(02-05-2018 11:38 AM)mac Wrote: [ -> ]Would like to see what poster Coach has to say about Kah. I was thinking he was all done since he's about 45 years old by now!
Haven't heard much lately, but my understanding was that he'd graduate and transfer. He was on the bench against MTSU but not UAB. I have no idea what that means, if anything.
(02-05-2018 12:56 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 12:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2018 05:56 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]We need another Trey Porter type transfer instead of a small forward - power forward hybrid.
It depends on how the staff feels Ezikpe can play as a freshman. If they believe he can back up Porter and give the team 10-15 mins per game, they can get away with taking best player available.
Next Year:
Point Guards
Caver Sr
Kithcart
Combo Guards
Wade
Wing Players
Godwin
Hueitt
Stith Sr
Green
Combo Forwards
Carver
Reece
Pilavios
Interior Players
Porter Sr
Ekikpe
Even if Ezikpe is good enough to play 15-20 minutes backing up Porter at the Center position, he and Porter alone would be cutting it too thin depth wise.
Foul trouble, illness, injury, death in the family, team rules violations, etc. can all mean that a player has to miss time in one or more games. As we have seen it could even be for an entire year. At that point everyone on the depth chart moves up a spot. How many times over the past 3 years has Vassor been called upon even though he is at least 3rd on the depth chart at the center position? ODU must have a big man inside to successfully play Jeff's style of basketball. That has been clearly evident this season. With 2 of his 3 Center position players graduating (Brandan & Vassor) there is a hole there to be filled, and it should be filled with at least 2 replacements, not 1. Also, I tend to believe that Ezikpe would be better suited at the PF position and ODU would be more successful if they could pair him with a guy like Porter at the Center position.
Vassor has played 50 mins this year and very little of that has been in meaningful situations. The 4/5 spots have essentially ben a 3 man rotation of Carver, Porter, Stith. BJ has rotated over a played a little bit of small ball 4. As I was saying under the assumption that Ekipkpe can play a few mins (not a prediction), then that gives them the 3 person rotation without factoring anytime from Reece or Pilavious.
Vassor is the 4th big on the team this year. Next years team will have Carver, Porter, Ekipke, Reece, and Pilavious at the 4/5 positions. I would venture to guess we see more BJ at the 4 next year as Goodwin/Hueit/Green earn more time on the wings.
Ekikpe (6-7 230) is basically the size of Brandan Stith right now (maybe taller, but not sure of wingspan...looks long). He doesn't have the athleticism to guard anyone outside the lane at this point. He is more suited as an interior player that can occasionally spot up for shots on the outside. Asking him to match up with stretch 4s is probably too much to ask. He is much more suited to guard Chris Cokley type player instead of Nick King. On offense, playing him with Porter clogs to paint too much. Reece/Carver are better pairings with Porter.
Don't forget Reece. He could be that stretch 4 at 6'9" that we have needed.
I mean, I named him several times. :)
(02-05-2018 01:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 12:56 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 12:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on how the staff feels Ezikpe can play as a freshman. If they believe he can back up Porter and give the team 10-15 mins per game, they can get away with taking best player available.
Next Year:
Point Guards
Caver Sr
Kithcart
Combo Guards
Wade
Wing Players
Godwin
Hueitt
Stith Sr
Green
Combo Forwards
Carver
Reece
Pilavios
Interior Players
Porter Sr
Ekikpe
Even if Ezikpe is good enough to play 15-20 minutes backing up Porter at the Center position, he and Porter alone would be cutting it too thin depth wise.
Foul trouble, illness, injury, death in the family, team rules violations, etc. can all mean that a player has to miss time in one or more games. As we have seen it could even be for an entire year. At that point everyone on the depth chart moves up a spot. How many times over the past 3 years has Vassor been called upon even though he is at least 3rd on the depth chart at the center position? ODU must have a big man inside to successfully play Jeff's style of basketball. That has been clearly evident this season. With 2 of his 3 Center position players graduating (Brandan & Vassor) there is a hole there to be filled, and it should be filled with at least 2 replacements, not 1. Also, I tend to believe that Ezikpe would be better suited at the PF position and ODU would be more successful if they could pair him with a guy like Porter at the Center position.
