(10-05-2016 01:00 PM)OkaloosaTiger Wrote: [ -> ]From Uncle John's Bathroom reader:
http://www.bathroomreader.com/2016/10/th...-football/
So we are considered a very large metropolitan area? And our residents do love the game of pigskin? So we have the numbers and interest that could fill the liberty bowl ? Interesting.
(10-05-2016 01:29 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2016 01:00 PM)OkaloosaTiger Wrote: [ -> ]From Uncle John's Bathroom reader:
http://www.bathroomreader.com/2016/10/th...-football/
So we are considered a very large metropolitan area? And our residents do love the game of pigskin? So we have the numbers and interest that could fill the liberty bowl ? Interesting.
For the NFL? Yes For big time college football ? Yes
For USFL , XFL, and G5 ? About 35K is good
Sorry if this hurts your feelings
Not sure I understand the point of that article. Just a bunch of the obvious.
I wouldn't call it obvious. Maybe old news to many of you. But I found it to be a succinct summary of information I didn't know.
The bad luck goes further back than 1974...
In 1923, Clarence Saunders, the founder of Piggly Wiggly, lost everything in a stock market gamble. A few years later, he began a new grocery store chain named “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Stores.” By 1928, there were nearly a thousand “Sole Owner” stores across the country, bringing in millions of dollars in revenue. Saunders, having lost his first estate with his first fortune, designed and built a second one that he called “Woodland” to the east of Memphis. He also purchased a professional football team that year. The team practiced at “Woodland” where Saunders would arrive in his business suit and catch punts. He renamed the team “The Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
(PIC)
Saunders at Woodland…which is now the Lichterman Nature Center
In 1929, the National Football League was in its 10th year. The league consisted of 12 teams, including the Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers. Independent professional football had also spread to the South and West, but the teams there did not belong to the NFL. Although the NFL played a regular season and a championship, they were also free to play teams outside of the league. These games earned the NFL team money and drew attendance for the home team.
The Sole Owner Tigers, as they were called, were managed by Memphis sports legend Early Maxwell. The Tigers played a 12 game season with all but one game in Memphis. All home games were played at Hodges Field, which was located at the current site of the Memphis Veterans hospital. When it was filled to capacity, the field could accommodate 8000 spectators.
For most of the 1929 season, the Sole Owner Tigers drew moderate crowds to see the Tigers play pro teams such as the Nashvile O. Geny Greenies, the St. Louis Trojans and the Hominy Indians (who were all Native Americans from Oklahoma). In addition, Saunders and Maxwell negotiated with two NFL teams to play in Memphis. The Chicago Bears were to appear with their star player Red Grange, followed by the Green Bay Packers.
On November 23, Saunders hosted the Chicago Bears. A crowd of 6,500 crammed into the stadium. At one point in the third quarter, the Sole Owner Tigers closed to within 1 point of the Bears, but the Bears scored three touchdowns in the fourth quarter to win 39-19.
On December 15, the week after the NFL season ended, the Green Bay Packers, undefeated NFL champions, came to town for what they expected to be an easy exhibition game. After all, opponents had scored only three touchdowns against the Packers all season. But Saunders and Maxwell had been negotiating a surprise. When the NFL season ended, Saunders paid two league players to come to Memphis. One of them was Joe Kopcha from the Chicago Bears. 8000 fans jammed the stadium and the sidelines. The Memphis fans were thrilled to see the Tigers manhandle the Packers with a 20 -0 lead going into the last minutes of the fourth quarter. The Packers avoided total humiliation by scoring in the final minutes but were shocked by a 20-6 loss.
Saunders wanted one more shot at the Chicago Bears. He negotiated a final game against them which was played three days before Christmas. Joe Kopcha stayed with the Sole Owner Tigers for this game against his regular season team mates. He scored a field goal and two touchdowns leading the Tigers to a 20-6 victory.
The next year the NFL extended an invitation to Saunders to join the league. Saunders refused saying that he would instead construct a 60,000 seat arena in Memphis to play only home games. Saunders may have meant it when he said it, but one has to wonder if he thought that he could do it better than the NFL, just like he had done in the grocery business and had attempted to do on Wall Street. We’ll never know…within three years Saunders lost his second fortune to the great depression and with it Memphis lost the “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
from Pink Palace, memphis museums
One more from September 1987:
After the St Louis Cardinals and the Kansas City Chiefs opened the new, renovated Liberty Bowl, Cards owner Bill Bidwill called then mayor Dick Hackett and wanted to open discussions about moving his Cardinals here. Hackett declined saying we were 'pretty much in first place' for the upcoming NFL expansion that was to happen within 6 months. After the 87 season, Bidwill moved the Cardinals to Phoenix.
