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The TOLEDO ROCKETS are 3 point dogs at ASU. Ill take the bet, we win by 14 and rush for 250.

...I'm not so optimistic about this game. We have beaten them several times in a row, beat their in-state and hated rival, and we have an uncertain defensive backfield yet again. Deep, but Norrils is gone. It is on their field and this will be a huge statement game for them. If the offense can move the ball and run the clock, I like our chances. On defense, we have a lot to prove with the losses on the d-line. It will give further insight into Candle's head coaching abilities and that of the essentially entirely new staff. I will probably bet on Ark St. to win by more than 3, then be happy if UT wins the game. I'll use that happiness to offset the loss of say $20. It's called hedging. Maybe I can start my own hedge fund based on pessimistic fans desire to not lose money and the game at the same time.

This isnt a spread I would bet on because for the first time since 2012 we have some unknowns.

We did pound them the last two seasons though. StAte is a highly penalyzed and high hype sort of team. If we jump on them early (like we have against them and BG in recent years) ,we will be just fine. They arent going to stop #2 and #3.

If we lose we give up more than 30 points. Toledo has been in this early season underdog spot before. We're always looked over! Our guys should take being underdogs as an insult.

HEAD 41-28 Rockets
HEART 41- 14 Rockets
EARS 30-28 stAte

Not sure what that even means... But if you listen to their board you might be betting on the ears too.

It's probably mostly based on their QB. It could be tough if he's a quick release type guy. Best thing might be to keep him off the field as long as possible. If our D can't cover it could be a close one.

796bbbbPlease, these are the same morons last season that had Toledo as a 21 point dog to Arkansas, 7 point dog to BGSUX, and 2 point dog to Temple
Rockets were favored by 3 in the GoDaddy.com Bowl and 7 @the Glass Bowl over the Redwolves. How did those games turn out?

I take it as an insult that we're the underdogs to a team we curb-stomped the past two meetings. Hopefully our players get some extra motivation from this and really take it to them for a 3rd straight time. If we want our program on a national level, we can't lose to teams like Arkansas St.

They will not and cannot stop our running game... Candle wins his first reg season game. Bet on it. We have as much talent as last year, they didnt improve that much.

Other than home field advantage I do not see any reason to give ASU the edge. Both our offensive line and defensive line should dominate. I think we win 27-17.

I'm OK with "being" 3-point underdogs to ASU, for a couple reasons. One, it's a new season, and neither teams has proven or disproven anything yet...second, it should help keep our team grounded and not looking past the Red Wolves just because of our past successes against their program.

Win or lose, I don't think this game will really impact the overall season for either team--I think both are capable of making some noise in our respective conferences, and would expect both to be in bowl games come December. Other than a win, I'm hoping for an injury-free game and a bit more of the Boca Bowl play-calling.

Guys, a 3-point swing is a toss-up with the home team getting the nod. We may not be able to stop your running game, and we may not be able to do anything on the ground, or through the air. Who knows? We'll find out in just over 174 hours. Safe travels for those coming down.

Defense is a question mark particularly the secondary. I'll be keeping my eye on them during the game. I think this could be a high scoring game...

We typically play pretty well at home but the Friday night at 8 pm time will hurt our home field advantage somewhat. Over the years, teams that thrashed us on the road have experienced much different results in Jonesboro the following season. SMU, Army, USU, Memphis, etc. have all beaten us pretty soundly one year only to lose in Jonesboro the following year.

Now, this is college football not the pros. There are very few players left from the team that played you guys less than two years ago in Mobile. That defensive line was so terrible that EVERYONE we faced in the last half of the season had backs run for 200 yards or near it. The guys who played on that DL have either left because they could no longer earn playing time or they are buried on the depth chart now. Malzahn and Freeze left the defense in shamble and it took a couple of years to build it back. There will only be two players in this year's game on offense who recorded an offensive stat for ASU in the bowl game as well. Our best deep threat last year has been relegated to second team with the arrival of Kendall Sanders, Echols-Luper and Omar Bayless.

We know that Toledo's OL in 2014-15 was STRONG and Hunt was explosive. I expect that to be the case this year as well. We saw the difference between your QB in 2014 and 2015 when we played last year without our starter.

