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From today's Lewiston Tribune, a fascinating article based on FOIA'ed emails within the UI President & AD offices. A lot here. Could someone please convince another fine academic institution to hire Chuck Staben away from us?

Reposted in entirety:

MOSCOW - In late April, the University of Idaho made a landmark NCAA decision, dropping its football program from the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) to the lower-tier Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) and effectively ending a 22-year run at the highest level of college football.

UI president Chuck Staben formally announced the school's intention to join the Big Sky Conference in a news conference on April 28, more than a month after the Sun Belt Conference chose not to re-up with the Vandals.

The move was controversial. It was met with resistance. Many vehemently disagreed with Staben's vision. Others thought the president acted rashly in making a decision just 58 days after the Sun Belt showed UI the door - that he moved too swiftly without truly combing through the options, or allowing others to materialize.

The Big Sky gave Idaho until May 3 to accept an invitation, but it was widely thought to be more of a soft deadline than an ultimatum, and the league would grant an extension if requested.

Idaho's top athletic administrator was among those who believed the university's best move, for the time being, was to not make a move at all.

According to public records obtained by the Tribune, athletic director Rob Spear drafted an email seven days prior to the Big Sky announcement, listing three reasons that would merit delaying such a decision.

"President Staben, The more I reflect on this decision, the more I think it is important that you delay the Big Sky decision for the following reasons," Spear wrote in an email addressed to himself. "1. We have a number of spring sport championships that will be completely over shadowed with an announcement in May. This would be unfortunate for those student-athletes. 2. Football has endured an investigation and getting removed from the Sun Belt. I don't think it is fair for the student-athletes and coaches to endure another setback. There are a lot of positives heading into next season. 3. An announcement now will tremendously impact fundraising."

The university charged the Tribune $911.14 to furnish the public records, which included 645 email communications sent by, and received by, both Staben and Spear. On May 3, university general counsel responded to an initial email sent by the Tribune, affirming the UI was in receipt of the records request. General counsel began collecting the emails on May 19, but didn't make them available until Aug. 29. According to Idaho law, public records requests must be granted or denied within 10 working days of the request.

Spear, who flanked Staben and sported an unenthused look during points of the April 28 news conference, hasn't backpedaled from his original stance.

"At the time I thought a delayed announcement was important to allow us to focus on season ticket sales and fiscal year-end fundraising," Spear told the Tribune late last week. Idaho's AD also anticipated additional shifting within college football, but noted, "That movement appears to be happening with the Big 12 but it is unlikely that it will trickle far enough down to benefit the University of Idaho."

The Big Sky decision still looms large in Moscow.

According to Spear, the school's fundraising and season ticket sales have both taken hits. A number of the emails obtained by the Tribune came from displeased donors threatening to pull their financial support to the football program.

Between Jan. 1 and May 1, 132 individuals wrote letters to Spear and Staben expressing their opinion. Of those, 45 agreed with the move, while another 87 opposed it.

The Vandals will play the remainder of this season, and the next one, in the Sun Belt before dropping down in 2018. Another casualty of the move is the number of scholarships the UI will have to cut. FCS schools are only allowed 63 scholarships, as opposed to the 85 Idaho can currently hand out as an FBS institution. The Vandals have already taken measures to assure that they'll be NCAA compliant in two years.

In mid-February, Idaho made its case to remain a Sun Belt member, but emails suggest that Staben was preparing for the Big Sky move well before he presented to the SBC's chancellors and presidents on Feb. 15.

In a Jan. 5 message addressed to Spear, Staben wrote: "I feel more strongly that we need to plan to move to Big Sky."

When the SBC declined an option to renew Idaho's lease, the school mulled its options: remain an FBS member by declaring independence, or make an unprecedented move and become the first program to drop down.

The Vandals were Big Sky members for 30 years, from 1965-95, before leaving for the FBS and Big West Conference in 1996.

Spear began to compile, but never finalized, an independent schedule for the 2018 football season.

"While an independent schedule was doable, the schedule would have been extremely challenging," Spear said last week.

The email records also reveal an interesting conversation between Spear and Western Athletic Conference commissioner Jeff Hurd, where Hurd broaches the possibility of reviving the WAC as a football league.

"Rob: Have you had an opportunity to speak with your President regarding football and whether or not he believes the idea of other Big Sky institutions moving to the FBS level could have any legs?" Hurd wrote. "Although (former Big Sky commissioner) Doug Fullerton had interest, one of my concerns is that the new Commissioner might consider it too much of a risk to have on his/her plate right shortly after being hired."

