

As far as what Yeso mentioned with the whole forgiveness thing, I have this to say: I used to teach Sunday school so I get the whole forgiveness thing. But the first part of that, is that the forgiven party needs to admit blame and say they are sorry. To the best of my knowledge, McCaw has not done that and has appeared to shift any and all blame away from him at every step of the way. Even if we were talking about farting in an elevator (and not the continued raping of students and systematic cover up), that would be unacceptable. Shouldn't there be some sort of punishment by the NCAA in this case? This whole situation tilts me so much.

(11-29-2016 09:22 AM)wunderdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-29-2016 08:11 AM)Rockville Duke Wrote: [ -> ]That's exactly how they are spinning it on the liberty boards. Give him a second chance. Many are just straight out saying good hire and speculating when art briles becomes the fb coach.

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What have you been drinking? Don't see much positive spin at all on our boards. Seems that the majority of us aren't pleased with the hire, much in the same way we aren't pleased with the actions of the chancellor.

Thanks for doing the research before accusing me of being impaired. I just re-looked at one board and found this:

By Class of 20Something - November 28th, 2016, 3:51 pm
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Liberty must think he didn't have a close hand in the allegations at Baylor. It is a huge splash for sure. Being only two years removed from AD of the year is promising for LU Athletics.


By ballcoach15 - November 28th, 2016, 4:11 pm
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Excellent choice.

Not surprising, in that LU and Baylor have had some dealings recently. We play Baylor in football next season. Played them in softball last season. Softball staff visited Baylor prior to design of new stadium, to get ideas.

By TH Spangler - November 28th, 2016, 5:42 pm
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Hope he's deeply involved with our Williams Stadium expansion. McLane is the pretties 45,000 seat stadium in the country. Made for TV.

By Equinox - November 28th, 2016, 7:51 pm
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Next seasons football game against Baylor is gonna be real interesting commentary. I guess Art Briles is waiting for Jr. to call him for a “consultant” positon to help our passing game. #FBS or bust!!!

By prototype - November 29th, 2016, 1:36 am
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No wonder Liberty wanted to take their name off this site. It's not Jerry, Jr or this new AD that is giving Liberty a bad name - it's all of you judgmental hypocrites. Many on the board act like you know these guys personally and clearly know every situation in their lives to defame, slander and ridicule them, when most have never even had a single conversation with either. I get it - you don't agree with everything Jerry, Jr. does... You all have been personally burned by Jerry, Jr. and Mr. McCaw... Truth is - you have chosen to jump on board with what the Media is telling you, what you have heard happened, or maybe had some situation where Jerry fired you and it feels better to believe that it was personal and not just a business decision.

…(edited long rant with essentially same msg)

Jerry, Jr. – You are doing a great job. I know your job stinks many days, but I will continue to pray that God will guide you in all your decisions. And welcome aboard Mr. McCaw – I look forward to seeing how you can build upon the great foundation that Jeff Barber has left you. Hopefully you can help pull our fan base together and help us reach that goal that Jerry, Sr. set many years ago.

ballcoach15 - November 29th, 2016, 9:13 am
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If Jerry jr. hired Nick Saban away from Alabama to come to LU, some people would complain. In my opinion within the past 16 years that I have been following LU closely, only one bad hire has been made, and that was in Men's basketball .

R i - November 29th, 2016, 9:57 am
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Ian has more experience than anyone alive , about how to navigate and handle allegations against college athletes at a Christian University. If we believe he is a man of character, then we have to agree that he has likely learned from his mistakes, and he is the perfect fit for our University. Considering we have a conduct policy and have a Christian Mission, and want to be a top tier athletic program in the country.

Cautiously optimistic that Mr McCaw will lead this athletics program to a great place, while not repeating the same mistakes he made at Baylor.

Purple Haize - November 29th, 2016, 10:09 am
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He raised a pant ton of money.

A Sea of Red - November 29th, 2016, 11:57 am
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The Heat: Maybe McCaw is the man for the job


The majority of posts are anti-McCaw and many are amazingly anti-JFJr. I posted this last night after the news came out and the anti-McCaw crowd had not come to the front yet.

