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Why has alot of the local media and fan base put up with the on field results. I honestly don't feel like they view UC football as a major league team like OSU or any bother P5 school. How many "UC fans" do you know that like UC but are really OSU, Michigan, ND, etc. Fans? Thy look at going to a UC game or cheering UC the same way Reds fan would look at going to a Louisville Bats game.

I'm sorry if this p*sses people off, but this is my expexperience from going to school and going to games for the past 20 or so years. I wishnit wasnt this way, but I remember going to a home football game and passing by guys huddled in their dorm room watching the OSU game.

Is this why there hasn't been more outrage over the current leadership in both sports? Are there just not enough die hards like us to make a loud enough protest?

(10-02-2016 01:32 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]Why has alot of the local media and fan base put up with the on field results. I honestly don't feel like they view UC football as a major league team like OSU or any bother P5 school. How many "UC fans" do you know that like UC but are really OSU, Michigan, ND, etc. Fans? Thy look at going to a UC game or cheering UC the same way Reds fan would look at going to a Louisville Bats game.

I'm sorry if this p*sses people off, but this is my expexperience from going to school and going to games for the past 20 or so years. I wishnit wasnt this way, but I remember going to a home football game and passing by guys huddled in their dorm room watching the OSU game.

Is this why there hasn't been more outrage over the current leadership in both sports? Are there just not enough die hards like us to make a loud enough protest?

(10-02-2016 01:32 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]I wishnit wasnt this way, but I remember going to a home football game and passing by guys huddled in their dorm room watching the OSU game.

It certainly used to be that way, but hasn't been for quite awhile now.

(10-02-2016 04:23 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2016 01:32 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]I wishnit wasnt this way, but I remember going to a home football game and passing by guys huddled in their dorm room watching the OSU game.

It certainly used to be that way, but hasn't been for quite awhile now.

Sadly we might be headed back that way.

The crowds the last 2 games have been bad. Kelly built up enormous momentum, Butch kept most of it, now we're losing it all.

We travel from Cleveland for the games. We usually stop for lunch in Columbus on the way down. Yesterday was an OSU game and the restaurant we went to was empty. A sports bar next door was packed. Columbus really does shut down for OSU football.

If the local media gave crap they would be roasting CTT.

My angst with how far we have fallen knows no limits. We have gone from a championship P team to a team lucky to beat a bad MAC team. The ruin CTT has brought needs the laser light of attention. Simply put - not only has he failed - he has brought ruin.

Losing is one thing. Losing STUPID is another. We are losing STUPID!

I agree completely. I think that's what makes this situation so perilous - the city really doesnt have an emotional investment in the program yet and doesn't really care if we stop playing well. They simply stop showing up to the game. Soon enough we could end up reverting back to the local after thought. That's why this time is so important for UC as a program because we need to build off the success of BK and BJ and continue to get the city involved with the team. It's probably the most frustrating underlying issue of the Tuberville era.

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(10-02-2016 06:01 PM)Bcatbog Wrote: [ -> ]We travel from Cleveland for the games. We usually stop for lunch in Columbus on the way down. Yesterday was an OSU game and the restaurant we went to was empty. A sports bar next door was packed. Columbus really does shut down for OSU football.

If the local media gave crap they would be roasting CTT.

My angst with how far we have fallen knows no limits. We have gone from a championship P team to a team lucky to beat a bad MAC team. The ruin CTT has brought needs the laser light of attention. Simply put - not only has he failed - he has brought ruin.

Losing is one thing. Losing STUPID is another. We are losing STUPID!

Thanks for being an awesome fan. With any luck (or common sense) things will get better soon.

(10-02-2016 06:08 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]I agree completely. I think that's what makes this situation so perilous - the city really doesnt have an emotional investment in the program yet and doesn't really care if we stop playing well. They simply stop showing up to the game. Soon enough we could end up reverting back to the local after thought. That's why this time is so important for UC as a program because we need to build off the success of BK and BJ and continue to get the city involved with the team. It's probably the most frustrating underlying issue of the Tuberville era.

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Yep and we do not even play exciting football anymore. The offense is flat out boring to watch. We were a spread team, now I have no clue what we are.

As predicted..... almost four years ago.

AAC equals minor leagues, minor league schedule and minor league money.

Heard some sad UC fan on WLW driving home last night lamenting how much Louisville has passed us up. No sh$t. Over the last 3 years in football television revenue alone, UofL has brought in over $75M while UC is under $9M. And it will keep getting worse, and worse, until it doesn't matter anymore.

Then look at the schedule. Games against Tulsa, ECU, UCF, and SMU will make even the loyal Bearcat yawn. People were still sitting in the Alum Center, and at their tailgates watching TV, instead of getting inside Nippert before kick-off. Students too.