Vassor has played 50 mins this year and very little of that has been in meaningful situations. The 4/5 spots have essentially ben a 3 man rotation of Carver, Porter, Stith. BJ has rotated over a played a little bit of small ball 4. As I was saying under the assumption that Ekipkpe can play a few mins (not a prediction), then that gives them the 3 person rotation without factoring anytime from Reece or Pilavious.
Vassor is the 4th big on the team this year. Next years team will have Carver, Porter, Ekipke, Reece, and Pilavious at the 4/5 positions. I would venture to guess we see more BJ at the 4 next year as Goodwin/Hueit/Green earn more time on the wings.
Ekikpe (6-7 230) is basically the size of Brandan Stith right now (maybe taller, but not sure of wingspan...looks long). He doesn't have the athleticism to guard anyone outside the lane at this point. He is more suited as an interior player that can occasionally spot up for shots on the outside. Asking him to match up with stretch 4s is probably too much to ask. He is much more suited to guard Chris Cokley type player instead of Nick King. On offense, playing him with Porter clogs to paint too much. Reece/Carver are better pairings with Porter.
Don't forget Reece. He could be that stretch 4 at 6'9" that we have needed.
I mean, I named him several times. :)
So you think Kalu should be our starting #5 player? Whether that be his fresh (unlikely), soph, junior, or senior year? The #5?
(02-05-2018 01:15 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 01:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 12:56 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 12:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]Even if Ezikpe is good enough to play 15-20 minutes backing up Porter at the Center position, he and Porter alone would be cutting it too thin depth wise.
Foul trouble, illness, injury, death in the family, team rules violations, etc. can all mean that a player has to miss time in one or more games. As we have seen it could even be for an entire year. At that point everyone on the depth chart moves up a spot. How many times over the past 3 years has Vassor been called upon even though he is at least 3rd on the depth chart at the center position? ODU must have a big man inside to successfully play Jeff's style of basketball. That has been clearly evident this season. With 2 of his 3 Center position players graduating (Brandan & Vassor) there is a hole there to be filled, and it should be filled with at least 2 replacements, not 1. Also, I tend to believe that Ezikpe would be better suited at the PF position and ODU would be more successful if they could pair him with a guy like Porter at the Center position.
Vassor has played 50 mins this year and very little of that has been in meaningful situations. The 4/5 spots have essentially ben a 3 man rotation of Carver, Porter, Stith. BJ has rotated over a played a little bit of small ball 4. As I was saying under the assumption that Ekipkpe can play a few mins (not a prediction), then that gives them the 3 person rotation without factoring anytime from Reece or Pilavious.
Vassor is the 4th big on the team this year. Next years team will have Carver, Porter, Ekipke, Reece, and Pilavious at the 4/5 positions. I would venture to guess we see more BJ at the 4 next year as Goodwin/Hueit/Green earn more time on the wings.
Ekikpe (6-7 230) is basically the size of Brandan Stith right now (maybe taller, but not sure of wingspan...looks long). He doesn't have the athleticism to guard anyone outside the lane at this point. He is more suited as an interior player that can occasionally spot up for shots on the outside. Asking him to match up with stretch 4s is probably too much to ask. He is much more suited to guard Chris Cokley type player instead of Nick King. On offense, playing him with Porter clogs to paint too much. Reece/Carver are better pairings with Porter.
Don't forget Reece. He could be that stretch 4 at 6'9" that we have needed.
I mean, I named him several times. :)
So you think Kalu should be our starting #5 player? Whether that be his fresh (unlikely), soph, junior, or senior year? The #5?
I haven't seen him play in our system to say who "should" start 4-5 years from now. Does he have the talent and size to project him out to possible start for us in the future? Absolutley. Could that be at either spot along the front line, absolutley.
(02-05-2018 01:15 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 01:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 12:56 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 12:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]Even if Ezikpe is good enough to play 15-20 minutes backing up Porter at the Center position, he and Porter alone would be cutting it too thin depth wise.
Foul trouble, illness, injury, death in the family, team rules violations, etc. can all mean that a player has to miss time in one or more games. As we have seen it could even be for an entire year. At that point everyone on the depth chart moves up a spot. How many times over the past 3 years has Vassor been called upon even though he is at least 3rd on the depth chart at the center position? ODU must have a big man inside to successfully play Jeff's style of basketball. That has been clearly evident this season. With 2 of his 3 Center position players graduating (Brandan & Vassor) there is a hole there to be filled, and it should be filled with at least 2 replacements, not 1. Also, I tend to believe that Ezikpe would be better suited at the PF position and ODU would be more successful if they could pair him with a guy like Porter at the Center position.