I expect a tight game. ASU strengthened its defense considerably over the last two offseasons and is not the tissue paper defense of January, 2015. It will remain a difficult task to stop the Toledo ground game. Voytik will be an upgrade at QB for ASU, especially compared to the QB you guys faced in Knighten's absence last year.

It is a 3 point spread because this one is very even on paper and we are at home. That should make for a fin first game!

(08-26-2016 12:27 PM)UTNORTH Wrote: [ -> ]Other than home field advantage I do not see any reason to give ASU the edge. Both our offensive line and defensive line should dominate. I think we win 27-17.

This is probably the best defensive line we've had in history. Offensive Line is full of Senior starters. There are areas of the field in which you can take advantage of us, notably in the defensive backfield where we tend to be boom or bust in coverage, but I don't see you dominating the line.

Hunt might still run for 175 because he's that good though.

The D will be the big question mark and hopefully Woodside won't have any rust to knock off (it has been a while since his last start). They are calling it EVEN and giving the home team the nod...I have no issue with this. I would rather it be like this then have the line with us -14, or something like that.

There is no doubt we should have the upper hand on offense unless something strange has happened in the Universe. If Candle intelligently leans on our running game like he should, it should open up the passing game up and we will be fine. That said, we have seen this movie before...in prior years when we have a great running game, we have seen game plans have us come out passing like fiends in the first few drives. I don't want to see that BS this year Run first, control the clock, and run to setup the pass. Play our 3 stud RB's in different packages to keep them guessing and to keep them fresh. Use the WR's and TE wisely (and safely) until you have control of the game and Woodside has a rhythm going.

My prediction:
Toledo 38
ASU 27

Go Rockets!

(08-26-2016 04:31 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]We typically play pretty well at home but the Friday night at 8 pm time will hurt our home field advantage somewhat. Over the years, teams that thrashed us on the road have experienced much different results in Jonesboro the following season. SMU, Army, USU, Memphis, etc. have all beaten us pretty soundly one year only to lose in Jonesboro the following year.

Now, this is college football not the pros. There are very few players left from the team that played you guys less than two years ago in Mobile. That defensive line was so terrible that EVERYONE we faced in the last half of the season had backs run for 200 yards or near it. The guys who played on that DL have either left because they could no longer earn playing time or they are buried on the depth chart now. Malzahn and Freeze left the defense in shamble and it took a couple of years to build it back. There will only be two players in this year's game on offense who recorded an offensive stat for ASU in the bowl game as well. Our best deep threat last year has been relegated to second team with the arrival of Kendall Sanders, Echols-Luper and Omar Bayless.

We know that Toledo's OL in 2014-15 was STRONG and Hunt was explosive. I expect that to be the case this year as well. We saw the difference between your QB in 2014 and 2015 when we played last year without our starter.

I expect a tight game. ASU strengthened its defense considerably over the last two offseasons and is not the tissue paper defense of January, 2015. It will remain a difficult task to stop the Toledo ground game. Voytik will be an upgrade at QB for ASU, especially compared to the QB you guys faced in Knighten's absence last year.

It is a 3 point spread because this one is very even on paper and we are at home. That should make for a fin first game!

I forgot you guys got Echols-Luper. Nice get - damn nice. He'll be a great addition for sure.

(08-26-2016 11:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-26-2016 12:27 PM)UTNORTH Wrote: [ -> ]Other than home field advantage I do not see any reason to give ASU the edge. Both our offensive line and defensive line should dominate. I think we win 27-17.

This is probably the best defensive line we've had in history. Offensive Line is full of Senior starters. There are areas of the field in which you can take advantage of us, notably in the defensive backfield where we tend to be boom or bust in coverage, but I don't see you dominating the line.

Hunt might still run for 175 because he's that good though.

Last season State was the 3rd game that Toledo's OL played together. They had 3 career starts going into last year. Rockets lose 1 of the 10 on the OL depth chart for this season. I think you'll find the OL to be improved. Plus our 255 lbs H-Back is healthy.

(08-26-2016 04:31 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]We typically play pretty well at home but the Friday night at 8 pm time will hurt our home field advantage somewhat. Over the years, teams that thrashed us on the road have experienced much different results in Jonesboro the following season. SMU, Army, USU, Memphis, etc. have all beaten us pretty soundly one year only to lose in Jonesboro the following year.

