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(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 10:58 AM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 07:23 AM)moehler Wrote: [ -> ]question for GS fans, what has your coach done in the first 4 games that makes you doubt him?

I just think he is just over his skis a good bit. To be expected being his first HC job but this is not rec league being young does not get you extra time. This goes with worrying about background noise in the media and fans as well. Saban could give a crap about what any fan thinks or posts on a message board and or social media.

The offense is just all over the place. Why we are trying deep timing routes or think we have the QB's to throw folks open or go through progressions is beyond me.

It should be quick throws just past the LB's if they are cheating up. Unless we are sneaking a RB into the pass pattern where he has a chance of being uncovered going down field has been a coin flip at best.

We have three stud RB's with two fast QB's yet we just gave WMU 14 points off INT's. I truly believe we win that game keeping it on the ground with Ellison playing the entire game.

I get wanting to have a more dynamic offense but start that crap next year with a QB that was recruited for it. These are option QB's with very limited passing skills. Pass plays need to be very simplistic and easy decisions. Snap, throw and or not open throw it away or run immediately.

On D the DB youth has shown up quite a bit. Hard to pin it just on him but a DB not looking back is one of the biggest things that drives me crazy. I don't get it at all, if you don't look at the ball you are going to get flagged at minimum and likely not going to stop the catch.

That is just my opinion and everybody has there own but bottom line we should be as good if not much better than last year and we just are not by any stretch of the imagination. They have one foot in the option and one foot in whatever you want to call their offense they are trying to implement and it is not working. We are just out athleting the teams we are beating the good teams with equal or better talent are going to kick our asses IMO.

I love a good keyboard coach rant.

Name one thing that is not true or has truth to it.

(09-28-2016 03:34 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote: [ -> ]The option is going to obliterate us...should be fun :D

I would agree if we were still a good option team. It seems the only "option" this offense has is run into a wall, throw a 50/50 pass, or punt.

(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]I love a good keyboard coach rant.

This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

(09-28-2016 06:21 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]I love a good keyboard coach rant.

This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

Please, we all know what happens when Southern stops running the option.

(09-28-2016 06:45 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:21 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]I love a good keyboard coach rant.

This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

Please, we all know what happens when Southern stops running the option.

The option has worked better because its an offense that gets the most out of speed instead of size. It does not have to be the flexbone or what GT runs but If we try and be AL being in the 70's at best so far in recruiting we might as well go back to the FCS.

(09-28-2016 08:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:45 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:21 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]I love a good keyboard coach rant.

This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

Please, we all know what happens when Southern stops running the option.

The option has worked better because its an offense that gets the most out of speed instead of size. It does not have to be the flexbone or what GT runs but If we try and be AL being in the 70's at best so far in recruiting we might as well go back to the FCS.

eh. You do what you can. What you ran the past two years worked for you, yet the coaching staff is trying to alter things to suit what they like, much like Arkansas States hiring of a new OC who screwed their O-Line by changing blocking schemes.

Imagine if App went from a zone stretch to an off tackle and dive team out of the shotgun 80 plays a game. App would turn into 2014 Troy. Southern abandoning the option would be the same as inviting Hatcher back to take your 52-14 spanking in Boone. Sadly, the only team in the Sun Belt capable of doing that right now are Troy and App State so you may never see that concern come to fruition.

(09-29-2016 01:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 08:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:45 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:21 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]I love a good keyboard coach rant.

This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

Please, we all know what happens when Southern stops running the option.

The option has worked better because its an offense that gets the most out of speed instead of size. It does not have to be the flexbone or what GT runs but If we try and be AL being in the 70's at best so far in recruiting we might as well go back to the FCS.

eh. You do what you can. What you ran the past two years worked for you, yet the coaching staff is trying to alter things to suit what they like, much like Arkansas States hiring of a new OC who screwed their O-Line by changing blocking schemes.

Schematically there isn't much of a difference between Fritz and Tyson.

It comes down to execution.

(09-29-2016 05:24 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016 01:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 08:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:45 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:21 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

Please, we all know what happens when Southern stops running the option.

The option has worked better because its an offense that gets the most out of speed instead of size. It does not have to be the flexbone or what GT runs but If we try and be AL being in the 70's at best so far in recruiting we might as well go back to the FCS.

eh. You do what you can. What you ran the past two years worked for you, yet the coaching staff is trying to alter things to suit what they like, much like Arkansas States hiring of a new OC who screwed their O-Line by changing blocking schemes.

Schematically there isn't much of a difference between Fritz and Tyson.

It comes down to execution.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Ruse used disguise in his formations with lots of motion pre-snap and misdirection post-snap. Gillespe and Dean telegraph the play resulting in more straight dives and speed option that gets blown by the safety. There's no 2nd level blocking by the OLine and pulling guards slow down the play. The stacked box was used the last two years with the difference being big plays when the runner got through - he's not getting through in 4 games this year.

(09-29-2016 06:39 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016 05:24 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016 01:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 08:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:45 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]Please, we all know what happens when Southern stops running the option.

The option has worked better because its an offense that gets the most out of speed instead of size. It does not have to be the flexbone or what GT runs but If we try and be AL being in the 70's at best so far in recruiting we might as well go back to the FCS.

eh. You do what you can. What you ran the past two years worked for you, yet the coaching staff is trying to alter things to suit what they like, much like Arkansas States hiring of a new OC who screwed their O-Line by changing blocking schemes.

