Is there anyone left who doesn't think Woodside is the answer at QB?
In one game his name is now littered all over the UT record book. Broke Bruce's single game passing record by over 50 yards, and did it on 24 fewer attempts. Also now has 2nd highest yards in 1 half.
Continues to lead the nation in QB rating, as he increased his season rating to 207. His 16 TD passes would rank as the 11th best season in history, after only 4 games. Averaging 360 yards per game which is 90 more than Bruce averaged his best season in 2004. He's doing this without D Johnson, who many thought would be the #1 WR, and N'Shaka the 3 star recruit who some were expecting to be a big contributor.
Before the season I heard a lot of talk about a lack of arm strength. Well he has made every downfield throw asked and made most of them with pinpoint accuracy. And the touch throw he made on 4th down to J Johnson was something a lot of strong-armed QBs can't do with accuracy. He's also made very few real mistakes this season - the 2nd INT last night was obviously 1, but other than that, there were hardly any (1st INT was tipped at the line). One play he took a sack when he could have dumped the ball out of bounds, but that's nit picking.
The play he made on the 2 point conversion was spectacular. If he stays healthy, this could be an amazing year.
to Logan.
(10-01-2016 09:12 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Is there anyone left who doesn't think Woodside is the answer at QB?
In one game his name is now littered all over the UT record book. Broke Bruce's single game passing record by over 50 yards, and did it on 24 fewer attempts. Also now has 2nd highest yards in 1 half.
Continues to lead the nation in QB rating, as he increased his season rating to 207. His 16 TD passes would rank as the 11th best season in history, after only 4 games. Averaging 360 yards per game which is 90 more than Bruce averaged his best season in 2004. He's doing this without D Johnson, who many thought would be the #1 WR, and N'Shaka the 3 star recruit who some were expecting to be a big contributor.
Before the season I heard a lot of talk about a lack of arm strength. Well he has made every downfield throw asked and made most of them with pinpoint accuracy. And the touch throw he made on 4th down to J Johnson was something a lot of strong-armed QBs can't do with accuracy. He's also made very few real mistakes this season - the 2nd INT last night was obviously 1, but other than that, there were hardly any (1st INT was tipped at the line). One play he took a sack when he could have dumped the ball out of bounds, but that's nit picking.
The play he made on the 2 point conversion was spectacular. If he stays healthy, this could be an amazing year. to Logan.
Logan Woodside has been phenomenal. Last years red shirt year did wonders.
(10-01-2016 09:12 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Is there anyone left who doesn't think Woodside is the answer at QB?
In one game his name is now littered all over the UT record book. Broke Bruce's single game passing record by over 50 yards, and did it on 24 fewer attempts. Also now has 2nd highest yards in 1 half.
Continues to lead the nation in QB rating, as he increased his season rating to 207. His 16 TD passes would rank as the 11th best season in history, after only 4 games. Averaging 360 yards per game which is 90 more than Bruce averaged his best season in 2004. He's doing this without D Johnson, who many thought would be the #1 WR, and N'Shaka the 3 star recruit who some were expecting to be a big contributor.
Before the season I heard a lot of talk about a lack of arm strength. Well he has made every downfield throw asked and made most of them with pinpoint accuracy. And the touch throw he made on 4th down to J Johnson was something a lot of strong-armed QBs can't do with accuracy. He's also made very few real mistakes this season - the 2nd INT last night was obviously 1, but other than that, there were hardly any (1st INT was tipped at the line). One play he took a sack when he could have dumped the ball out of bounds, but that's nit picking.
The play he made on the 2 point conversion was spectacular. If he stays healthy, this could be an amazing year. to Logan.
If the rest of his career comes close to paralleling these four games he will leave as one of the all-time greats.
He has been amazing. He made the most of his red shirt year, and it shows.
I don't have any reason to believe he wouldn't have been nearly as good last year. It just worked out as it did. Hopefully some good health and the QBs behind are learning from him and his work ethic and get some time in pocket this year (and next).
and FWIW, his best pass last night might have been one that missed. Second Q towards Johnson (isn't he a pleasant surprise) over the middle with 3-4 defenders converging. Johnson ran a great route, ball was put in his line where no defender could get to it but he couldn't quite get there with his dive. Woodside had been pressured, rolled had to see not where they were but where they would be.
