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Sorry I disappeared, my iPad won't let me view the site. Anyway.... Here's my new inneration of realignment. Create 16 teams conferences within the following parameters: (# of teams/raided conference(s))

Pac-12: (4/MWC-W)
Big XII: (6/B1G-W, AAC-W, SEC-W, MWC-E)
Big 10: (2/AAC-E, ACC-N, NOTRE DAME)
SEC: (2/BIG XII-S, ACC-S, CUSA, SBC)
ACC: (3/SEC-E, CUSA, SBC)

Once again, I fully expect you to fight the hypothetical, but I'm still curious what you come up with.
How do raided conferences respond?
Big XII SOUTH=The Texas schools and possibly OU and OSU
ACC SOUTH=The traditional ACC schools

(09-05-2016 10:30 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry I disappeared, my iPad won't let me view the site. Anyway.... Here's my new inneration of realignment. Create 16 teams conferences within the following parameters: (# of teams/raided conference(s))

Pac-12: (4/MWC-W)
Big XII: (6/B1G-W, AAC-W, SEC-W, MWC-E)
Big 10: (2/AAC-E, ACC-N, NOTRE DAME)
SEC: (2/BIG XII-S, ACC-S, CUSA, SBC)
ACC: (3/SEC-E, CUSA, SBC)

Once again, I fully expect you to fight the hypothetical, but I'm still curious what you come up with.
How do raided conferences respond?
Big XII SOUTH=The Texas schools and possibly OU and OSU
ACC SOUTH=The traditional ACC schools

No to superconferences and yes to status quo is my vote. I don't think that 4x16 will ever happen in real life.

Besides that, your hypo is unrealistic since, for instance, there are three things (four if you count ND's long standing aversion to the Big Ten) in the way of your "ND to the Big Ten" scenario:

1) ND and the rest of the ACC are locked up in a GOR through 2036,

2) the ACC exit fee is substantial and an impediment on top of the GOR, and

3) ND signed a contract with the ACC that requires football to join the ACC (only) if it gives up football independence.

Id like to see the conferences be more regional in nature..but..no super conferences.

Hate to shoot you down, but like TerryD said I just don't see 4x16 happening for a variety of reasons.

One or two conferences may go to 16, but the remaining would just backfill.

I wasn't NECESSARILY saying EVERY conference went to 16. I was ignoring exit fees as well.

Here's my modified hypothetical: using the parameters I set, pull apart the BIG XII and AAC (the vulnerable conferences IMO)

No problem.


#TeamMegaconference
Atlantic Division: UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, WVU, UofL
Coastal Division: Clemson, USC-E, UGAg, GT, TN, FSU, UF, Auburn, UK
Southeastern Division: Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, TAMU, Texas, Vandy, Miami
Plains Division: Baylor, TCU, TTU, OU, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Permanent Rivals:
Duke-GT, TN-VT, FSU-Miami, Clemson-NCST, UNC-SC, UofL-UK, Auburn-Alabama, Vandy-WF, Texas-OU, TAMU-TCU, Baylor-TTU, OklahomaSt-Arkansas, UVA-Mizzou, Nebraska-UGAg (Corndawgs!), UF-LSU, Pitt-KState, Ole Miss-Kansas, WVU-MissState

Other Definite Megaconferences: B1G+Pac-12+UCONN+ND+BC+Cuse
Plausible Other Megaconferences: SE Sun Belt + SE C-USA + SE AAC || MWC + Gulf Sun Belt + Gulf C-USA + Gulf AAC + Plausible FCS callups (NDSU/Montana/etc)
Surviving Largely Unchanged: MAC
Surviving Independents: Service Academies

- Nobody screwed over, everybody still in, everybody makes more money. This also means no political moves to stop/change things.
- IDEAL conference scheduling. You can have 4 division games and 4 teams with a bye, or 4 division games and 2 crossover games.
- Spring game replaced by exhibition game against FCS that does not count against standings. Game sold as part of season ticket sales at near game prices.
- No more games against FCS during the regular season.
- Out of conference scheduling would likely creep down to just one game a year (a big pre-season game at a neutral site or OOC rivalry) to maximize TV inventory and minimize scheduling costs by eliminating "paycheck" games and expensive cancellation replacements.
- The two megaconferences have four TV channels dedicated just to them with divisional representative HQ locations
--- ACC/SEC/Big12: Dallas, Birmingham, Atlanta, Charlotte
--- B1G/Pac12/ND/BC/UCONN/Cuse: New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, (Denver/Seattle/Boston/San Francisco)

... How convenient that there are already ESPN and FOX studios in nearly all of those cities ...