People are apoplectic over Tuberville right now. But do you really think it would be different with a young assistant from Eastern Michigan? He would be handcuffed with no money for consistency in the assistant coach department. He would be handcuffed with little money to recruit. Our talent level is really sinking. And do you think Zac Taylor is out busting it on the recruiting trail since he is headed back to the NFL next season?

There is a big reason we can't throw down field this year. Our new receivers are G5 quality that the P5 schools didn't want either from high school or were demoted to 4th string so they transfered. They're simply too slow. Whether it was Hayden earlier, or Trail or Kiel last night, none of them are getting open down field. We lived the last two years on CBJ's obsession with bringing in WR's that could stretch the field. Of course, many of them wanted to play with 5-star Kiel.

Depending on your history following the Cats, I read different opinions of Dantonio, Kelly, and Jones. But all of them were successful in their own way since they could recruit to a Big East schedule and a BCS bowl. Comparing CTT to those guys is silly. Tommy is really back in C-USA and a much better comparison to Minter.

My thoughts on the program is well published here. I knew we were screwed when the Pitt Chancellor did "whatever it took" to take care of his University and left UC, UConn, and USF high and dry. Something Ono was unable to complete.

When I sit in my seats up in Shank and look across at Tommy in front of that $85M building I have to laugh (better than cry). We built the Club / Suites in hopes to generate revenue to keep up with the P5. And CTT is just the same. We pay him $3M in hopes that his national reputation will get us in a P5. Neither has worked. UC can't sell out the Club (turned it into a Golden Corral with all the comp tickets), and Tommy's love of mediocre effort that leads to mediocre results which garners a bowlcation.

UC's Board and Interim President better take care of business very soon or the future of all athletic programs, alumni support, and student enrollment will be irreparably damaged. Tommy Tubberville is the least of our issues.

"When I sit in my seats up in Shank and look across at Tommy in front of that $85M building I have to laugh (better than cry). We built the Club / Suites in hopes to generate revenue to keep up with the P5. And CTT is just the same. We pay him $3M in hopes that his national reputation will get us in a P5. Neither has worked. UC can't sell out the Club (turned it into a Golden Corral with all the comp tickets), and Tommy's love of mediocre effort that leads to mediocre results which garners a bowlcation."

Where do I start? The $85 million went into a project that was far more than the Club Seats. I think we only pay CTT just over $2 million - IMO now a waste.

As for not selling out the Club Seats - the reason is obvious. Someone decided to skew the seats to the south for visual effects. I suspect that was an artistic person - but I do not know. Who the hell would spend the same money to sit in the end zone as someone for the 50? The artistic person wasted a ton of money and the price for the far south seats has been cut - and they are still not sold.

Those of us who stepped up have IMO been taken for a ride. I suspect the price following the 3 year contact will be much less. Especially for below level MAC performance.

My only issue is I get that the G5 league gives us constraints in terms of national perception, fan interest, competitive scheduling and money. However, what we built and sold to the alumni and fan base was let's be the best G5 program there is and build facilities and aspire to dominate our conference in the hopes to be competitive for a P5 invite. Houston and Memphis haven't had problems beating ranked teams and being successful of late. Hell, USF...with all due respect...USF has now SURPASSED us. This is on the Coach and his impotent desire to win at all costs. I truly believe we can do better with a different coach than the one we have now. We can't control conference expansion but we sure as heck can control who coaches this team with a pulse above a cadaver.

(10-02-2016 06:53 PM)Bcatbog Wrote: [ -> ]"When I sit in my seats up in Shank and look across at Tommy in front of that $85M building I have to laugh (better than cry). We built the Club / Suites in hopes to generate revenue to keep up with the P5. And CTT is just the same. We pay him $3M in hopes that his national reputation will get us in a P5. Neither has worked. UC can't sell out the Club (turned it into a Golden Corral with all the comp tickets), and Tommy's love of mediocre effort that leads to mediocre results which garners a bowlcation."

Where do I start? The $85 million went into a project that was far more than the Club Seats. I think we only pay CTT just over $2 million - IMO now a waste.

As for not selling out the Club Seats - the reason is obvious. Someone decided to skew the seats to the south for visual effects. I suspect that was an artistic person - but I do not know. Who the hell would spend the same money to sit in the end zone as someone for the 50? The artistic person wasted a ton of money and the price for the far south seats has been cut - and they are still not sold.

Those of us who stepped up have IMO been taken for a ride. I suspect the price following the 3 year contact will be much less. Especially for below level MAC performance.

You must be an accountant. CTT's original contract was for a guarantee of $2.2M. He was due a $200,000 raise but I'm sure that was increased when Bohn extended him this past April. His incentives on the old contract could make the contract as rich as $3.4M. But who the hell cares....

