(10-22-2016 01:52 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I would love to give Jurich credit I don't think he knew that a spot in the ACC was about to open up. At least not with enough certainty to pass on the B12. WV had the better football tradition & were willing to make the jump immediately. As for Louisville making WV academics look first class, that's really stretching it since Louisville was (is?) actually ranked higher than WV in the USNWR rankings at the time.
The word is that Jurich found out about Maryland leaving the ACC from Yahoo's Pat Forde. Forde worked at the Courier Journal here in Louisville. UCONN was said to be the front runner by ESPN but FSU & Clemson wanted a better football add. Cincinnati actually was second when the ACC voted. Louisville was disappointed when the B12 passed on our invite but ultimately things worked out for the best.
The main hurdle that WV would have to clear for ACC membership is their admittance standards. The Carolina & Virginia schools feel that their lower standards would be to big of a disadvantage for them.
Lenville, wake up and smell the coffee! Who owns 100% of the ACC? They knew. At least they knew enough at that time to have back ups already planned should a defection happen. But I think they knew already. They probably had back door conversations with Chapel Hill and the Football First schools and realized that Louisville was the only one without past history that could appease both parties in the conference that the mouse had a 100% stake in.
And btw when your Cards made it into the ACC, your academics were a wash with West Virginia. In fact the Eers may have had more in research revenue.
They probably knew that a backup plan existed but you don't pass up a sure thing for a possibility. ESPN was also pushing UCONN if you remember & the B12 was perceived to be the more stable conference at the time. Why do you think that the SEC partnered with the B12 on the Sugar Bowl?
Correct on the academics. However someone else said that Louisville academics made WV's "look first class". That is inaccurate.
I'll eat something me crow here, I thought WVU's academics were better than they actually are. I did a quick look and forbes has WVU at 421 and Lousisville at 503.
I was just trying to point out that WVU had been turned away in the past because of academics and I felt at the time you might not think Louisville could get into the ACC because of academics with Pitt being the next highest at 212. I think Louisville did a good job at showing their athletics were more important and I wish the big 12 never passed on them though in retrospect.
(10-24-2016 12:48 PM)CyclonePower Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2016 01:52 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I would love to give Jurich credit I don't think he knew that a spot in the ACC was about to open up. At least not with enough certainty to pass on the B12. WV had the better football tradition & were willing to make the jump immediately. As for Louisville making WV academics look first class, that's really stretching it since Louisville was (is?) actually ranked higher than WV in the USNWR rankings at the time.
The word is that Jurich found out about Maryland leaving the ACC from Yahoo's Pat Forde. Forde worked at the Courier Journal here in Louisville. UCONN was said to be the front runner by ESPN but FSU & Clemson wanted a better football add. Cincinnati actually was second when the ACC voted. Louisville was disappointed when the B12 passed on our invite but ultimately things worked out for the best.
The main hurdle that WV would have to clear for ACC membership is their admittance standards. The Carolina & Virginia schools feel that their lower standards would be to big of a disadvantage for them.
Lenville, wake up and smell the coffee! Who owns 100% of the ACC? They knew. At least they knew enough at that time to have back ups already planned should a defection happen. But I think they knew already. They probably had back door conversations with Chapel Hill and the Football First schools and realized that Louisville was the only one without past history that could appease both parties in the conference that the mouse had a 100% stake in.
And btw when your Cards made it into the ACC, your academics were a wash with West Virginia. In fact the Eers may have had more in research revenue.
They probably knew that a backup plan existed but you don't pass up a sure thing for a possibility. ESPN was also pushing UCONN if you remember & the B12 was perceived to be the more stable conference at the time. Why do you think that the SEC partnered with the B12 on the Sugar Bowl?
Correct on the academics. However someone else said that Louisville academics made WV's "look first class". That is inaccurate.
I'll eat something me crow here, I thought WVU's academics were better than they actually are. I did a quick look and forbes has WVU at 421 and Lousisville at 503.
I was just trying to point out that WVU had been turned away in the past because of academics and I felt at the time you might not think Louisville could get into the ACC because of academics with Pitt being the next highest at 212. I think Louisville did a good job at showing their athletics were more important and I wish the big 12 never passed on them though in retrospect.
I have understood that West Virginia does have less than stellar academics. However, I believe they do that to help out in-state applicants. To me that seems to be something, if correct, shouldn't necessarily hurt them as much as it does.
(10-25-2016 12:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2016 12:48 PM)CyclonePower Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2016 01:52 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I would love to give Jurich credit I don't think he knew that a spot in the ACC was about to open up. At least not with enough certainty to pass on the B12. WV had the better football tradition & were willing to make the jump immediately. As for Louisville making WV academics look first class, that's really stretching it since Louisville was (is?) actually ranked higher than WV in the USNWR rankings at the time.