- 16 team playoff, just like with FCS.
- Each division champ in the power megaconferences are autobid => 8 teams.
--- If G5 conferences remain unchanged ... autobid from any undefeated G5.
--- If the G5 reorganizes into megaconferences, then they can get conference based autobids. I could see that rule leading to a world where the G5 becomes two megaconferences:
------ 1) MAC + NE AAC/C-USA/Sun Belt + MWC
------ 2) SE/Gulf AAC/C-USA/Sun Belt
------ The service academies could go either way or broker a deal between them to stay independent.
- In either case, fill remaining slots at large by committee.



So, demonstrating that ultimately the G5 gets a win out of this too:
- Increased revenue due to above restructuring of rules/pre-season/etc
- If they're willing to play ball and form their own megaconferences, they get the bonuses of:
--- Guaranteed playoff access and thus a guaranteed big paycheck
--- Guaranteed national exposure via playoff
--- Guaranteed big time game against big boys via playoff
--- Decreased travel costs
--- Increased gate/TV revenue due to better more regional schedule


And that ladies and gents is how you maximize revenue FOR EVERYBODY involved, realign everybody towards their ideal, and not create a situation where people are getting screwed over and thus political forces come into play. As a bonus, this group is big enough to start putting in place more sane recruiting restrictions (which everybody wants), and maybe work towards restoring financial sanity in college football with staff/facility/spending caps (which the 10-15 or so biggest football factories do NOT want, but which everybody ELSE does).








Got any other situations I can solve for you? Peace in the middle east? Special relativity? Quantum physics?

(09-06-2016 11:32 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2016 10:30 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry I disappeared, my iPad won't let me view the site. Anyway.... Here's my new inneration of realignment. Create 16 teams conferences within the following parameters: (# of teams/raided conference(s))

Pac-12: (4/MWC-W)
Big XII: (6/B1G-W, AAC-W, SEC-W, MWC-E)
Big 10: (2/AAC-E, ACC-N, NOTRE DAME)
SEC: (2/BIG XII-S, ACC-S, CUSA, SBC)
ACC: (3/SEC-E, CUSA, SBC)

Once again, I fully expect you to fight the hypothetical, but I'm still curious what you come up with.
How do raided conferences respond?
Big XII SOUTH=The Texas schools and possibly OU and OSU
ACC SOUTH=The traditional ACC schools

No to superconferences and yes to status quo is my vote. I don't think that 4x16 will ever happen in real life.

Besides that, your hypo is unrealistic since, for instance, there are three things (four if you count ND's long standing aversion to the Big Ten) in the way of your "ND to the Big Ten" scenario:

1) ND and the rest of the ACC are locked up in a GOR through 2036,

2) the ACC exit fee is substantial and an impediment on top of the GOR, and

3) ND signed a contract with the ACC that requires football to join the ACC (only) if it gives up football independence.

I took the OP to posit five conferences of 16 each, not four. As hard as I try, I can't make that work in any way that is remotely feasible. Basically, you would have to blow up the AAC, and gut the MWC, and leave the Big XII with a majority of former G5 members.

I see no reason to change the status quo, but if the Big XII were to add Houston and Cincy, it could end right there with no more changes.

(09-06-2016 11:32 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think that 4x16 will ever happen in real life.

No, but that 4x16 idea is perpetually Undead.
There's always another walker.

(09-06-2016 12:47 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't NECESSARILY saying EVERY conference went to 16. I was ignoring exit fees as well.

Here's my modified hypothetical: using the parameters I set, pull apart the BIG XII and AAC (the vulnerable conferences IMO)

You asked for it. My solution, if I was the czar of CFB. A lot of people won't like it, thus why it will never happen:

How it happens

Big 12 splits up
Kansas and Texas to Big 10
Oklahoma and Oklahoma St to SEC
UNM and Texas Tech to PAC12
West Virginia and UConn to ACC
Baylor, Rice, and Southern Miss to AAC
KSU, ISU, and TCU to Mountain West


The New Landscape

SEC:

East: Scar, UGA, UT, Vandy, UK, UF, Alabama, Auburn
West: Missouri, Arkansas, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU, A&M, OK, OK St

9 game schedule, no permanent opponents. Play every school in 4 years instead of current 5.

Big Ten:

West: Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern
East: Indiana, Purdue, Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Same setup as SEC

PAC 12:

North: Oregon, Or St, Wash, Wash St, Utah, Colorado, Stanford
South: UCLA, So Cal, Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, UNM, Texas Tech

No easy way to break up the Cal schools but this makes the most sense to me. Hardly a North/South alignment but such is life. 6-3 schedule, maybe permanent opponents for Cal/Stanford.