Vassor has played 50 mins this year and very little of that has been in meaningful situations. The 4/5 spots have essentially ben a 3 man rotation of Carver, Porter, Stith. BJ has rotated over a played a little bit of small ball 4. As I was saying under the assumption that Ekipkpe can play a few mins (not a prediction), then that gives them the 3 person rotation without factoring anytime from Reece or Pilavious.
Vassor is the 4th big on the team this year. Next years team will have Carver, Porter, Ekipke, Reece, and Pilavious at the 4/5 positions. I would venture to guess we see more BJ at the 4 next year as Goodwin/Hueit/Green earn more time on the wings.
Ekikpe (6-7 230) is basically the size of Brandan Stith right now (maybe taller, but not sure of wingspan...looks long). He doesn't have the athleticism to guard anyone outside the lane at this point. He is more suited as an interior player that can occasionally spot up for shots on the outside. Asking him to match up with stretch 4s is probably too much to ask. He is much more suited to guard Chris Cokley type player instead of Nick King. On offense, playing him with Porter clogs to paint too much. Reece/Carver are better pairings with Porter.
Don't forget Reece. He could be that stretch 4 at 6'9" that we have needed.
I mean, I named him several times. :)
So you think Kalu should be our starting #5 player? Whether that be his fresh (unlikely), soph, junior, or senior year? The #5?
I feel he'll rotate at that spot similar to Brandan Stith that last couple of seasons. Currently, Porter is our only true 5, but based on matchups we could rotate Kalu and Reece depending on circumstances. I hear there's a true #5 on his recruiting trip on campus the beginning of this week. If they can seal the deal with that, then there's another one in the rotation for that spot.
(02-05-2018 12:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2018 05:56 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2018 03:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Steal whatever Grad transfer MTSU is after, lol.
But for real, a greg Mcclinton type transfer would be perfect.
We need another Trey Porter type transfer instead of a small forward - power forward hybrid.
It depends on how the staff feels Ezikpe can play as a freshman. If they believe he can back up Porter and give the team 10-15 mins per game, they can get away with taking best player available.
Next Year:
Point Guards
Caver Sr
Kithcart
Combo Guards
Wade
Wing Players
Godwin
Hueitt
Stith Sr
Green
Combo Forwards
Carver
Reece
Pilavios
Interior Players
Porter Sr
Ekikpe
Even if Ezikpe is good enough to play 15-20 minutes backing up Porter at the Center position, he and Porter alone would be cutting it too thin depth wise.
Foul trouble, illness, injury, death in the family, team rules violations, etc. can all mean that a player has to miss time in one or more games. As we have seen it could even be for an entire year. At that point everyone on the depth chart moves up a spot. How many times over the past 3 years has Vassor been called upon even though he is at least 3rd on the depth chart at the center position? ODU must have a big man inside to successfully play Jeff's style of basketball. That has been clearly evident this season. With 2 of his 3 Center position players graduating (Brandan & Vassor) there is a hole there to be filled, and it should be filled with at least 2 replacements, not 1. Also, I tend to believe that Ezikpe would be better suited at the PF position and ODU would be more successful if they could pair him with a guy like Porter at the Center position.
Vassor has played 50 mins this year and very little of that has been in meaningful situations. The 4/5 spots have essentially ben a 3 man rotation of Carver, Porter, Stith. BJ has rotated over a played a little bit of small ball 4. As I was saying under the assumption that Ekipkpe can play a few mins (not a prediction), then that gives them the 3 person rotation without factoring anytime from Reece or Pilavious.
Vassor is the 4th big on the team this year. Next years team will have Carver, Porter, Ekipke, Reece, and Pilavious at the 4/5 positions. I would venture to guess we see more BJ at the 4 next year as Goodwin/Hueit/Green earn more time on the wings.
Ekikpe (6-7 230) is basically the size of Brandan Stith right now (maybe taller, but not sure of wingspan...looks long). He doesn't have the athleticism to guard anyone outside the lane at this point. He is more suited as an interior player that can occasionally spot up for shots on the outside. Asking him to match up with stretch 4s is probably too much to ask. He is much more suited to guard Chris Cokley type player instead of Nick King. On offense, playing him with Porter clogs to paint too much. Reece/Carver are better pairings with Porter.