I'll have to track down that play so I can give a time but it was a terrific pass on what appeared a broken play.
(10-01-2016 10:14 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have any reason to believe he wouldn't have been nearly as good last year. It just worked out as it did. Hopefully some good health and the QBs behind are learning from him and his work ethic and get some time in pocket this year (and next).
Don't agree with that assessment. If he couldn't beat out Ely for the starting spot, then he could not have been expected to outperform him on the field. To say he could would be unfounded and only a hunch. Seems to me he did what a developing NFL quarterback would do - study the defenses and understand when the ball needs to get out and where every single receiver will be on the field so his check downs are crisp and concise. Having a year to study and practice after having two years game experience under your belt is a huge advantage - but only if you have the skills to begin with.
The redshirt year was well spent.
He didn't have this kind of game before.
And he was more accurate last night than in the 1st 3 games. Definitely improving as he gets more game time.
I hate setting records in losses. Totally worthless.
(10-01-2016 11:08 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 10:14 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have any reason to believe he wouldn't have been nearly as good last year. It just worked out as it did. Hopefully some good health and the QBs behind are learning from him and his work ethic and get some time in pocket this year (and next).
Don't agree with that assessment. If he couldn't beat out Ely for the starting spot, then he could not have been expected to outperform him on the field. To say he could would be unfounded and only a hunch. Seems to me he did what a developing NFL quarterback would do - study the defenses and understand when the ball needs to get out and where every single receiver will be on the field so his check downs are crisp and concise. Having a year to study and practice after having two years game experience under your belt is a huge advantage - but only if you have the skills to begin with.
If done productively sure but then a year's playing experience would have done more.
That was based upon coaching decision, to play the transfer from Alabama that threw at shadows. Woodside certainly didn't lose that battle on the game field.
Of course, we'll never know but I hardly think a player makes remarkable jumps in talent or ability in such a short time, personal opinion. The Woodside we're seeing now is not much different than the one we would have seen last year.
That was based upon coaching decision, to play the transfer from Alabama that threw at shadows. Woodside certainly didn't lose that battle on the game field.
Don't agree with this above Woodside was way to much of a gunslinger he was beat out because if nothing else he threw too many picks.
This is why redshirting may have helped him more than playing he became a better student of the game and figured out when not to throw it into coverage. The 1 exception on the pick play last night he reminded me of the old gunslinger. Kudos to Logan for taking advantage of his Red-shirt year!!!!
(10-01-2016 12:26 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]The redshirt year was well spent.
He didn't have this kind of game before.
And he was more accurate last night than in the 1st 3 games. Definitely improving as he gets more game time.
I hate setting records in losses. Totally worthless.
Well, since he set a school record, by definition nobody ever had that kind of game before.
(10-01-2016 05:08 PM)rocketpaul Wrote: [ -> ]That was based upon coaching decision, to play the transfer from Alabama that threw at shadows. Woodside certainly didn't lose that battle on the game field.
Don't agree with this above Woodside was way to much of a gunslinger he was beat out because if nothing else he threw too many picks.
This is why redshirting may have helped him more than playing he became a better student of the game and figured out when not to throw it into coverage. The 1 exception on the pick play last night he reminded me of the old gunslinger. Kudos to Logan for taking advantage of his Red-shirt year!!!!
Regarding the highlighted, umm, no. He played in 12 games in 2014 and threw 8 picks. That's not a bad number at all. For comparison Ely threw 10 last year. His QB rating was higher than Ely's last year, and so was his completion percentage at 62%, all when he was just a sophomore.
He had several big games including 340 yards in a big win over CMU, and a 5 TD performance against EMU.
Some forget that he was hurt much of the last half of that season, after the KSU game, and his mobility was pretty significantly hampered. Yet he still played at least some in each remaining game. Also the Rockets had one of the best rushing seasons that year, averaging 250+ yards per game, so he really didn't need to do that much most games.
Not saying the red shirt season didn't help, but I have no reason to believe that UT wouldn't have missed a beat last year if he had to come in and play.