Now, this is college football not the pros. There are very few players left from the team that played you guys less than two years ago in Mobile. That defensive line was so terrible that EVERYONE we faced in the last half of the season had backs run for 200 yards or near it. The guys who played on that DL have either left because they could no longer earn playing time or they are buried on the depth chart now. Malzahn and Freeze left the defense in shamble and it took a couple of years to build it back. There will only be two players in this year's game on offense who recorded an offensive stat for ASU in the bowl game as well. Our best deep threat last year has been relegated to second team with the arrival of Kendall Sanders, Echols-Luper and Omar Bayless.

We know that Toledo's OL in 2014-15 was STRONG and Hunt was explosive. I expect that to be the case this year as well. We saw the difference between your QB in 2014 and 2015 when we played last year without our starter.

I expect a tight game. ASU strengthened its defense considerably over the last two offseasons and is not the tissue paper defense of January, 2015. It will remain a difficult task to stop the Toledo ground game. Voytik will be an upgrade at QB for ASU, especially compared to the QB you guys faced in Knighten's absence last year.

It is a 3 point spread because this one is very even on paper and we are at home. That should make for a fin first game!

2014 true freshman Chuks Ota starts on the defensive line.
2015 Ota is second team as a sophomore.
2016 comes out of spring third team and elects to go on academic scholarship to pursue med school.

The 2013 and 2014 squads weren't that good and 2015 lived or died with Fredi who was signed to be an A back and play some wildcat QB. 21% of his TD passes in 2014 came against Toledo.

Tabary who filled in at QB last year ended spring as the #3 QB and he and #2 both transferred to FCS, while #1 coming out of spring may end up being #2 once a depth chart is released (presumably Monday).

We are very different.

While, i definitely think we should be favored, an ASU win wouldnt be crazy

(08-27-2016 12:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-26-2016 04:31 PM)Crump1 Wrote: [ -> ]We typically play pretty well at home but the Friday night at 8 pm time will hurt our home field advantage somewhat. Over the years, teams that thrashed us on the road have experienced much different results in Jonesboro the following season. SMU, Army, USU, Memphis, etc. have all beaten us pretty soundly one year only to lose in Jonesboro the following year.

Now, this is college football not the pros. There are very few players left from the team that played you guys less than two years ago in Mobile. That defensive line was so terrible that EVERYONE we faced in the last half of the season had backs run for 200 yards or near it. The guys who played on that DL have either left because they could no longer earn playing time or they are buried on the depth chart now. Malzahn and Freeze left the defense in shamble and it took a couple of years to build it back. There will only be two players in this year's game on offense who recorded an offensive stat for ASU in the bowl game as well. Our best deep threat last year has been relegated to second team with the arrival of Kendall Sanders, Echols-Luper and Omar Bayless.

We know that Toledo's OL in 2014-15 was STRONG and Hunt was explosive. I expect that to be the case this year as well. We saw the difference between your QB in 2014 and 2015 when we played last year without our starter.

I expect a tight game. ASU strengthened its defense considerably over the last two offseasons and is not the tissue paper defense of January, 2015. It will remain a difficult task to stop the Toledo ground game. Voytik will be an upgrade at QB for ASU, especially compared to the QB you guys faced in Knighten's absence last year.

It is a 3 point spread because this one is very even on paper and we are at home. That should make for a fin first game!

2014 true freshman Chuks Ota starts on the defensive line.
2015 Ota is second team as a sophomore.
2016 comes out of spring third team and elects to go on academic scholarship to pursue med school.

The 2013 and 2014 squads weren't that good and 2015 lived or died with Fredi who was signed to be an A back and play some wildcat QB. 21% of his TD passes in 2014 came against Toledo.

Tabary who filled in at QB last year ended spring as the #3 QB and he and #2 both transferred to FCS, while #1 coming out of spring may end up being #2 once a depth chart is released (presumably Monday).

We are very different.

Voytik is a solid QB. I don't think he's as good as Brandon Allen or has an OL like the 2015 Razorbacks.

I was expecting ASU to be a 5.5 - 6.5 pt favorite. Just too many question marks for the Rockets. A week before and we don't even know who will be the starting QB Meanwhile Ark State is is model of stability.