Spear replied: "Jeff, do you have time for a call? I don't want to respond via email...FOIA."

The AD warned about Freedom of Information Act requests in one other email, addressed to Staben.

However, in an email reply addressed to another recipient, Spear wrote: "It may be time to get the WAC to take 6 football schools and form an FBS league. It would certainly save the WAC!"

In another message, he said: "The WAC has traction and I look forward to influencing the Big Sky from within. I know I can convince Montana and Montana State to jump...we need to lock arms with them. And a bowl win changes everything! I know our kids will be motivated!"

Last week, Spear clarified that the WAC would need eight members to become an FBS league and six to become an FCS league.

Although the WAC has expressed interest in reviving football - it originally disbanded in 2012 - other FBS conferences may not find the idea so appealing.

"While the NCAA rules still recognize the WAC as an FBS league, I am not so sure how excited the current FBS conferences are about adding another league and dividing the money with another conference," Spear said last week. He added: "Whatever Idaho does in the future I think it is important that we align with Montana and Montana State."

Spear, who'd always been a staunch advocate of UI retaining its FBS tag, said the UI lacked the private funding to remain "financially competitive" as a member of college football's top tier.

"We would have to invest $5 to $6 million annually into the football program," Spear sad. "This funding was not being provided through private donations and was not going to come at the expense of academic programs."

In multiple emails, however, Spear advises that the decision wasn't his to make. He constantly fed input to Staben, but the ball was in the president's court.

"Ultimately, President Staben made the decision to move to the FCS," Spear said.
NoDak must not be awake yet. This article proves him to be at least about 5% correct.
That 5% correct won't matter if the WAC cannot maintain its basketball auto bid.
E Washington is having fundraising problems for a stadium expansion. UND has not announced a stadium renovation yet. But that could come at Homecoming. UTRGV hasn't officially launched their football yet. Wichita St seems in a waiting pattern. Lamar and Sam Houston St probably would come, but an FCS WAC for a few years doesn't make sense for them. Liberty and l Jacksonville St dearly desire FBS, so they would jump aboard.
(09-29-2016 12:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]E Washington is having fundraising problems for a stadium expansion. UND has not announced a stadium renovation yet. But that could come at Homecoming. UTRGV hasn't officially launched their football yet. Wichita St seems in a waiting pattern. Lamar and Sam Houston St probably would come, but an FCS WAC for a few years doesn't make sense. Liberty and l Jacksonville St dearly desire FBS, so they would jump aboard.

As always, the holdup is the Montanas. We're not joining a conference without them.

Also, Chuck Staben likely needs to find a job elsewhere before anything happens.
(09-29-2016 12:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-29-2016 12:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]E Washington is having fundraising problems for a stadium expansion. UND has not announced a stadium renovation yet. But that could come at Homecoming. UTRGV hasn't officially launched their football yet. Wichita St seems in a waiting pattern. Lamar and Sam Houston St probably would come, but an FCS WAC for a few years doesn't make sense. Liberty and l Jacksonville St dearly desire FBS, so they would jump aboard.

As always, the holdup is the Montanas. We're not joining a conference without them.

Also, Chuck Staben likely needs to find a job elsewhere before anything happens.

North Dakota's IAC will recommend different sports and a different conference to the President before Nov 1. The Big Sky has a huge number of required sports, but the WAC doesnt. The WAC would allow us to drop sports like M/W tennis and would have a smaller travel bill. Something is still up. If we wanted the Slummit, we wouldn't preannouce that we wanted a new conference.

The XDSU'S won't be coming. NDSU has done everything it can to screw UND football and that will continue.
13 doesn't seem like a huge number of sports.
(09-29-2016 12:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-29-2016 12:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]E Washington is having fundraising problems for a stadium expansion. UND has not announced a stadium renovation yet. But that could come at Homecoming. UTRGV hasn't officially launched their football yet. Wichita St seems in a waiting pattern. Lamar and Sam Houston St probably would come, but an FCS WAC for a few years doesn't make sense. Liberty and l Jacksonville St dearly desire FBS, so they would jump aboard.

As always, the holdup is the Montanas. We're not joining a conference without them.

Also, Chuck Staben likely needs to find a job elsewhere before anything happens.

From my FOIA request, it was obvious that the Montanas, Idaho and UND were a team, and united in a big endeavor.
(09-29-2016 01:06 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ]13 doesn't seem like a huge number of sports.

