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Quote:Dear Mr. Khan,

I, like millions of Americans saw your speech at the DNC on Thursday night.

I wish to offer my sympathy for the death of your son, Captain Humayun Khan, who was killed in action in Iraq.

As a former US Army officer, and a veteran of the Gulf War, I can certainly understand the pain and anguish that you and your wife endure every day.

Your son died saving the lives of his fellow soldiers. As Jesus told his disciples, according to the Gospel of John, Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

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Captain Khan is a hero. I am sure the soldiers he served with regard him as one. I know you and your wife do. Rest assured that millions of veterans regard your son as a hero as well.

To paraphrase from the Book of Ecclesiasticus, your son’s name liveth for evermore.

Your son made the ultimate sacrifice for his country, a country that was new to you and your family and one which you openly embraced and certainly love.

When you and your family arrived to America from Pakistan, you assimilated into our country. You adopted American ways, learned our history and apparently you even acquired a pocket Constitution along the way. Good for you sir.

But, there are many Muslims in America who not only have no desire to assimilate, but wish to live under Sharia Law.

That is unacceptable to Americans. There is only one law of the land. That is the U.S. Constitution.

As you well know, Mr. Khan, we live in violent times, dangerous times. Muslim madmen from ISIS and other radical Jihadi groups are on a murder and terror spree across the globe.

Your religion of peace, Islam, is anything but that in 2016. That is a fact that is confirmed every time a Muslim shoots, bombs, beheads and tortures innocent men, women and children. This does not mean that every Muslim is a terrorist, but most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims.

A Muslim terrorist attack has become the sign of the times.

Regardless of what the feckless, naïve, leftist ideologue Barack Obama and his dimwitted colleagues John Kerry, Francois Hollande and Angela Merkel state, the United States and the West are at war with Radical Islam. It is the job of the president of the United States to protect his nation from all enemies; foreign and domestic. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama romanticizes Islam and refuses to accept reality, which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people across the world.

Groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda have one goal, the complete destruction of the Judeo-Christian culture, our religions and our way of life.

Many Americans have families that have been here for decades, even centuries. Many families like mine have relatives who fought in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and Desert Storm. Some families have relatives who fought in the American Revolution.

We don’t plan on letting our country be devoured by Muslim maniacs. We are Americans sir, and not unarmed, socialist European zombies. We will do what is necessary to protect the United States. While many Democrats and liberals see the world through rose colored glasses, conservatives understand that there is good and evil in this world. Evil must be destroyed before it destroys us.

Strong measures, wartime measures, must be taken to protect this country from those that wish to annihilate us and our way of life.

Mr. Trump’s plan to temporarily halt immigration from Muslim countries that are known to either support terrorism or harbor terrorist groups is not only pragmatic, but indeed it is constitutional. It is the constitutional duty of the president of the United States to protect this nation.

There is simply no way to vet hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees from war zones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Europe is being destroyed because reckless leaders like Angela Merkel have opened the continent’s doors to a flood of over one million undocumented Muslims arriving with nothing more than a bad attitude and a haversack of Jihad.

Do you think Americans are stupid? While the left lives in a dream world, the right does not. Mr. Trump understands the threat to his nation and the threat, sir, is not from Swedish Lutherans named Anna and Lars. The threat, sir, is from radical Islam.

How in God’s name are U.S. immigration authorities supposed to know the true intentions of a 22-year-old Syrian man? It is impossible. You know it is impossible.

How in God’s name are U.S. immigration authorities supposed to know the true intentions of hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees and thousands of other sundry Muslims who wish to arrive on our shores?

It is impossible. You know it is impossible.

Whether you, your wife, the Muslim world and millions of Democrats are offended by Mr. Trump’s realistic view of the world is irrelevant.

Whether you, your wife and son would have been prohibited from emigrating from Pakistan to America under Mr. Trump’s wartime plan is irrelevant. The security of this great land supersedes your desires and the desires of others who wish to come here now. The United States of America has no obligation to open its doors in order to placate foreigners and liberals in our government.

To adopt any other course but Mr. Trump’s would be a cause for further endangering the lives of Americans every day. That, sir, is unacceptable.