ACC:

North: Syracuse, BC, Pitt, WVU, UConn, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami (old rivals)
South: Virginia, NC Schools, Clemson, Ga Tech, FSU

Yes I realize this is basically the old ACC vs. the old Big east. But it just makes sense. Like everyone else they have a 9 game conference schedule with 2 non-permanent opponents. ND factors in too.

The Lower Leagues

AAC East: Cincinnati, ECU, Temple, UCF, USF, Navy, Memphis
AAC West: Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Rice, Southern Miss, Baylor

MWC East: Air Force, Utah St, Colorado St, Wyoming, TCU, Kansas St, Iowa St
MWC West: Nevada, Boise St, UNLV, SDSU, Hawaii, Fresno St, San Jose St

Winners: Big Ten, New Mexico, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, West Virginia, UConn
Losers: Pac 12 California Schools, Virginia Tech, Baylor, TCU, Kansas St, Iowa St

New World Order

Four Power conferences. Two mid-level conferences. Three lower conferences.

Eight team playoff. Four auto bids, one auto bid for mid and low level conferences. Three at large.

(09-06-2016 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]I see no reason to change the status quo, but if the Big XII were to add Houston and Cincy, it could end right there with no more changes.

This is, by far, the most likely scenario for the near future.

Would this hypothetical conference work? (They were originally BIG XII candidates in my head)

UTAH ST.
CSU
UNM
BOISE ST
HOUSTON
SMU
TULSA
TULANE
UTEP
RICE
LA TECH
BYU

How do the raided conferences (MWC, AAC, CUSA) pick up the pieces?

A highly unlikely scenario, but one that doesn't break (many) existing commitments:

PAC adds Boise, BYU, San Diego State and New Mexico to a Mountain Division, joining Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado.

SEC adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

Big Ten adds Texas and Kansas.

ACC adds Notre Dame and UConn.

Big XII adds Houston, Colorado State, and Air Force in the west, and East Carolina, Cincinnati, Memphis, USF, UCF, Temple and Tulane in the east (joining with West Virginia).

UTEP and New Mexico State bring the MWC back to 9 members.

SMU, Tulsa and Texas State join CUSA, which considers breaking up into two 8 team conferences, one in the east and one in the west.

I get a huge bonus to help me hire bodyguards to keep the fans of all these schools from tearing me limb from limb.

Ken: Don't like 'horns to B1G, and I HATE your Big XII east! Big XII should bounce WVU and concentrate on the Rocky Mtn region for expansion.

P5 with 4 berths is the way to go because it makes opening weekend as big as it was for the playoff picture. P4 and there is no incentive to schedule top OOC opponents, meaning at least 4 useless games on the schedule for every team.

(09-06-2016 02:40 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Ken: Don't like 'horns to B1G, and I HATE your Big XII east! Big XII should bounce WVU and concentrate on the Rocky Mtn region for expansion.

So do I, but the PAC is going to have first pick of the MWC - even hypothetically. And the Big XII is going to get last pick, behind the B1G, SEC and ACC, so they have to take what's left. If they "bounce" West Virginia, who are they going to replace them with? The fact they would have to take Tulane for #16 tells you there is nobody left worth taking.

They could grab BYU and/or the AAC-W Teams.

(09-06-2016 03:40 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]They could grab BYU and/or the AAC-W Teams.

Sorry, BYU is off the board to the PAC. And they did take the AAC west teams (in my fantasy), except SMU and Tulsa. Considering that WVU is a Top 25 teams in win% since the FBS split, you aren't going to kick them out in favor of either of those two. In fact, you aren't going to kick them out at all.

(09-06-2016 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]A highly unlikely scenario, but one that doesn't break (many) existing commitments:

PAC adds Boise, BYU, San Diego State and New Mexico to a Mountain Division, joining Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado.

SEC adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

Big Ten adds Texas and Kansas.

ACC adds Notre Dame and UConn.

Big XII adds Houston, Colorado State, and Air Force in the west, and East Carolina, Cincinnati, Memphis, USF, UCF, Temple and Tulane in the east (joining with West Virginia).

UTEP and New Mexico State bring the MWC back to 9 members.

SMU, Tulsa and Texas State join CUSA, which considers breaking up into two 8 team conferences, one in the east and one in the west.

I get a huge bonus to help me hire bodyguards to keep the fans of all these schools from tearing me limb from limb.

I would disagree with two of your PAC adds. The Pac 12 cares about academics, and Boise State is not at an academic level to join, and the SoCal schools will block San Diego State. Maybe adding Air Force and Hawaii to your BYU and UNM predictions...

Next we could just pay the players and not make them go to class. Sounds great. Somebody should have thought of this years ago.

(09-06-2016 09:32 PM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]Next we could just pay the players and not make them go to class. Sounds great. Somebody should have thought of this years ago.

#the_carolina_way