I will rescind my use of the word "many" if that offends you and replace with "some" or "a vocal minority". I'm sorry to offend you, but that is no reason to throw unneeded disparagement around. I think we can all agree that this hire was not the best choice. However, there are definitely some Liberty fans who support and even applaud the hire.

Trust me, God isn't guiding Jerry Falwell, Jr's decisions. That much is certain.

(11-29-2016 01:10 PM)Rockville Duke Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-29-2016 09:22 AM)wunderdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-29-2016 08:11 AM)Rockville Duke Wrote: [ -> ]That's exactly how they are spinning it on the liberty boards. Give him a second chance. Many are just straight out saying good hire and speculating when art briles becomes the fb coach.

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What have you been drinking? Don't see much positive spin at all on our boards. Seems that the majority of us aren't pleased with the hire, much in the same way we aren't pleased with the actions of the chancellor.

Thanks for doing the research before accusing me of being impaired.


The majority of posts are anti-McCaw and many are amazingly anti-JFJr. I posted this last night after the news came out and the anti-McCaw crowd had not come to the front yet.

I will rescind my use of the word "many" if that offends you and replace with "some" or "a vocal minority". I'm sorry to offend you, but that is no reason to throw unneeded disparagement around. I think we can all agree that this hire was not the best choice. However, there are definitely some Liberty fans who support and even applaud the hire.

Sorry...that was tongue in cheek- nothing wrong with enjoying a strong drink, anyway! Yes, there is a vocal minority, but as you pointed out, the majority do not approve. The original post certainly made it sound like we, as a group, were pleased. I commented because as much as some hate Liberty, we don't need extra things to be hated for and more importantly, many LU fans are strong believers in representing our faith in the best possible way. I'm sure in your review you have seen these sentiments shared.

Still can't believe this hire ever happened. Glad to see there is strong disapproval from students and alumni: http://www.espn.com/espnw/culture/featur...mccaw-hire

Really wish other ADs would stonewall him and refuse to schedule Liberty in any sport.

Has any information come out on why the previous AD resigned? I don't remember seeing it anywhere here, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't for looking at pictures of women's knees.

(12-14-2016 12:20 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote: [ -> ]Has any information come out on why the previous AD resigned? I don't remember seeing it anywhere here, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't for looking at pictures of women's knees.

I forget what article I saw it on, but essentially Falwell Jr forced him out but they called it a resignation. He wanted to make room to hire the former Baylor AD.

(12-14-2016 12:25 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2016 12:20 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote: [ -> ]Has any information come out on why the previous AD resigned? I don't remember seeing it anywhere here, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't for looking at pictures of women's knees.

I forget what article I saw it on, but essentially Falwell Jr forced him out but they called it a resignation. He wanted to make room to hire the former Baylor AD.

The manner in which Barber departed reeks of something other than good. There have been many posts on the LU board asking what is the low down. No news. No rumors, nothing, nil, zip at this point. Gotta think there is a skeleton in the closet.

As a former LU strong fan advocate, who is now a casual fan (due to the many reasons stated within this post), LU appears as the little rich kid who nobody wants to play with. I thought JFJr. was going to be much better and different than JFSr. Jr. was different, he's only worse. With all of Sr.'s blunders and buffoon actions, one can bet he would have acquired FBS membership by now.

Most LU fans have resigned themselves to believe that they will be FCS for a LONG time. I'm pretty disgusted with LU admins. Maybe as much as when JMU fans were irked with their admin asinine actions, or non actions. It's very different, but also very similar. But at least JMU has an upside.

(12-14-2016 06:53 PM)NewTimes Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2016 12:25 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2016 12:20 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote: [ -> ]Has any information come out on why the previous AD resigned? I don't remember seeing it anywhere here, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't for looking at pictures of women's knees.

I forget what article I saw it on, but essentially Falwell Jr forced him out but they called it a resignation. He wanted to make room to hire the former Baylor AD.

The manner in which Barber departed reeks of something other than good. There have been many posts on the LU board asking what is the low down. No news. No rumors, nothing, nil, zip at this point. Gotta think there is a skeleton in the closet.