Talking to you about basketball is at times like if I was talking to my shoes. They don't get it either.
Instead of always reverting to some kind of number or statistic for everything, try using some common sense for a change.
1). Whatever number of minutes Vassor has played were in most cases minutes he had to play due to some circumstance of Brandan or Porter being unable to be in the game. None of the other 'bigs' are suited for playing the center position. Hint: That is the position I am currently and was previously addressing ... not the 3 or 4 positions so don't muddy the water by dragging them into the mix. It is not germane to the topic at hand. Even Vassor isn't ideally suited to play the center position, but it is the best of what ODU has available at this time. If they had another guy like Porter then he would be pushed even further back on the bench. How many minutes do you think Vassor would have played at this point if either Porter or Brandan were injured? Answer - a lot more.
2). Next season as it currently stands the only returning center position player is Porter. We lose Brandan and Vassor (none of the others are players that coach Jones has put at the center position - nor should he have, although in your world, maybe BJ will be the one to fill that void). What hodgepodge of players does Jones inject into the position to fill the void if Porter gets injured next season?
3). Who covers a guy like 6'-9" Lee in ODU's projected starting lineup next year? Not saying that I don't see some possibilities, but a guy like Ezipke would be among those candidates. For you to say that he doesn't have the athleticism as if that is some kind of well known fact is likely akin to you just a few months ago touting that Haynes should stop shooting and if you were the opposing coach you weren't even sure that you would guard him at the 3 point line. You frequently make some very outlandish comments as if they were absolute facts when in reality many times they are nothing more than your personal opinion stated like it was a fact. Answer me this .... How many high school or AAU games have you actually seen Ezikpe play? I'm not talking about a 2 minute highlight clip. The way you are talking it is as if you regularly watch his games, and I am doubting that you have ever seen any of them.
Bottom line - There is a reason that coach Jones has recently been recruiting one or two players both in the states and overseas to play the center position. He evidently sees the need at that position.
This has been beaten to depth....You believe in 1980s style of basketball where you need a 6-10 center despite us having played...what 1...true old school center this year? Any others? Which players at the 5 have we faced that Carver and Stith couldnt guard despite not being 6 foot 10? I don't believe there is a need for true centers at our level in todays basketball. You need a guy that can play solid defense and score inside.......whether he is 6-5 or 7-3. In todays basketball, guys like Stith and Porter cannot guard 4s on the perimeter and they clog the lane too much on offense when played together.
I have seen clips of Ekikpe and read scouting reports. I have also read his commentary where he says his athleticism is lacking right now and that he cannot guard players out on the perimeter. That is the main support for my comment on him guarding guys on the perimeter. He appears to be a guy that can play down low and is ideally matched with a forward that can stretch the floor and open up the lanes. That is, unless his work in our weight room allows him to improve on his (his words) weakness.
If we get a 7 footer that is skilled...great. Do we need one? No. Are they easy to find at our level? No. Do we ever face any? Very seldom.
So if we don’t face a big center except rarely, let’s get one and embarrass teams. What’s wrong with that concept?
(02-05-2018 04:51 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ]So if we don’t face a big center except rarely, let’s get one and embarrass teams. What’s wrong with that concept?
Nothing is wrong with getting one. The problems with them at our level are that if we do get one, they are extremely raw and take years to develop. (not neccessarily a deal breaker) The ones that are skilled get P5 offers without another thought.
When you do get one, they better either be able to guard the 6-8 athletes we face in our conference or be really good on offense to overcome that......and post up offense is typically a very inefficient shot...even tall guy vs. short guy. But, good luck finding a skilled 6-10 player ready to play right away.
(02-05-2018 04:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 04:51 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ]So if we don’t face a big center except rarely, let’s get one and embarrass teams. What’s wrong with that concept?
Nothing is wrong with getting one. The problems with them at our level are that if we do get one, they are extremely raw and take years to develop. (not neccessarily a deal breaker) The ones that are skilled get P5 offers without another thought.
When you do get one, they better either be able to guard the 6-8 athletes we face in our conference or be really good on offense to overcome that......and post up offense is typically a very inefficient shot...even tall guy vs. short guy. But, good luck finding a skilled 6-10 player ready to play right away.
You mean like our guards? I think years to "develop" is a given with JJ.