The word is that Jurich found out about Maryland leaving the ACC from Yahoo's Pat Forde. Forde worked at the Courier Journal here in Louisville. UCONN was said to be the front runner by ESPN but FSU & Clemson wanted a better football add. Cincinnati actually was second when the ACC voted. Louisville was disappointed when the B12 passed on our invite but ultimately things worked out for the best.
The main hurdle that WV would have to clear for ACC membership is their admittance standards. The Carolina & Virginia schools feel that their lower standards would be to big of a disadvantage for them.
Lenville, wake up and smell the coffee! Who owns 100% of the ACC? They knew. At least they knew enough at that time to have back ups already planned should a defection happen. But I think they knew already. They probably had back door conversations with Chapel Hill and the Football First schools and realized that Louisville was the only one without past history that could appease both parties in the conference that the mouse had a 100% stake in.
And btw when your Cards made it into the ACC, your academics were a wash with West Virginia. In fact the Eers may have had more in research revenue.
They probably knew that a backup plan existed but you don't pass up a sure thing for a possibility. ESPN was also pushing UCONN if you remember & the B12 was perceived to be the more stable conference at the time. Why do you think that the SEC partnered with the B12 on the Sugar Bowl?
Correct on the academics. However someone else said that Louisville academics made WV's "look first class". That is inaccurate.
I'll eat something me crow here, I thought WVU's academics were better than they actually are. I did a quick look and forbes has WVU at 421 and Lousisville at 503.
I was just trying to point out that WVU had been turned away in the past because of academics and I felt at the time you might not think Louisville could get into the ACC because of academics with Pitt being the next highest at 212. I think Louisville did a good job at showing their athletics were more important and I wish the big 12 never passed on them though in retrospect.
I have understood that West Virginia does have less than stellar academics. However, I believe they do that to help out in-state applicants. To me that seems to be something, if correct, shouldn't necessarily hurt them as much as it does.
Their mission to help the state is very similar to that of Mississippi State where many many programs are geared to improving the overall educational standing of the state. Both suffer in terms of research, and in lower admissions scores as a result. It isn't really fair, but it is what it is.
(10-25-2016 04:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2016 12:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2016 12:48 PM)CyclonePower Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2016 01:52 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]Lenville, wake up and smell the coffee! Who owns 100% of the ACC? They knew. At least they knew enough at that time to have back ups already planned should a defection happen. But I think they knew already. They probably had back door conversations with Chapel Hill and the Football First schools and realized that Louisville was the only one without past history that could appease both parties in the conference that the mouse had a 100% stake in.
And btw when your Cards made it into the ACC, your academics were a wash with West Virginia. In fact the Eers may have had more in research revenue.
They probably knew that a backup plan existed but you don't pass up a sure thing for a possibility. ESPN was also pushing UCONN if you remember & the B12 was perceived to be the more stable conference at the time. Why do you think that the SEC partnered with the B12 on the Sugar Bowl?
Correct on the academics. However someone else said that Louisville academics made WV's "look first class". That is inaccurate.
I'll eat something me crow here, I thought WVU's academics were better than they actually are. I did a quick look and forbes has WVU at 421 and Lousisville at 503.
I was just trying to point out that WVU had been turned away in the past because of academics and I felt at the time you might not think Louisville could get into the ACC because of academics with Pitt being the next highest at 212. I think Louisville did a good job at showing their athletics were more important and I wish the big 12 never passed on them though in retrospect.
I have understood that West Virginia does have less than stellar academics. However, I believe they do that to help out in-state applicants. To me that seems to be something, if correct, shouldn't necessarily hurt them as much as it does.
Their mission to help the state is very similar to that of Mississippi State where many many programs are geared to improving the overall educational standing of the state. Both suffer in terms of research, and in lower admissions scores as a result. It isn't really fair, but it is what it is.
That's the case with a lot of land grants. Iowa State was the very first Land grant and ISU's mission was the educate the farmers and normal folk of Iowa. Up until land grants started popping up only the rich could go to college.
One of the reason's Iowa State has one of the lowest tuition in the nation is because we try to remain with our roots of providing a good education for a low price. Sadly we had to give up on athletics to focus on academics for a long time in our history in order to get AAU and get some of the best colleges in the nation. Which makes us a bit different from their situations.
(10-24-2016 12:48 PM)CyclonePower Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2016 01:52 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I would love to give Jurich credit I don't think he knew that a spot in the ACC was about to open up. At least not with enough certainty to pass on the B12. WV had the better football tradition & were willing to make the jump immediately. As for Louisville making WV academics look first class, that's really stretching it since Louisville was (is?) actually ranked higher than WV in the USNWR rankings at the time.
The word is that Jurich found out about Maryland leaving the ACC from Yahoo's Pat Forde. Forde worked at the Courier Journal here in Louisville. UCONN was said to be the front runner by ESPN but FSU & Clemson wanted a better football add. Cincinnati actually was second when the ACC voted. Louisville was disappointed when the B12 passed on our invite but ultimately things worked out for the best.
