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Now that the ACC is going for a TV network maybe it's time to look at the demographics/TV markets of its members. How about adding Navy (football only), UConn and Temple?

(07-30-2016 02:41 PM)connecticutguy Wrote: [ -> ]Now that the ACC is going for a TV network maybe it's time to look at the demographics/TV markets of its members. How about adding Navy (football only), UConn and Temple?

Yes they should add all 3 to get to 18 schools.

Cheers!

Navy only, play the game in in the Northeas at neutral site. That gives the ACC another ND game.

I always thought Navy as a football-only option could work for them and possibly Navy Men's LAX to get ACC an automatic bid with 6 teams. Then you could add UConn or try to pry away West Virginia from the Big 12 which would allow them to really open up their expansion search.

Navy - maybe a scheduling agreement for 3 or 4 games to pair with ND football. I'd bet there is a clause in the contract that says if Navy joins, ND plays them every year and it counts as one of their five games.

Uconn - It is a hard sell to the southern/football schools.

Temple - no.

UConn and Temple on the outside looking in. Stay the course in the AAC but try to leverage your bball to get into the Big East.

Add Navy as a football only member.

Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc. Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc. Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.

Your understanding of markets does not gel with reality. The example you give for temple is undeniably wrong. The ACC is trying to gain carriage in these markets. Raycom being able to put the acc on the cw in some town outside of Springfield does not equate to the ACC network getting on first tier in those markets.

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc. Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.

Pitt covering the philly market is the funniest thing I have heard in a long long time. Thanks for the laugh

ACC does not expand until ND joins for football.

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc. Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.

I'm from the Quad Cities originally (Davenport). First job was as a paper boy for the QC Times. Did you just say that the Quad Cities are part of the DMA for Iowa St?
Cheers!

(07-30-2016 06:27 PM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc. Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.

Pitt covering the philly market is the funniest thing I have heard in a long long time. Thanks for the laugh

Yep and I'd say the same for ND. Now, ND has a "presence" almost everywhere but I dont think the "cover" many markets.

(07-30-2016 06:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc. Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.

I'm from the Quad Cities originally (Davenport). First job was as a paper boy for the QC Times. Did you just say that the Quad Cities are part of the DMA for Iowa St?
Cheers!

Of course, U of Iowa as well http://seventhpoint.com/images/pdfs/2012...%20Map.pdf

Take NC State or UNC for example, both are physically located in the Raleigh DMA. However, they are also always shown in the Greensboro/WS and Charlotte DMA's. The Charlotte DMA reaches into SC. The Charlotte example works in reverse for Clemson.

All one needs to do to check is look at the above map and then look at ABC and ESPN split broadcasts. I guess it's a good thing that FSU doesn't know that people will not watch them in Miami or Tampa, or Orlando since they are not PHYSICALLY located in that DMA that is within their state.

No.

(07-30-2016 03:10 PM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]UConn and Temple on the outside looking in. Stay the course in the AAC but try to leverage your bball to get into the Big East.

That's not happening.....ever.

http://seventhpoint.com/images/pdfs/2012...%20Map.pdf


This map shows what the real media footprints are of the conferences because a major school of any size is going to be of interest in their home state unless they are pitted against their more popular in-state rival at the same broadcast time. But how often does that happen now? Check out ESPN's schedule of games for the first couple of weeks in September. Temple and Penn State play at Noon on BTN. Pitt plays Oklahoma State at 3:30. Both games will be shown in Philadelphia on the same day, but not at the same time or network. And I suspect that when 8:00 PM rolls around folks in Philly will be watching ND and Michigan State, just a guess.

As you look at the maps, notice the additional counties in the DMA's for a North Carolina based interest like NC State or UNC. 34 counties in Va, SC, and Ga are in the DMA's that cover NC's 100 counties. For the State of Georgia, they have 48 additional counties in Alabama, Tennessee, SC, and Florida. For the State of Virginia, they have 39 counties in MD, NC, WVa, and Tennessee. Florida, has them in Georgia and Alabama.

The power or market share a school can bring is based in part on geography - of where the media markets in their home state are located. There is no better example than Ohio State because to cover the State of Ohio you bring in markets in Michigan (Toledo DMA), Indiana and Kentucky (Cincy DMA), and West Virginia (Charleston DMA)

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(07-30-2016 02:41 PM)connecticutguy Wrote: [ -> ]Now that the ACC is going for a TV network maybe it's time to look at the demographics/TV markets of its members. How about adding Navy (football only), UConn and Temple?

(07-30-2016 06:56 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2016 06:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc. Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.

I'm from the Quad Cities originally (Davenport). First job was as a paper boy for the QC Times. Did you just say that the Quad Cities are part of the DMA for Iowa St?
Cheers!

Of course, U of Iowa as well http://seventhpoint.com/images/pdfs/2012...%20Map.pdf

Take NC State or UNC for example, both are physically located in the Raleigh DMA. However, they are also always shown in the Greensboro/WS and Charlotte DMA's. The Charlotte DMA reaches into SC. The Charlotte example works in reverse for Clemson.

All one needs to do to check is look at the above map and then look at ABC and ESPN split broadcasts. I guess it's a good thing that FSU doesn't know that people will not watch them in Miami or Tampa, or Orlando since they are not PHYSICALLY located in that DMA that is within their state.

Wow! Have you ever been to Iowa or Illinois? The Quad Cities are: Davenport & Bettendorf Iowa & Moline and Rock Island Illinois. The Mississippi River divides the 4 cities. University of Iowa is in Iowa City--eastern Iowa. Iowa St is by Des Moines way way west of the Quad Cities in the center of the state. Iowa is the team of the Quad Cities. Illinois is #2. ISU is not only far geopraphically, but culture is different. Iowa St is an AG school that is irrelevant in the Quad Cities. Just an FYI from someone who grew up there.
Cheers!