You attacked Mr. Trump in front of a worldwide audience, yet you can’t understand the fact that he defends himself against attacks from you, Hillary Clinton and the left. What else is one to do sir?

We must live in a world of reality, not a world of denial, delusion and fantasy the Democrats inhabit every waking day of their lives.

Radical Islam is the enemy of everyone on this planet who believes in freedom and justice. Until it is destroyed, this nation must protect itself from enemies both foreign and domestic.

Sincerely,

Ray Starmann

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/08/0...-khan.html
Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

Still crickets about the Benghazi mom, I see. F***ing hypocrite!!
(08-01-2016 09:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

Still crickets about the Benghazi mom, I see. F***ing hypocrite!!

Go back and see what I said about the Benghazi mom. I dare you.
(08-01-2016 09:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

Still crickets about the Benghazi mom, I see. F***ing hypocrite!!

Go back and see what I said about the Benghazi mom. I dare you.

You said nothing. In fact you condoned the disgusting behavior exhibited towards her.
Mr. Khan is not responsible for everyone from his country or everyone from his faith. You are just mad because he spoke out against Mr. Trump.
(08-01-2016 09:28 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

Still crickets about the Benghazi mom, I see. F***ing hypocrite!!

Go back and see what I said about the Benghazi mom. I dare you.

You said nothing. In fact you condoned the disgusting behavior exhibited towards her.

That is a complete lie and you could be banned for saying that. Go back and read exactly what I said. I dare you.
(08-01-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:28 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

Still crickets about the Benghazi mom, I see. F***ing hypocrite!!

Go back and see what I said about the Benghazi mom. I dare you.

You said nothing. In fact you condoned the disgusting behavior exhibited towards her.

That is a complete lie and you could be banned for saying that. Go back and read exactly what I said. I dare you.

You should be banned for making up posts to respond to.
(08-01-2016 09:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:28 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]Still crickets about the Benghazi mom, I see. F***ing hypocrite!!

Go back and see what I said about the Benghazi mom. I dare you.

You said nothing. In fact you condoned the disgusting behavior exhibited towards her.

That is a complete lie and you could be banned for saying that. Go back and read exactly what I said. I dare you.

You should be banned for making up posts to respond to.

If I condoned the disgusting behavior then post the direct quote. You won't do it because I never said that.
(08-01-2016 09:38 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:28 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 09:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Go back and see what I said about the Benghazi mom. I dare you.

You said nothing. In fact you condoned the disgusting behavior exhibited towards her.

That is a complete lie and you could be banned for saying that. Go back and read exactly what I said. I dare you.

You should be banned for making up posts to respond to.

If I condoned the disgusting behavior then post the direct quote. You won't do it because I never said that.

Why do you make up posts to respond to? That should get you banned.
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

And it's full of incorrect information where, Fit?

I'd love to know what you read in there that makes that letter fit that description.
(08-02-2016 08:44 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

And it's full of incorrect information where, Fit?

I'd love to know what you read in there that makes that letter fit that description.

Well for one, for a soldier to write a letter to a Muslim family and quote the Christian Bible is highly disrespectful. Just imagine how you would feel if you lost a son and someone tried to console you by quoting the Quoran.
(08-02-2016 09:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-02-2016 08:44 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

And it's full of incorrect information where, Fit?

I'd love to know what you read in there that makes that letter fit that description.

Well for one, for a soldier to write a letter to a Muslim family and quote the Christian Bible is highly disrespectful. Just imagine how you would feel if you lost a son and someone tried to console you by quoting the Quoran.

well thats not incorrect information, thats your opinion... thank you for playing! #FitFail
(08-02-2016 09:39 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-02-2016 09:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-02-2016 08:44 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

And it's full of incorrect information where, Fit?

I'd love to know what you read in there that makes that letter fit that description.