The main hurdle that WV would have to clear for ACC membership is their admittance standards. The Carolina & Virginia schools feel that their lower standards would be to big of a disadvantage for them.
Lenville, wake up and smell the coffee! Who owns 100% of the ACC? They knew. At least they knew enough at that time to have back ups already planned should a defection happen. But I think they knew already. They probably had back door conversations with Chapel Hill and the Football First schools and realized that Louisville was the only one without past history that could appease both parties in the conference that the mouse had a 100% stake in.
And btw when your Cards made it into the ACC, your academics were a wash with West Virginia. In fact the Eers may have had more in research revenue.
They probably knew that a backup plan existed but you don't pass up a sure thing for a possibility. ESPN was also pushing UCONN if you remember & the B12 was perceived to be the more stable conference at the time. Why do you think that the SEC partnered with the B12 on the Sugar Bowl?
Correct on the academics. However someone else said that Louisville academics made WV's "look first class". That is inaccurate.
I'll eat something me crow here, I thought WVU's academics were better than they actually are. I did a quick look and forbes has WVU at 421 and Lousisville at 503.
I was just trying to point out that WVU had been turned away in the past because of academics and I felt at the time you might not think Louisville could get into the ACC because of academics with Pitt being the next highest at 212. I think Louisville did a good job at showing their athletics were more important and I wish the big 12 never passed on them though in retrospect.
We, Louisville fans, never even thought that the ACC was a possibility because of academics. The B12 was seen as our only possibility of the P5. At that time Louisville & WV were ranked within 10 spots of each other in the USNWR rankings so there nothing to brag about & no need for you to eat crow. Athletics without a doubt got Louisville into the ACC & the right situation/timing.
(10-26-2016 09:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2016 12:48 PM)CyclonePower Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2016 01:52 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2016 08:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I would love to give Jurich credit I don't think he knew that a spot in the ACC was about to open up. At least not with enough certainty to pass on the B12. WV had the better football tradition & were willing to make the jump immediately. As for Louisville making WV academics look first class, that's really stretching it since Louisville was (is?) actually ranked higher than WV in the USNWR rankings at the time.
The word is that Jurich found out about Maryland leaving the ACC from Yahoo's Pat Forde. Forde worked at the Courier Journal here in Louisville. UCONN was said to be the front runner by ESPN but FSU & Clemson wanted a better football add. Cincinnati actually was second when the ACC voted. Louisville was disappointed when the B12 passed on our invite but ultimately things worked out for the best.
The main hurdle that WV would have to clear for ACC membership is their admittance standards. The Carolina & Virginia schools feel that their lower standards would be to big of a disadvantage for them.
Lenville, wake up and smell the coffee! Who owns 100% of the ACC? They knew. At least they knew enough at that time to have back ups already planned should a defection happen. But I think they knew already. They probably had back door conversations with Chapel Hill and the Football First schools and realized that Louisville was the only one without past history that could appease both parties in the conference that the mouse had a 100% stake in.
And btw when your Cards made it into the ACC, your academics were a wash with West Virginia. In fact the Eers may have had more in research revenue.
They probably knew that a backup plan existed but you don't pass up a sure thing for a possibility. ESPN was also pushing UCONN if you remember & the B12 was perceived to be the more stable conference at the time. Why do you think that the SEC partnered with the B12 on the Sugar Bowl?
Correct on the academics. However someone else said that Louisville academics made WV's "look first class". That is inaccurate.
I'll eat something me crow here, I thought WVU's academics were better than they actually are. I did a quick look and forbes has WVU at 421 and Lousisville at 503.
I was just trying to point out that WVU had been turned away in the past because of academics and I felt at the time you might not think Louisville could get into the ACC because of academics with Pitt being the next highest at 212. I think Louisville did a good job at showing their athletics were more important and I wish the big 12 never passed on them though in retrospect.
We, Louisville fans, never even thought that the ACC was a possibility because of academics. The B12 was seen as our only possibility of the P5. At that time Louisville & WV were ranked within 10 spots of each other in the USNWR rankings so there nothing to brag about & no need for you to eat crow. Athletics without a doubt got Louisville into the ACC & the right situation/timing.
One thing I've admire and I'm sad about Louisville not being in the big 12 is your AD investing wisely in your sports. Not just are you one of the top basketball programs you have a football program that's very strong and hopefully a future Heisman winner this year. I bet if we could've grab Louisville and WVU at the same time the big 12 wouldn't be so unstable.
Im glad in the end that you found yourself a P5 home because your school was one of those that clear deserved one. With good athletics school normally start attracting more students which affords UL to be more selective. We could see UL moving up the academic rankings in the future.