(10-01-2016 04:27 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 11:08 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 10:14 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have any reason to believe he wouldn't have been nearly as good last year. It just worked out as it did. Hopefully some good health and the QBs behind are learning from him and his work ethic and get some time in pocket this year (and next).
Don't agree with that assessment. If he couldn't beat out Ely for the starting spot, then he could not have been expected to outperform him on the field. To say he could would be unfounded and only a hunch. Seems to me he did what a developing NFL quarterback would do - study the defenses and understand when the ball needs to get out and where every single receiver will be on the field so his check downs are crisp and concise. Having a year to study and practice after having two years game experience under your belt is a huge advantage - but only if you have the skills to begin with.
If done productively sure but then a year's playing experience would have done more.
That was based upon coaching decision, to play the transfer from Alabama that threw at shadows. Woodside certainly didn't lose that battle on the game field.
Of course, we'll never know but I hardly think a player makes remarkable jumps in talent or ability in such a short time, personal opinion. The Woodside we're seeing now is not much different than the one we would have seen last year.
Don't know that he made a giant leap in talent or PHYSICAL ability, but I suspect his MENTAL knowledge of defenses and how to read them and check into the best play have improved tremendously and his decision making is a lot better. In 2014 he ran a lot but this year he seems to have a greater command of the entire field and can make plays with his arm rather than his feet which is a good thing because we sure need to keep him healthy.
(10-01-2016 06:52 PM)T-Town Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 04:27 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 11:08 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 10:14 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have any reason to believe he wouldn't have been nearly as good last year. It just worked out as it did. Hopefully some good health and the QBs behind are learning from him and his work ethic and get some time in pocket this year (and next).
Don't agree with that assessment. If he couldn't beat out Ely for the starting spot, then he could not have been expected to outperform him on the field. To say he could would be unfounded and only a hunch. Seems to me he did what a developing NFL quarterback would do - study the defenses and understand when the ball needs to get out and where every single receiver will be on the field so his check downs are crisp and concise. Having a year to study and practice after having two years game experience under your belt is a huge advantage - but only if you have the skills to begin with.
If done productively sure but then a year's playing experience would have done more.
That was based upon coaching decision, to play the transfer from Alabama that threw at shadows. Woodside certainly didn't lose that battle on the game field.
Of course, we'll never know but I hardly think a player makes remarkable jumps in talent or ability in such a short time, personal opinion. The Woodside we're seeing now is not much different than the one we would have seen last year.
Don't know that he made a giant leap in talent or PHYSICAL ability, but I suspect his MENTAL knowledge of defenses and how to read them and check into the best play have improved tremendously and his decision making is a lot better. In 2014 he ran a lot but this year he seems to have a greater command of the entire field and can make plays with his arm rather than his feet which is a good thing because we sure need to keep him healthy.
All of those things, would most likely have been better last year too, all that's being said. A year on the sidelines vs a year on the field? Not sure how anyone doesn't see the advantage of being on the field. He was ready. It was a decision.
However we debate it, we do agree it doesn't appear that he wasted the year.
(10-01-2016 06:11 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 12:26 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]The redshirt year was well spent.
He didn't have this kind of game before.
And he was more accurate last night than in the 1st 3 games. Definitely improving as he gets more game time.
I hate setting records in losses. Totally worthless.
Well, since he set a school record, by definition nobody ever had that kind of game before.
By "game" i meant it in the vernacular of skills.
Dude got game.
(10-01-2016 06:25 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 05:08 PM)rocketpaul Wrote: [ -> ]That was based upon coaching decision, to play the transfer from Alabama that threw at shadows. Woodside certainly didn't lose that battle on the game field.
Don't agree with this above Woodside was way to much of a gunslinger he was beat out because if nothing else he threw too many picks.
This is why redshirting may have helped him more than playing he became a better student of the game and figured out when not to throw it into coverage. The 1 exception on the pick play last night he reminded me of the old gunslinger. Kudos to Logan for taking advantage of his Red-shirt year!!!!
Regarding the highlighted, umm, no. He played in 12 games in 2014 and threw 8 picks. That's not a bad number at all. For comparison Ely threw 10 last year. His QB rating was higher than Ely's last year, and so was his completion percentage at 62%, all when he was just a sophomore.
