So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
(09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
Did 'how much someone makes' matter when the issue was religion?
(09-07-2016 11:05 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
Did 'how much someone makes' matter when the issue was religion?
Ma n Pa store w/ owner refusal vs. minimum wage making employee of major grocery chain going out on their own.
Apples and oranges situation.
(09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
if she's a baker/cake designer and can only pull in $8.50 an hour, then she must be a moonbat liberal who craps her pants.
(09-07-2016 11:08 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 11:05 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
Did 'how much someone makes' matter when the issue was religion?
Ma n Pa store w/ owner refusal vs. minimum wage making employee of major grocery chain going out on their own.
Apples and oranges situation.
Correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't the bakery refuse to sell them a cake knowing it was for a gay wedding? vs. just a simple message refusal? Can't remember.
liberals are so tolerant... unless you disagree with their views.
(09-07-2016 11:09 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
if she's a baker/cake designer and can only pull in $8.50 an hour, then she must be a moonbat liberal who craps her pants.
I had the exact job she has in high school, in an Albertson's, in Idaho. At most, $10-12. More likely, < $9.
(09-07-2016 11:08 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 11:05 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
Did 'how much someone makes' matter when the issue was religion?
Ma n Pa store w/ owner refusal vs. minimum wage making employee of major grocery chain going out on their own.
Apples and oranges situation.
so it's okay to discriminate if you're an employee of a national chain, but not an owner of a small local shop?
Of course no two situations are the same.... that's why people like you have jobs.... but if the employee had refused to serve them because they were black, would that be okay with you?
Should the employee have been fired? Would they have been if they had refused to put 'black lives matter' on a cake citing the same 'copyright' excuse?
I'm not upset about what happened at all. To some degree, you're right... it's a stupid employee not understanding AT ALL what 'discrimination' or 'public accommodation' means... but that is precisely my point... and rather than make it clear so that we don't continue to have such things happen, you're actually obfuscating the issue. Job security I suppose.
Actually it's more like an orange in California to an orange in Texas or Florida. The issue (the right to refuse service) is the same. This isn't a court of law, but a conversation among 'people'... and among 'people', such nuances are counter-productive.
So free Trump cake?
You'd think the employee would be smart enough to know that their political opinion is irrelevant.
But, it begs the question, does she sympathize with the gay wedding cake folks now?
(09-07-2016 11:10 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 11:08 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 11:05 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
Did 'how much someone makes' matter when the issue was religion?
Ma n Pa store w/ owner refusal vs. minimum wage making employee of major grocery chain going out on their own.
Apples and oranges situation.
so it's okay to discriminate if you're an employee of a national chain, but not an owner of a small local shop?
Of course no two situations are the same.... that's why people like you have jobs.... but if the employee had refused to serve them because they were black, would that be okay with you?
Should the employee have been fired? Would they have been if they had refused to put 'black lives matter' on a cake citing the same 'copyright' excuse?
I'm not upset about what happened at all. To some degree, you're right... it's a stupid employee not understanding AT ALL what 'discrimination' or 'public accommodation' means... but that is precisely my point... and rather than make it clear so that we don't continue to have such things happen, you're actually obfuscating the issue. Job security I suppose.
I never said that. I was highlighting why these situations are not the same. One is a business with a clear message being delivered top down vs. one having an employee going rogue. They are different.
Yes. I would have fired the employee.
(09-07-2016 11:21 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]I never said that. I was highlighting why these situations are not the same. One is a business with a clear message being delivered top down vs. one having an employee going rogue. They are different.
Yes. I would have fired the employee.
You're arguing a nuanced legal position (one which I'm convinced you could argue the opposite if that was for your client's benefit) on a public forum... and I'm arguing the public issue.
All this does in MY Mind is encourage ne'er do well people (trouble makers) to try and get hired to such positions and then 'make a statement' for their 15 minutes of fame... or even for a disgruntled employee to tarnish their employers reputation through such an act. I mean, this is hardly GOOD news for Albertsons... and if Albertsons was owned by a staunch Democrat, I'm sure they'd be somehow drug through the mud.
The FAR better public position is to strongly discourage people from 'going rogue'...
I'd note that you agree you'd fire the employee... so if it's important enough of an issue that you'd fire someone, why isn't it important enough to be discussed on this forum?
It's not like we're vilifying the specific employee or the chain... we're merely pointing out that such things are bad, whether you are the owner of a small business OR a menial employee.
(09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
But if it had been an Albertson's employee making $8.50 an hour refused to decorate a cake for a gay wedding you leftists would be screaming for Albertson's to be shut down. Such hypocrisy on the left as always.
Quote:I'd note that you agree you'd fire the employee... so if it's important enough of an issue that you'd fire someone, why isn't it important enough to be discussed on this forum?
Because I knew it'd immediately devolve into mindless posters like usmbacker and UTSA pointing at posters and yelling "see! hypocrites!" without actually particpating in a conversation.
SpinRoom gets kind of dull/boring/uninspiring when huddled pals throw mud across the room and go back to circle jerking.
(09-07-2016 12:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I'd note that you agree you'd fire the employee... so if it's important enough of an issue that you'd fire someone, why isn't it important enough to be discussed on this forum?
Because I knew it'd immediately devolve into mindless posters like usmbacker and UTSA pointing at posters and yelling "see! hypocrites!" without actually particpating in a conversation.
SpinRoom gets kind of dull/boring/uninspiring when huddled pals throw mud across the room and go back to circle jerking.
yada, yada, yada....If only we were all brilliant like you.
(09-07-2016 12:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I'd note that you agree you'd fire the employee... so if it's important enough of an issue that you'd fire someone, why isn't it important enough to be discussed on this forum?
Because I knew it'd immediately devolve into mindless posters like usmbacker and UTSA pointing at posters and yelling "see! hypocrites!" without actually particpating in a conversation.
SpinRoom gets kind of dull/boring/uninspiring when huddled pals throw mud across the room and go back to circle jerking.
yet you still clicked on the thread...
(09-07-2016 11:10 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 11:09 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2016 10:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]So an Albertsons employee, making $8.50 an hour, chose to get political. Cool story.
if she's a baker/cake designer and can only pull in $8.50 an hour, then she must be a moonbat liberal who craps her pants.
I had the exact job she has in high school, in an Albertson's, in Idaho. At most, $10-12. More likely, < $9.
Thanks for confirming my post.