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As cheesy as many of us think Fleck's Row the Boat thing is, to Creighton's credit I've bought into the concept of The Factory. When you're a historically losing program like EMU the first thing that needs to change is your attitude, and coming together with a hard-working, blue-collar mentality that resembles the Detroit area was a smart move on his part. I'm glad to see the Eagles coming along.

All well and good, until I scrolled down and read the comment from "Momma Wanda" stating that he is the best coach in the MAC. LOL.

I am glad to see EMU doing well though and I do give Creighton credit. Plus, the better they do, the better our win against them will look...

(10-11-2016 06:11 AM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]As cheesy as many of us think Fleck's Row the Boat thing is, to Creighton's credit I've bought into the concept of The Factory. When you're a historically losing program like EMU the first thing that needs to change is your attitude, and coming together with a hard-working, blue-collar mentality that resembles the Detroit area was a smart move on his part. I'm glad to see the Eagles coming along.

Agree 100%.

CC had to break the cycle of football 'poverty' at EMU.

He had to do something to make EMU distinct and separate from many other G5 teams with chronic losing records.

The Factory and the gray turf did make EMU distinct and brought significant attention to the program (the last real national attention was the murder of D. Reed a few years ago).

CC has also worked hard to reach out to the media, stakeholders, etc. to sell the program. The last to do that so effectively was Ben Braun in MBB. He used to go to the dorms to drum up support for his basketball team.

The next step is to get some big wins and create the 'feel good' story which everyone seems to like (not sure BG fans like it though).

Love cc and his hard work still alot more work to be done

(10-11-2016 09:07 AM)broncos1123 Wrote: [ -> ]All well and good, until I scrolled down and read the comment from "Momma Wanda" stating that he is the best coach in the MAC. LOL.

I am glad to see EMU doing well though and I do give Creighton credit. Plus, the better they do, the better our win against them will look...

If he turns EMU around, he might be.

(10-11-2016 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2016 09:07 AM)broncos1123 Wrote: [ -> ]All well and good, until I scrolled down and read the comment from "Momma Wanda" stating that he is the best coach in the MAC. LOL.

I am glad to see EMU doing well though and I do give Creighton credit. Plus, the better they do, the better our win against them will look...

If he turns EMU around, he might be.

How would that be any better than what Bowden is currently achieving at Akron? Akron was a combined 2-22 the 2 seasons prior to him taking over and since Akron moved up to FBS in 1987, they only made 1 bowl game prior to Bowden being the coach.

(10-11-2016 09:07 AM)broncos1123 Wrote: [ -> ]All well and good, until I scrolled down and read the comment from "Momma Wanda" stating that he is the best coach in the MAC. LOL.

I am glad to see EMU doing well though and I do give Creighton credit. Plus, the better they do, the better our win against them will look...

Discussions of who is the best coach in a conference is usually an exercise in futility.

How does one compare the 2016 season for the coaches of (for example), WMU and EMU?

P.J. is trying to take a good team to the 'next level'.

CC is trying to take a really bad team and make it good.

If WMU goes 10 - 2 and EMU goes 7 - 5 who did the better job?

I have no idea. How do you compare apples and oranges?

If creighton gets EMU to a bowl he should be COY, unless WMU goes undefeated.

(10-11-2016 10:43 AM)kreed5120 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2016 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2016 09:07 AM)broncos1123 Wrote: [ -> ]All well and good, until I scrolled down and read the comment from "Momma Wanda" stating that he is the best coach in the MAC. LOL.

I am glad to see EMU doing well though and I do give Creighton credit. Plus, the better they do, the better our win against them will look...

If he turns EMU around, he might be.

How would that be any better than what Bowden is currently achieving at Akron? Akron was a combined 2-22 the 2 seasons prior to him taking over and since Akron moved up to FBS in 1987, they only made 1 bowl game prior to Bowden being the coach.

EMU has a longer history of a lack of success. And Akron won the MAC as recently as 2005. Anyway, the job isn't done at either EMU or Akron.

The fact that anyone here is trying to argue that PJ is not the best coach in the MAC right now is absurd. Nothing against the other coaches, but with what he's done at WMU and the national attention he is accumulating is second to none. I'm not talking about what will be, I'm talking about now, present day.

Easy there, nobody is arguing much of anything. Just making observations.