He had several big games including 340 yards in a big win over CMU, and a 5 TD performance against EMU.
Some forget that he was hurt much of the last half of that season, after the KSU game, and his mobility was pretty significantly hampered. Yet he still played at least some in each remaining game. Also the Rockets had one of the best rushing seasons that year, averaging 250+ yards per game, so he really didn't need to do that much most games.
Not saying the red shirt season didn't help, but I have no reason to believe that UT wouldn't have missed a beat last year if he had to come in and play.
I don't think think we had a QB controversy last season however a few were never impressed by Ely. Frankly I was very impressed with him and was glad we got to see what he could do for at least 1 season.
Woodside looks to have good game management ability and his accuracy gets sharper with every outing. It was a tremendous performance with great numbers. His 2 INTs didn't help but it was obviously the Defense that cost the Rockets a win yesterday.
(10-01-2016 09:39 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 06:25 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2016 05:08 PM)rocketpaul Wrote: [ -> ]That was based upon coaching decision, to play the transfer from Alabama that threw at shadows. Woodside certainly didn't lose that battle on the game field.
Don't agree with this above Woodside was way to much of a gunslinger he was beat out because if nothing else he threw too many picks.
This is why redshirting may have helped him more than playing he became a better student of the game and figured out when not to throw it into coverage. The 1 exception on the pick play last night he reminded me of the old gunslinger. Kudos to Logan for taking advantage of his Red-shirt year!!!!
Regarding the highlighted, umm, no. He played in 12 games in 2014 and threw 8 picks. That's not a bad number at all. For comparison Ely threw 10 last year. His QB rating was higher than Ely's last year, and so was his completion percentage at 62%, all when he was just a sophomore.
He had several big games including 340 yards in a big win over CMU, and a 5 TD performance against EMU.
Some forget that he was hurt much of the last half of that season, after the KSU game, and his mobility was pretty significantly hampered. Yet he still played at least some in each remaining game. Also the Rockets had one of the best rushing seasons that year, averaging 250+ yards per game, so he really didn't need to do that much most games.
Not saying the red shirt season didn't help, but I have no reason to believe that UT wouldn't have missed a beat last year if he had to come in and play.
I don't think think we had a QB controversy last season however a few were never impressed by Ely. Frankly I was very impressed with him and was glad we got to see what he could do for at least 1 season.
Woodside looks to have good game management ability and his accuracy gets sharper with every outing. It was a tremendous performance with great numbers. His 2 INTs didn't help but it was obviously the Defense that cost the Rockets a win yesterday.
D played well briefly in quarter two but that was it. Blame it on altitude or whatever, they never stopped the run and their QB finally figured out how to hit a receiver. One thing that concerns me about a D that had played quite well is the -6 turnover rate. The D has yet to get one turnover nor has special teams. Sacks, hurries, tackles for loss but not one TO.
There were more BYU fans than I could count who came up to us and expressed how impressive Woodside was yesterday, and I was blown away too. BYU's secondary may not have been able to guard a shoe, but Woodside made some great throws too. Dude's got an arm. Closest thing we've had to a real QB in a long time. I'm salivating over seeing what he can do against our MAC schedule.
(10-02-2016 01:01 AM)therockets046 Wrote: [ -> ]There were more BYU fans than I could count who came up to us and expressed how impressive Woodside was yesterday, and I was blown away too. BYU's secondary may not have been able to guard a shoe, but Woodside made some great throws too. Dude's got an arm. Closest thing we've had to a real QB in a long time. I'm salivating over seeing what he can do against our MAC schedule.
What a slap in the face to every other QB.
We have had some pretty good offenses here in the past 25 years....
(10-03-2016 05:59 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2016 01:01 AM)therockets046 Wrote: [ -> ]There were more BYU fans than I could count who came up to us and expressed how impressive Woodside was yesterday, and I was blown away too. BYU's secondary may not have been able to guard a shoe, but Woodside made some great throws too. Dude's got an arm. Closest thing we've had to a real QB in a long time. I'm salivating over seeing what he can do against our MAC schedule.
What a slap in the face to every other QB.
We have had some pretty good offenses here in the past 25 years....
Depends on your definition of a long time. For a Rocket fan 7 months is a long time so, Ely.