As a former LU strong fan advocate, who is now a casual fan (due to the many reasons stated within this post), LU appears as the little rich kid who nobody wants to play with. I thought JFJr. was going to be much better and different than JFSr. Jr. was different, he's only worse. With all of Sr.'s blunders and buffoon actions, one can bet he would have acquired FBS membership by now.

Most LU fans have resigned themselves to believe that they will be FCS for a LONG time. I'm pretty disgusted with LU admins. Maybe as much as when JMU fans were irked with their admin asinine actions, or non actions. It's very different, but also very similar. But at least JMU has an upside.

New AD? Might LU be going FBS independent.

(12-16-2016 06:26 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2016 06:53 PM)NewTimes Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2016 12:25 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2016 12:20 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote: [ -> ]Has any information come out on why the previous AD resigned? I don't remember seeing it anywhere here, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't for looking at pictures of women's knees.

I forget what article I saw it on, but essentially Falwell Jr forced him out but they called it a resignation. He wanted to make room to hire the former Baylor AD.

The manner in which Barber departed reeks of something other than good. There have been many posts on the LU board asking what is the low down. No news. No rumors, nothing, nil, zip at this point. Gotta think there is a skeleton in the closet.

As a former LU strong fan advocate, who is now a casual fan (due to the many reasons stated within this post), LU appears as the little rich kid who nobody wants to play with. I thought JFJr. was going to be much better and different than JFSr. Jr. was different, he's only worse. With all of Sr.'s blunders and buffoon actions, one can bet he would have acquired FBS membership by now.

Most LU fans have resigned themselves to believe that they will be FCS for a LONG time. I'm pretty disgusted with LU admins. Maybe as much as when JMU fans were irked with their admin asinine actions, or non actions. It's very different, but also very similar. But at least JMU has an upside.

New AD? Might LU be going FBS independent.

They changed the rule about 8-10 years ago that requires that schools moving to FBS be invited by an established conference. I'm sure that if that were possible, Liberty would have done it already.

http://deadspin.com/lawsuit-text-message...1791947070

I haven't really been following the story but a few more tidbits of McCaw in this story. A player is arrested for assaulting and threatening the life of another student, McCaw texts "If would be great if they kept it quite!" in referencing the Waco PD. He blames a rape victim for hanging out with "bad guys."

(02-03-2017 09:59 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote: [ -> ]http://deadspin.com/lawsuit-text-message...1791947070

I haven't really been following the story but a few more tidbits of McCaw in this story. A player is arrested for assaulting and threatening the life of another student, McCaw texts "If would be great if they kept it quite!" in referencing the Waco PD. He blames a rape victim for hanging out with "bad guys."

Liberty hired him to get them to FBS. Ironically, that hire will make it even harder for them to move up....no one wanted to touch Liberty with a 10 ft pole before McCaw. Now, they will be even more vilified.

Falwell Jr. has been assigned to the Higher Ed task force and his agenda involves removing the regulations currently facing higher education, including the inconvenient expectations that universities have to do anything about sexual assaults and rapes on their campuses.

"Evangelical Christian leader Jerry Falwell Jr. will head an education reform task force under U.S. President Donald Trump and is keen to cut university regulations, including rules on dealing with campus sexual assault, the school he heads said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tr...SKBN15G5F4

(02-03-2017 10:36 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]Falwell Jr. has been assigned to the Higher Ed task force and his agenda involves removing the regulations currently facing higher education, including the inconvenient expectations that universities have to do anything about sexual assaults and rapes on their campuses.

"Evangelical Christian leader Jerry Falwell Jr. will head an education reform task force under U.S. President Donald Trump and is keen to cut university regulations, including rules on dealing with campus sexual assault, the school he heads said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tr...SKBN15G5F4

I think it's possible to believe Falwell is completely the wrong person for that job (and for just about any job in any admin short of leading prayer at a meal), and still believe that the way you've described the issues people are having with the way universities are now treating allegations of sexual assault involving students is incorrect, and that by mentioning those issues in the same breath as these very real allegations of rape and assault, those concerns have been unfairly maligned.