1.) Fleck (He's changed the entire culture at WMU. Previously football was a sport fans would Boo. Now it's 'Why weren't you at the game?')

2.) Bowden (It wasn't too long ago that Akron football was the laughing stock of the MAC. Bowden's turned the program around to Bowl Game champions and MAC East contenders)

3.) Creighton (This still might be premature. It won't be if they make a bowl. He's turned EMU to a team that'd win 1 game year-in and year-out to a fairly good MAC team. I see possible wins vs Miami, Ball St, NIU, and CMU.)

4.) Bonamego (Fans were really questioning 'Is this the year CMU falls to the MAC's cellar?' last year when Bonamego was hired. He's shown that he can field competitive MAC teams and still compete in the West)

5.) Solich (He's kept Ohio competitive)

(10-11-2016 04:44 PM)broncos1123 Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that anyone here is trying to argue that PJ is not the best coach in the MAC right now is absurd. Nothing against the other coaches, but with what he's done at WMU and the national attention he is accumulating is second to none. I'm not talking about what will be, I'm talking about now, present day.

Kill and Doeren looked good when we had Harnish and Lynch. Babers looked good when he had Matt Johnson. Even Carey looked good the first year when we still had Lynch. What would be more telling is if PJ is here after Terrell and Davis graduate and they still do well.

1.) Fleck (He's changed the entire culture at WMU. Previously football was a sport fans would Boo. Now it's 'Why weren't you at the game?')

2.) Bowden (It wasn't too long ago that Akron football was the laughing stock of the MAC. Bowden's turned the program around to Bowl Game champions and MAC East contenders)

3.) Creighton (This still might be premature. It won't be if they make a bowl. He's turned EMU to a team that'd win 1 game year-in and year-out to a fairly good MAC team. I see possible wins vs Miami, Ball St, NIU, and CMU.)

4.) Bonamego (Fans were really questioning 'Is this the year CMU falls to the MAC's cellar?' last year when Bonamego was hired. He's shown that he can field competitive MAC teams and still compete in the West)

5.) Solich (He's kept Ohio competitive)

To make it clear I wasn't trying to insinuate Bowden>Fleck. Just questioning why exactly someone would put Creighton ahead of Bowden.

I agree Bowden is ahead of Creighton right now.

1. Fleck

2. Bowden

3. Creighton

4. Carey

5. Last one was not serious...

(10-11-2016 05:47 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: [ -> ]1.) Fleck (He's changed the entire culture at WMU. Previously football was a sport fans would Boo. Now it's 'Why weren't you at the game?')

2.) Bowden (It wasn't too long ago that Akron football was the laughing stock of the MAC. Bowden's turned the program around to Bowl Game champions and MAC East contenders)

3.) Creighton (This still might be premature. It won't be if they make a bowl. He's turned EMU to a team that'd win 1 game year-in and year-out to a fairly good MAC team. I see possible wins vs Miami, Ball St, NIU, and CMU.)

4.) Bonamego (Fans were really questioning 'Is this the year CMU falls to the MAC's cellar?' last year when Bonamego was hired. He's shown that he can field competitive MAC teams and still compete in the West)

5.) Solich (He's kept Ohio competitive)

6) Carey

(10-11-2016 06:55 PM)kreed5120 Wrote: [ -> ]To make it clear I wasn't trying to insinuate Bowden>Fleck. Just questioning why exactly someone would put Creighton ahead of Bowden.

You could argue that bringing EMU to, let's say a MAC title, would be more impressive than Akron getting there. Of course that hasn't happened, but if it did...

(10-11-2016 10:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2016 06:55 PM)kreed5120 Wrote: [ -> ]To make it clear I wasn't trying to insinuate Bowden>Fleck. Just questioning why exactly someone would put Creighton ahead of Bowden.

You could argue that bringing EMU to, let's say a MAC title, would be more impressive than Akron getting there. Of course that hasn't happened, but if it did...

Akron is at a point that them winning a MAC title is semi realistic scenario. They just need to beat OU the last week of the season and upset UT or WMU in Detroit. They also return 9 starters on their high powered offense next season so it's not like they won't be in a position to compete next year.

It's still to be seen if Creighton can build EMU into a consistent bowl contender or if this season is just a 1 hit wonder for EMU. This praising him is probably coming 1 year too soon.