(02-05-2018 05:11 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 04:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 04:51 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ]So if we don’t face a big center except rarely, let’s get one and embarrass teams. What’s wrong with that concept?
Nothing is wrong with getting one. The problems with them at our level are that if we do get one, they are extremely raw and take years to develop. (not neccessarily a deal breaker) The ones that are skilled get P5 offers without another thought.
When you do get one, they better either be able to guard the 6-8 athletes we face in our conference or be really good on offense to overcome that......and post up offense is typically a very inefficient shot...even tall guy vs. short guy. But, good luck finding a skilled 6-10 player ready to play right away.
You mean like our guards? I think years to "develop" is a given with JJ.
Some of our recruits have played in year 1. Its not like it applies evenly across all players.
(02-05-2018 04:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 04:51 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ]So if we don’t face a big center except rarely, let’s get one and embarrass teams. What’s wrong with that concept?
Nothing is wrong with getting one. The problems with them at our level are that if we do get one, they are extremely raw and take years to develop. (not neccessarily a deal breaker) The ones that are skilled get P5 offers without another thought.
When you do get one, they better either be able to guard the 6-8 athletes we face in our conference or be really good on offense to overcome that......and post up offense is typically a very inefficient shot...even tall guy vs. short guy. But, good luck finding a skilled 6-10 player ready to play right away.
That's what Jones and staff are getting paid to do. Laughton. Lee. It's been done before and with winning results.
Lee was pretty ineffective as a freshman.
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(02-05-2018 07:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Lee was pretty ineffective as a freshman.
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I don't know that he was "ineffective", he just wasn't a superstar yet. He waa the only one on the team that played worth a damn in the NCAA Tournament loss to Butler (firsr time).
We don't necessarily need a blue chipper, just a big man with skills who can spell Porter and contribute as he developes.
Lee was solid as freshman. I would be estatic for that but chances are slim for anyone at this level. Look at the gueye, who we recruited. He would be no help this year. Guys like Loughton would be perfect in todays game.
(02-05-2018 07:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Lee was pretty ineffective as a freshman.
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???? Lee had a very good freshman year. Scored double figures against Butler in the NCAA tournament.
Notice how everyone is referencing one game? He averaged 4 pts and 3 reb as a freshman.
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(02-05-2018 09:37 PM)T-Mac Wrote: [ -> ]Notice how everyone is referencing one game? He averaged 4 pts and 3 reb as a freshman.
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No problem.
I'll take another Lee in a heartbeat.
(02-05-2018 03:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]This has been beaten to depth....You believe in 1980s style of basketball where you need a 6-10 center despite us having played...what 1...true old school center this year? Any others? Which players at the 5 have we faced that Carver and Stith couldnt guard despite not being 6 foot 10? I don't believe there is a need for true centers at our level in todays basketball. You need a guy that can play solid defense and score inside.......whether he is 6-5 or 7-3. In todays basketball, guys like Stith and Porter cannot guard 4s on the perimeter and they clog the lane too much on offense when played together.
I have seen clips of Ekikpe and read scouting reports. I have also read his commentary where he says his athleticism is lacking right now and that he cannot guard players out on the perimeter. That is the main support for my comment on him guarding guys on the perimeter. He appears to be a guy that can play down low and is ideally matched with a forward that can stretch the floor and open up the lanes. That is, unless his work in our weight room allows him to improve on his (his words) weakness.
If we get a 7 footer that is skilled...great. Do we need one? No. Are they easy to find at our level? No. Do we ever face any? Very seldom.
Glad you're not the damn coach running our program.
(02-05-2018 04:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2018 04:51 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote: [ -> ]So if we don’t face a big center except rarely, let’s get one and embarrass teams. What’s wrong with that concept?
Nothing is wrong with getting one. The problems with them at our level are that if we do get one, they are extremely raw and take years to develop. (not neccessarily a deal breaker) The ones that are skilled get P5 offers without another thought.
When you do get one, they better either be able to guard the 6-8 athletes we face in our conference or be really good on offense to overcome that......and post up offense is typically a very inefficient shot...even tall guy vs. short guy. But, good luck finding a skilled 6-10 player ready to play right away.
We also dont need one right away and how Jones seems to let the underclassmen hangout on the bench, I think we have plenty of time to develop guys. Frank and Lee gave us great years so I dont know why you wouldnt want that again. In CUSA, we would dominate.