Two of them are football and hockey.
(09-29-2016 01:06 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ]13 doesn't seem like a huge number of sports.
A DI school only needs 14. UND already has M/W hockey and M/W swimming. We need to get down to 16 or 17, instead of 20 we now have. The WAC will allow that, while the BSC doesnt. We had a to add men's tennis to get in the BSC, but don't have an on campus tennis facility and don't plan on it.
HA! Love trying to inject UND into the Idaho-Montana-Montana St partnership.

Sorry, there's a little thing called "geography", invalidating that dream.


As to the FBS WAC dream, this seals its fate:

Quote:"While the NCAA rules still recognize the WAC as an FBS league, I am not so sure how excited the current FBS conferences are about adding another league and dividing the money with another conference,"

The rules would be rewritten, at the behest of all ten other FBS leagues, to disallow the WAC to revive FBS football. Simple fact.



That said, I could be convinced into believing that two FCS western conferences is a good thing, and possible. But I certainly don't believe UND has any business being in either of them, especially once its non-FB/non-hockey sports join the Summit.

Big Sky football: Montana, Montana St, Idaho, Idaho St, Weber St, E Wash, NAU, SUU

WAC or Big West football: Sac St, UC Davis, Cal Poly, San Diego, Portland St, N Colo .... six is enough for an auto-bid to start
(09-29-2016 02:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]HA! Love trying to inject UND into the Idaho-Montana-Montana St partnership.

There's just that pesky detail that Idaho had it written into their agreement to re-join the Big Sky that they could walk away from the deal (and get their advance money back) if any one of THREE schools was not in the Big Sky when they joined.

The three schools?

Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
(09-29-2016 02:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]HA! Love trying to inject UND into the Idaho-Montana-Montana St partnership.

Sorry, there's a little thing called "geography", invalidating that dream.


As to the FBS WAC dream, this seals its fate:

Quote:"While the NCAA rules still recognize the WAC as an FBS league, I am not so sure how excited the current FBS conferences are about adding another league and dividing the money with another conference,"

The rules would be rewritten, at the behest of all ten other FBS leagues, to disallow the WAC to revive FBS football. Simple fact.



That said, I could be convinced into believing that two FCS western conferences is a good thing, and possible. But I certainly don't believe UND has any business being in either of them, especially once its non-FB/non-hockey sports join the Summit.

Big Sky football: Montana, Montana St, Idaho, Idaho St, Weber St, E Wash, NAU, SUU

WAC or Big West football: Sac St, UC Davis, Cal Poly, San Diego, Portland St, N Colo .... six is enough for an auto-bid to start
Yep. Two FCS conferences are viable and in my opinion, necessary. A FCS WAC is necessary for survival. There are quite a few good D2 candidates to pull from that play football.
I also believe that it is necessary because the Big Sky at 14 fb schools doesn't give the a school the conference title. So a split is needed so as school can win the conference and get an title along with the auto bid.
Sica,

So if UND walks from the Big Sky after this season, Idaho isn't going to still partner up with Montana and Montana St in the Big Sky????

Bulls____ ... and you know it.
Just wondering, has anyone actually seen this document stating they listed UND? If so, can you post the link to the document? Or to a story confirming it? Anything?

(09-29-2016 02:23 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-29-2016 02:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]HA! Love trying to inject UND into the Idaho-Montana-Montana St partnership.

There's just that pesky detail that Idaho had it written into their agreement to re-join the Big Sky that they could walk away from the deal (and get their advance money back) if any one of THREE schools was not in the Big Sky when they joined.

The three schools?

Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
UND, Idaho, and the Montanas have a lot in common academically and how they serve their states. NDSU was asked repeatedly by Fullerton to join them, but he only seemed to get abused.
Yeah, UND totally has that college of agriculture like Montana St and Idaho do. 07-coffee3
(09-29-2016 01:16 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-29-2016 01:06 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ]13 doesn't seem like a huge number of sports.
A DI school only needs 14. UND already has M/W hockey and M/W swimming. We need to get down to 16 or 17, instead of 20 we now have. The WAC will allow that, while the BSC doesnt. We had a to add men's tennis to get in the BSC, but don't have an on campus tennis facility and don't plan on it.

If you can't afford men's tennis and there's no way in hell you could afford FBS football
I know some schools that have Tennis: Denver, Omaha, South Dakota, South Dakota St.

I bet UND could save a lot of money sending their tennis team's to play those schools, instead of Portland St, Sac St, etc.
(09-29-2016 02:40 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, UND totally has that college of agriculture like Montana St and Idaho do. 07-coffee3

Agriculture is not so much in demand at the moment. UND has a Med School, an engineering and mines school, a Law school, and a major aviation school thats plowing new ground with UAVs.
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