Jim kilick?
Uncle John lost some credibility there.
I wonder what happened to my "KIICK 'em!" And "ZONK 'em" t shirts...
(10-05-2016 02:45 PM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]The bad luck goes further back than 1974...
In 1923, Clarence Saunders, the founder of Piggly Wiggly, lost everything in a stock market gamble. A few years later, he began a new grocery store chain named “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Stores.” By 1928, there were nearly a thousand “Sole Owner” stores across the country, bringing in millions of dollars in revenue. Saunders, having lost his first estate with his first fortune, designed and built a second one that he called “Woodland” to the east of Memphis. He also purchased a professional football team that year. The team practiced at “Woodland” where Saunders would arrive in his business suit and catch punts. He renamed the team “The Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
(PIC)
Saunders at Woodland…which is now the Lichterman Nature Center
In 1929, the National Football League was in its 10th year. The league consisted of 12 teams, including the Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers. Independent professional football had also spread to the South and West, but the teams there did not belong to the NFL. Although the NFL played a regular season and a championship, they were also free to play teams outside of the league. These games earned the NFL team money and drew attendance for the home team.
The Sole Owner Tigers, as they were called, were managed by Memphis sports legend Early Maxwell. The Tigers played a 12 game season with all but one game in Memphis. All home games were played at Hodges Field, which was located at the current site of the Memphis Veterans hospital. When it was filled to capacity, the field could accommodate 8000 spectators.
For most of the 1929 season, the Sole Owner Tigers drew moderate crowds to see the Tigers play pro teams such as the Nashvile O. Geny Greenies, the St. Louis Trojans and the Hominy Indians (who were all Native Americans from Oklahoma). In addition, Saunders and Maxwell negotiated with two NFL teams to play in Memphis. The Chicago Bears were to appear with their star player Red Grange, followed by the Green Bay Packers.
On November 23, Saunders hosted the Chicago Bears. A crowd of 6,500 crammed into the stadium. At one point in the third quarter, the Sole Owner Tigers closed to within 1 point of the Bears, but the Bears scored three touchdowns in the fourth quarter to win 39-19.
On December 15, the week after the NFL season ended, the Green Bay Packers, undefeated NFL champions, came to town for what they expected to be an easy exhibition game. After all, opponents had scored only three touchdowns against the Packers all season. But Saunders and Maxwell had been negotiating a surprise. When the NFL season ended, Saunders paid two league players to come to Memphis. One of them was Joe Kopcha from the Chicago Bears. 8000 fans jammed the stadium and the sidelines. The Memphis fans were thrilled to see the Tigers manhandle the Packers with a 20 -0 lead going into the last minutes of the fourth quarter. The Packers avoided total humiliation by scoring in the final minutes but were shocked by a 20-6 loss.
Saunders wanted one more shot at the Chicago Bears. He negotiated a final game against them which was played three days before Christmas. Joe Kopcha stayed with the Sole Owner Tigers for this game against his regular season team mates. He scored a field goal and two touchdowns leading the Tigers to a 20-6 victory.
The next year the NFL extended an invitation to Saunders to join the league. Saunders refused saying that he would instead construct a 60,000 seat arena in Memphis to play only home games. Saunders may have meant it when he said it, but one has to wonder if he thought that he could do it better than the NFL, just like he had done in the grocery business and had attempted to do on Wall Street. We’ll never know…within three years Saunders lost his second fortune to the great depression and with it Memphis lost the “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
from Pink Palace, memphis museums
and now we know, the REST of the STORY
(10-05-2016 02:59 PM)holyterror Wrote: [ -> ]Jim kilick?
Uncle John lost some credibility there.
I wonder what happened to my "KIICK 'em!" And "ZONK 'em" t shirts...
No kidding. Kiick is mentioned and Paul Warfield isn't?
(10-05-2016 02:59 PM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]One more from September 1987:
After the St Louis Cardinals and the Kansas City Chiefs opened the new, renovated Liberty Bowl, Cards owner Bill Bidwill called then mayor Dick Hackett and wanted to open discussions about moving his Cardinals here. Hackett declined saying we were 'pretty much in first place' for the upcoming NFL expansion that was to happen within 6 months. After the 87 season, Bidwill moved the Cardinals to Phoenix.