(02-03-2017 11:13 AM)QuinDuke Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2017 10:36 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]Falwell Jr. has been assigned to the Higher Ed task force and his agenda involves removing the regulations currently facing higher education, including the inconvenient expectations that universities have to do anything about sexual assaults and rapes on their campuses.

"Evangelical Christian leader Jerry Falwell Jr. will head an education reform task force under U.S. President Donald Trump and is keen to cut university regulations, including rules on dealing with campus sexual assault, the school he heads said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tr...SKBN15G5F4

I think it's possible to believe Falwell is completely the wrong person for that job (and for just about any job in any admin short of leading prayer at a meal), and still believe that the way you've described the issues people are having with the way universities are now treating allegations of sexual assault involving students is incorrect, and that by mentioning those issues in the same breath as these very real allegations of rape and assault, those concerns have been unfairly maligned.

^This.

Granted my knowledge on this issue is limited, but from what I have read, it seems that students don't really have any due process rights when it comes to the way some schools have treated alleged sexual assault and rape perpetrators.

(02-03-2017 11:13 AM)QuinDuke Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2017 10:36 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]Falwell Jr. has been assigned to the Higher Ed task force and his agenda involves removing the regulations currently facing higher education, including the inconvenient expectations that universities have to do anything about sexual assaults and rapes on their campuses.

"Evangelical Christian leader Jerry Falwell Jr. will head an education reform task force under U.S. President Donald Trump and is keen to cut university regulations, including rules on dealing with campus sexual assault, the school he heads said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tr...SKBN15G5F4

I think it's possible to believe Falwell is completely the wrong person for that job (and for just about any job in any admin short of leading prayer at a meal), and still believe that the way you've described the issues people are having with the way universities are now treating allegations of sexual assault involving students is incorrect, and that by mentioning those issues in the same breath as these very real allegations of rape and assault, those concerns have been unfairly maligned.

Well said. But the hubris and bulls*t of the McCaw hire are surreal. How LU continues to defend that move given what they claim their core values and mission are is unfathomable. And in turn, placing the guy who made that hire and leads an academically suspect, non-traditional school in charge of the nation's higher ed policy, reporting to a potential boss that admittedly knows nothing about higher ed, is absolute nuttiness. I get it you want a conservative member of the higher ed establishment, which can be tough to come by, but there were loads of better choices out there.

Nothing makes any sense. So, it is now the norm of not making any sense that makes sense.

Sad, but true.

(02-03-2017 04:07 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2017 11:13 AM)QuinDuke Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2017 10:36 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]Falwell Jr. has been assigned to the Higher Ed task force and his agenda involves removing the regulations currently facing higher education, including the inconvenient expectations that universities have to do anything about sexual assaults and rapes on their campuses.

"Evangelical Christian leader Jerry Falwell Jr. will head an education reform task force under U.S. President Donald Trump and is keen to cut university regulations, including rules on dealing with campus sexual assault, the school he heads said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tr...SKBN15G5F4

I think it's possible to believe Falwell is completely the wrong person for that job (and for just about any job in any admin short of leading prayer at a meal), and still believe that the way you've described the issues people are having with the way universities are now treating allegations of sexual assault involving students is incorrect, and that by mentioning those issues in the same breath as these very real allegations of rape and assault, those concerns have been unfairly maligned.

Well said. But the hubris and bulls*t of the McCaw hire are surreal. How LU continues to defend that move given what they claim their core values and mission are is unfathomable. And in turn, placing the guy who made that hire and leads an academically suspect, non-traditional school in charge of the nation's higher ed policy, reporting to a potential boss that admittedly knows nothing about higher ed, is absolute nuttiness. I get it you want a conservative member of the higher ed establishment, which can be tough to come by, but there were loads of better choices out there.

Well, maybe not me, exactly, but Falwell, Jr. was an early and vocal supporter of the president. This is his reward for that support.

My point isn't really whether he's qualified, but rather that conflating the administrative panels and processes schools are now using to adjudicate these allegations, which provide little to no due process to the accused, with the Baylor claims, isn't accurate or fair.

Quinduke, I agree with the importance of due process rights of the accused. However, given who is in charge and his history as a leader in higher Ed, I'm not holding out hope that the intention of ending regulations is to look out for due process rights.