Well for one, for a soldier to write a letter to a Muslim family and quote the Christian Bible is highly disrespectful. Just imagine how you would feel if you lost a son and someone tried to console you by quoting the Quoran.

well thats not incorrect information, thats your opinion... thank you for playing! #FitFail

Also, his statements about Muslims not wanting to assimilate is incorrect. First of all, assimilation does not have anything to do with religion. Most Muslims know or learn English go to public schools and have non Muslim friends. There is nothing to indicate that most Muslims do not want to assimilate.
(08-02-2016 09:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-02-2016 08:44 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

And it's full of incorrect information where, Fit?

I'd love to know what you read in there that makes that letter fit that description.

Well for one, for a soldier to write a letter to a Muslim family and quote the Christian Bible is highly disrespectful. Just imagine how you would feel if you lost a son and someone tried to console you by quoting the Quoran.

Again, where is that Incorrect information? You said it was full of incorrect information.

And I will disagree with you.. if the Quran was how someone knew how to grieve, and they were willing to do so with me.. that's fine by me.

If it were a Mormon and they wanted to use their religious text... so be it.

I wouldn't turn them away because they tried to use a comforting verse they knew that fit the situation.

And I notice you ignored the qualifier "Many" that the author used in the letter when referring to the assimilation statement. I'd say he's right on that. He didn't say all , he didn't say most as you put in your statement on that line. That's a big difference from what you're inferring. (and yes, I've worked with quite a few believers in the Muslim religion).
(08-02-2016 10:04 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-02-2016 09:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-02-2016 08:44 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

And it's full of incorrect information where, Fit?

I'd love to know what you read in there that makes that letter fit that description.

Well for one, for a soldier to write a letter to a Muslim family and quote the Christian Bible is highly disrespectful. Just imagine how you would feel if you lost a son and someone tried to console you by quoting the Quoran.

Again, where is that Incorrect information? You said it was full of incorrect information.

And I will disagree with you.. if the Quran was how someone knew how to grieve, and they were willing to do so with me.. that's fine by me.

If it were a Mormon and they wanted to use their religious text... so be it.

I wouldn't turn them away because they tried to use a comforting verse they knew that fit the situation.

And I notice you ignored the qualifier "Many" that the author used in the letter when referring to the assimilation statement. I'd say he's right on that. He didn't say all , he didn't say most as you put in your statement on that line. That's a big difference from what you're inferring. (and yes, I've worked with quite a few believers in the Muslim religion).

Read my post on assimilaiton.
(08-02-2016 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Read my post on assimilaiton.

Why? It isn't the definitive 'end all' of the discussion.

While it is certainly polite to acknowledge someone else's belief as valid and worthy, it's awfully insulting to quote them their own scriptures... especially if it doesn't mean to them what you think it should, or what it means to you... and with the myriad of individual beliefs and sects within ANY religion, the chances that it really means (or that the context is ok) what you are trying to impart is a far greater risk of insult.

Said differently, if a Jewish person wishes me a Merry Christmas, I know that they are only being polite... because I know they don't believe in Christmas. If they do, they believe in the 'commercial' Christmas and not the religious one. Now that certainly isn't rude on their part and in no way would I be offended by it... but I'd actually find it to be more heartfelt when they wish me a Happy Hanukah as well. That is not merely being polite, but is something they REALLY believe in.

I'd expect the Pope to ask 'Mother Mary' and 'Jesus' to protect Muslims... because that is whom he believes in. He might also mention Allah and Muhammad, but because he is being polite... not because that is what/whom he believes in/actually prays to.

Similarly, if I were trying to comfort someone of another faith, I'd be wishing them things that I believe in. I know they don't believe what I believe, but I can't tell them about 'their' faith... so I tell them about what brings me comfort.

Be honest, if you were talking with a Christian Scientist who was trying to 'pray' their hemophilia away as they bled to death, you wouldn't be quoting scripture... you'd be quoting medical books to them.... because THAT is what you believe in. Sure it'd be 'polite' to acknowledge their faith, but that isn't what you believe in.
Another thread derailed by Fitbud.
(08-02-2016 12:27 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]Another thread derailed by Fitbud.

Give it another day and he'll start quoting posts that don't exist. Except in his feeble brain of course.
(08-01-2016 08:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Poor guy. That letter is full of incorrect information.

Like what?
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