Bidwell was despised in STL. The fans told him to take a hike more than once. Bud Adams wasn't much better.
(10-05-2016 03:11 PM)TiggerFan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2016 02:59 PM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]One more from September 1987:
After the St Louis Cardinals and the Kansas City Chiefs opened the new, renovated Liberty Bowl, Cards owner Bill Bidwill called then mayor Dick Hackett and wanted to open discussions about moving his Cardinals here. Hackett declined saying we were 'pretty much in first place' for the upcoming NFL expansion that was to happen within 6 months. After the 87 season, Bidwill moved the Cardinals to Phoenix.
Bidwell was despised in STL. The fans told him to take a hike more than once. Bud Adams wasn't much better.
The NFL had some goofy owners didn't they?
(10-05-2016 02:45 PM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]The bad luck goes further back than 1974...
In 1923, Clarence Saunders, the founder of Piggly Wiggly, lost everything in a stock market gamble. A few years later, he began a new grocery store chain named “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Stores.” By 1928, there were nearly a thousand “Sole Owner” stores across the country, bringing in millions of dollars in revenue. Saunders, having lost his first estate with his first fortune, designed and built a second one that he called “Woodland” to the east of Memphis. He also purchased a professional football team that year. The team practiced at “Woodland” where Saunders would arrive in his business suit and catch punts. He renamed the team “The Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
(PIC)
Saunders at Woodland…which is now the Lichterman Nature Center
In 1929, the National Football League was in its 10th year. The league consisted of 12 teams, including the Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers. Independent professional football had also spread to the South and West, but the teams there did not belong to the NFL. Although the NFL played a regular season and a championship, they were also free to play teams outside of the league. These games earned the NFL team money and drew attendance for the home team.
The Sole Owner Tigers, as they were called, were managed by Memphis sports legend Early Maxwell. The Tigers played a 12 game season with all but one game in Memphis. All home games were played at Hodges Field, which was located at the current site of the Memphis Veterans hospital. When it was filled to capacity, the field could accommodate 8000 spectators.
For most of the 1929 season, the Sole Owner Tigers drew moderate crowds to see the Tigers play pro teams such as the Nashvile O. Geny Greenies, the St. Louis Trojans and the Hominy Indians (who were all Native Americans from Oklahoma). In addition, Saunders and Maxwell negotiated with two NFL teams to play in Memphis. The Chicago Bears were to appear with their star player Red Grange, followed by the Green Bay Packers.
On November 23, Saunders hosted the Chicago Bears. A crowd of 6,500 crammed into the stadium. At one point in the third quarter, the Sole Owner Tigers closed to within 1 point of the Bears, but the Bears scored three touchdowns in the fourth quarter to win 39-19.
On December 15, the week after the NFL season ended, the Green Bay Packers, undefeated NFL champions, came to town for what they expected to be an easy exhibition game. After all, opponents had scored only three touchdowns against the Packers all season. But Saunders and Maxwell had been negotiating a surprise. When the NFL season ended, Saunders paid two league players to come to Memphis. One of them was Joe Kopcha from the Chicago Bears. 8000 fans jammed the stadium and the sidelines. The Memphis fans were thrilled to see the Tigers manhandle the Packers with a 20 -0 lead going into the last minutes of the fourth quarter. The Packers avoided total humiliation by scoring in the final minutes but were shocked by a 20-6 loss.
Saunders wanted one more shot at the Chicago Bears. He negotiated a final game against them which was played three days before Christmas. Joe Kopcha stayed with the Sole Owner Tigers for this game against his regular season team mates. He scored a field goal and two touchdowns leading the Tigers to a 20-6 victory.
The next year the NFL extended an invitation to Saunders to join the league. Saunders refused saying that he would instead construct a 60,000 seat arena in Memphis to play only home games. Saunders may have meant it when he said it, but one has to wonder if he thought that he could do it better than the NFL, just like he had done in the grocery business and had attempted to do on Wall Street. We’ll never know…within three years Saunders lost his second fortune to the great depression and with it Memphis lost the “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
from Pink Palace, memphis museums
![[Image: 29038747802_55226f0942_o.jpg]](https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8676/29038747802_55226f0942_o.jpg)
Clarence Saunders 7000 Sq. Foot cabin which became Lichterman Nature Center & burned in 1994, Memphis TN
![[Image: 26826542886_bcb10e12c2_o.jpg]](https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7731/26826542886_bcb10e12c2_o.jpg)
Grand Opening of a new Sole Owner Grocery Store by Clarence Saunders, 93 N. Main St., Memphis TN - Circa 1931
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(10-05-2016 02:45 PM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]The bad luck goes further back than 1974...