Schematically there isn't much of a difference between Fritz and Tyson.

It comes down to execution.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Ruse used disguise in his formations with lots of motion pre-snap and misdirection post-snap. Gillespe and Dean telegraph the play resulting in more straight dives and speed option that gets blown by the safety. There's no 2nd level blocking by the OLine and pulling guards slow down the play. The stacked box was used the last two years with the difference being big plays when the runner got through - he's not getting through in 4 games this year.

Disguise with pre-snap motions.. You mean when we'd run the WR into the box prenap, but he would never have anything to do with the play other than sucking another defender in. I firmly believe someone told his to stop running that play halfway through the Bowling Green game, because once he stopped we blew the doors off of them. I never understood why Ruse wouldn't use that incoming WR as a quick hand off much like Auburn would do.

I agree, the 2nd level blocking is non-existent.

(09-29-2016 01:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 08:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:45 PM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 06:21 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]I love a good keyboard coach rant.

This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

Please, we all know what happens when Southern stops running the option.

The option has worked better because its an offense that gets the most out of speed instead of size. It does not have to be the flexbone or what GT runs but If we try and be AL being in the 70's at best so far in recruiting we might as well go back to the FCS.

eh. You do what you can. What you ran the past two years worked for you, yet the coaching staff is trying to alter things to suit what they like, much like Arkansas States hiring of a new OC who screwed their O-Line by changing blocking schemes.

Imagine if App went from a zone stretch to an off tackle and dive team out of the shotgun 80 plays a game. App would turn into 2014 Troy. Southern abandoning the option would be the same as inviting Hatcher back to take your 52-14 spanking in Boone. Sadly, the only team in the Sun Belt capable of doing that right now are Troy and App State so you may never see that concern come to fruition.

You guys didn't even run the zone stretch at the beginning of 2014. Ya'll looked more like an Air Raid team then than anything else. Things got changed up midseason and your team improved dramatically.

Some of that was your (still) new head coach figuring things out. We're just going through some of that same stuff right now.

Offensive line coach has reduced the splits between the linemen and changed technique.

Since the first quarter of Toledo, we've eliminated the zone read and QB draw.
We've eliminated pre-snap motion from the offense.
When we call for the jet sweep it is with a guy who has average Sun Belt speed not the guy who was the fastest dude in the Big XII.
WTF signs for everyone.

I don't know, even with bad coaching, it seems the disparity in level of talent would be too much for GaSo to overcome.

(09-29-2016 02:36 PM)APPrising Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know, even with bad coaching, it seems the disparity in level of talent would be too much for GaSo to overcome.

After last year, I can see why you feel that. But this is a new year.

(09-28-2016 06:21 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2016 03:36 PM)tapate50 Wrote: [ -> ]I love a good keyboard coach rant.

This year has not been an overly good coaching job, and that's not debatable.

Matt Breida was the all-time FBS leader in career yards per carry before this year and now he's averaging 4 yards a carry. We've got a talented OL that frequently looks lost and and confused.

We've had to scrap some of our looks because they just haven't been working. Some of our blocking schemes don't make sense, and that's just me saying that from watching option-run offenses for a while.

For next year Rance Gillespie and David Dean either need to dial up Willie Fritz and Doug Ruse and learn to run this offense or just blow it up and run a balanced spread offense with Seth Shuman.

I think that has been the plan all along...

(09-27-2016 01:34 PM)Rik Flair Wrote: [ -> ]I am still optomistic. stAte has the talent to compete, the question is whether they can develop into a team. Bad start is completely on the coaching staff. If they pull together, they can win or at least be competitive in every game left. Not saying they beat Ga So, but wouldn't surprise me if it happened. Regardless, I will be in the stands until the horn sounds, win or lose.

And if stAte found a way to win, all the fans that are in hiding will be back on this board with a vengeance

Wrong Rik, i have had it! No more tickets, no more checks. My interest is strictly passive and will be. I simply cannot and will not tolerate the incompetent of this coaching staff.

(10-01-2016 08:42 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2016 01:34 PM)Rik Flair Wrote: [ -> ]I am still optomistic. stAte has the talent to compete, the question is whether they can develop into a team. Bad start is completely on the coaching staff. If they pull together, they can win or at least be competitive in every game left. Not saying they beat Ga So, but wouldn't surprise me if it happened. Regardless, I will be in the stands until the horn sounds, win or lose.

And if stAte found a way to win, all the fans that are in hiding will be back on this board with a vengeance

Wrong Rik, i have had it! No more tickets, no more checks. My interest is strictly passive and will be. I simply cannot and will not tolerate the incompetent of this coaching staff.

We survived it. Hang in there.

I'll be there whether they're playing well or not.
Even if they don't turn things around this year, we're gonna ruin a few dreams (of our opponents) before it's all said and done.

Quitters....meh.

I'm a little concerned about this one as there are so many mitigating factors working against GS.

We haven't looked great all season and our last game just showed the best way to expose our (until-then-solid) defense.

It's also a weird Wednesday night start on the road, in conference and far out of the travelling reach of most of our fans.

Above all else, I'm fearful that Arkansas State will have figured something out over the last 10 days. They deserve every bit of their 0-4 mark, but that doesn't mean there isn't plenty of potential.

If both teams play at the same level, I like the Eagles. But if GS continues to be in some sort of fog while the Red Wolves realize that they've overslept the start of the season by a month, it's going to be a tough game for GS to pull out.

I'm concerned about every game we have left.

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