Thanks for making my point that UC made a mistake with the big building, and is making a mistake with the head coach.

(10-02-2016 06:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]My only issue is I get that the G5 league gives us constraints in terms of national perception, fan interest, competitive scheduling and money. However, what we built and sold to the alumni and fan base was let's be the best G5 program

Not sustainable. Houston will be done when Herman leaves after getting left out of the B12. Memphis will soon fall off since Fuente left for more money. Most G5 schools will have their time in the sun, but money issues will never allow UC to dominate. Heck, right now they are having problems just competing.

(10-02-2016 06:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]My only issue is I get that the G5 league gives us constraints in terms of national perception, fan interest, competitive scheduling and money. However, what we built and sold to the alumni and fan base was let's be the best G5 program there is and build facilities and aspire to dominate our conference in the hopes to be competitive for a P5 invite. Houston and Memphis haven't had problems beating ranked teams and being successful of late. Hell, USF...with all due respect...USF has now SURPASSED us. This is on the Coach and his impotent desire to win at all costs. I truly believe we can do better with a different coach than the one we have now. We can't control conference expansion but we sure as heck can control who coaches this team with a pulse above a cadaver.

MAC teams are far better than us with a fraction of the financial resources. CTT should be forced to tell us why.

Memphis made a second very good hire in a row. Houston will learn from their home run hire and will stay in that vein when they need replace Herman if they are smart.

UC got away from what worked for three straight successful hires thanks to Whit calling up his good buddy with an offer that got him out of the hot seat in Lubbock into an easy like Sunday morning gig.

(10-02-2016 07:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2016 06:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]My only issue is I get that the G5 league gives us constraints in terms of national perception, fan interest, competitive scheduling and money. However, what we built and sold to the alumni and fan base was let's be the best G5 program

Not sustainable. Houston will be done when Herman leaves after getting left out of the B12. Memphis will soon fall off since Fuente left for more money. Most G5 schools will have their time in the sun, but money issues will never allow UC to dominate. Heck, right now they are having problems just competing.

I think we're coming at it from different perspectives. We can be more competitive with a different coach in the American Conference right now. That is what we should be doing at the very least. We can't even say we are AMONG THE TOP programs in the AAC. If fans and alumni don't believe we are trying to to be the best we can be then they sure as shoot aren't going to show up to games or give their support to our football program.

(10-02-2016 07:09 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2016 06:53 PM)Bcatbog Wrote: [ -> ]"When I sit in my seats up in Shank and look across at Tommy in front of that $85M building I have to laugh (better than cry). We built the Club / Suites in hopes to generate revenue to keep up with the P5. And CTT is just the same. We pay him $3M in hopes that his national reputation will get us in a P5. Neither has worked. UC can't sell out the Club (turned it into a Golden Corral with all the comp tickets), and Tommy's love of mediocre effort that leads to mediocre results which garners a bowlcation."

Where do I start? The $85 million went into a project that was far more than the Club Seats. I think we only pay CTT just over $2 million - IMO now a waste.

As for not selling out the Club Seats - the reason is obvious. Someone decided to skew the seats to the south for visual effects. I suspect that was an artistic person - but I do not know. Who the hell would spend the same money to sit in the end zone as someone for the 50? The artistic person wasted a ton of money and the price for the far south seats has been cut - and they are still not sold.

Those of us who stepped up have IMO been taken for a ride. I suspect the price following the 3 year contact will be much less. Especially for below level MAC performance.

You must be an accountant. CTT's original contract was for a guarantee of $2.2M. He was due a $200,000 raise but I'm sure that was increased when Bohn extended him this past April. His incentives on the old contract could make the contract as rich as $3.4M. But who the hell cares....

Thanks for making my point that UC made a mistake with the big building, and is making a mistake with the head coach.

You are mistaken on "the big building." Sure everyone was sold on adding a potential revenue stream, which is needed by the way. However, to compete even in the G5 UC needed premium seating. Attracting a P5 invite was only a part of the plan. If UC wants to continue at any level they had to put in this upgrade. FYI - the $85 mill price tag also included renovation on the concourse and East Side concessions/walkway.

The upgrades to Nippert are not a mistake. UC did make a huge mistake with Tubs.

If Memphis, Temple, USF and Houston can compete with a G5 tag, I do not see why UC cannot.

This is off top but I did not know where else to put it. Travis Kelce did not use UC in the description in Sunday Night football. He instead used his high school...

(10-02-2016 08:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote: [ -> ]However, to compete even in the G5 UC needed premium seating.

That they can't sell.

Improvements to the east side of the stadium were necessary and very well done. The west side - not so much. Actually forcing me and others to move back to BK's side of the field.