In 1923, Clarence Saunders, the founder of Piggly Wiggly, lost everything in a stock market gamble. A few years later, he began a new grocery store chain named “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Stores.” By 1928, there were nearly a thousand “Sole Owner” stores across the country, bringing in millions of dollars in revenue. Saunders, having lost his first estate with his first fortune, designed and built a second one that he called “Woodland” to the east of Memphis. He also purchased a professional football team that year. The team practiced at “Woodland” where Saunders would arrive in his business suit and catch punts. He renamed the team “The Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
(PIC)
Saunders at Woodland…which is now the Lichterman Nature Center
In 1929, the National Football League was in its 10th year. The league consisted of 12 teams, including the Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers. Independent professional football had also spread to the South and West, but the teams there did not belong to the NFL. Although the NFL played a regular season and a championship, they were also free to play teams outside of the league. These games earned the NFL team money and drew attendance for the home team.
The Sole Owner Tigers, as they were called, were managed by Memphis sports legend Early Maxwell. The Tigers played a 12 game season with all but one game in Memphis. All home games were played at Hodges Field, which was located at the current site of the Memphis Veterans hospital. When it was filled to capacity, the field could accommodate 8000 spectators.
For most of the 1929 season, the Sole Owner Tigers drew moderate crowds to see the Tigers play pro teams such as the Nashvile O. Geny Greenies, the St. Louis Trojans and the Hominy Indians (who were all Native Americans from Oklahoma). In addition, Saunders and Maxwell negotiated with two NFL teams to play in Memphis. The Chicago Bears were to appear with their star player Red Grange, followed by the Green Bay Packers.
On November 23, Saunders hosted the Chicago Bears. A crowd of 6,500 crammed into the stadium. At one point in the third quarter, the Sole Owner Tigers closed to within 1 point of the Bears, but the Bears scored three touchdowns in the fourth quarter to win 39-19.
On December 15, the week after the NFL season ended, the Green Bay Packers, undefeated NFL champions, came to town for what they expected to be an easy exhibition game. After all, opponents had scored only three touchdowns against the Packers all season. But Saunders and Maxwell had been negotiating a surprise. When the NFL season ended, Saunders paid two league players to come to Memphis. One of them was Joe Kopcha from the Chicago Bears. 8000 fans jammed the stadium and the sidelines. The Memphis fans were thrilled to see the Tigers manhandle the Packers with a 20 -0 lead going into the last minutes of the fourth quarter. The Packers avoided total humiliation by scoring in the final minutes but were shocked by a 20-6 loss.
Saunders wanted one more shot at the Chicago Bears. He negotiated a final game against them which was played three days before Christmas. Joe Kopcha stayed with the Sole Owner Tigers for this game against his regular season team mates. He scored a field goal and two touchdowns leading the Tigers to a 20-6 victory.
The next year the NFL extended an invitation to Saunders to join the league. Saunders refused saying that he would instead construct a 60,000 seat arena in Memphis to play only home games. Saunders may have meant it when he said it, but one has to wonder if he thought that he could do it better than the NFL, just like he had done in the grocery business and had attempted to do on Wall Street. We’ll never know…within three years Saunders lost his second fortune to the great depression and with it Memphis lost the “Clarence Saunders Sole Owner of My Name Tigers.”
from Pink Palace, memphis museums
I live real close to one of his old CSSO stores
Danny White played QB/Punter for the Southmen before going to the Dallas Cowboys.
Should have bent over and gave Jim Irsay anything he wanted.
Memphis will never get an NFL team so enjoy the TIGERS and put FittyK in the seats Thursday nite
(10-05-2016 04:03 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote: [ -> ]Danny White played QB/Punter for the Southmen before going to the Dallas Cowboys.
I always thought Willie spencer could have played in the NFL
(10-05-2016 04:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ]Should have bent over and gave Jim Irsay anything he wanted.
I heard a story about an owner who came to Memphis to discuss relocating here. He showed up at the mayor's office hammered. After about 5 minutes he excused himself for a restroom break. That was the last they saw of him. Pretty sure it was Irsay.