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(09-09-2017 07:52 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]
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(09-08-2017 01:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Or just the poor performance of ODU Basketball.

Hasn't been poor...just not what we want.

+1 There are hundreds of schools that would trade places with us in a heartbeat. This does not excuse poor play or condone not meeting expectations. Just sharing that things could be much worse.
Just like there are 100's of schools I'd like to trade places with also!

List them
Yeah, there aren't even 100, much less hundreds, of schools any of us would trade places with.

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There are what 328 schools?
(09-09-2017 10:14 AM)T-Mac Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2017 07:52 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2017 09:46 PM)Spantheman34 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2017 01:59 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2017 01:40 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Hasn't been poor...just not what we want.

+1 There are hundreds of schools that would trade places with us in a heartbeat. This does not excuse poor play or condone not meeting expectations. Just sharing that things could be much worse.
Just like there are 100's of schools I'd like to trade places with also!

List them
Yeah, there aren't even 100, much less hundreds, of schools any of us would trade places with.

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P5: All of them, even the ones with **** basketball. So that's 65 right off the bat.

Big East: Probably everyone just by virtue of being in such a strong basketball conference. DePaul and maybe St. John's would be the exceptions. So we'll go with nine, and now we're looking at 74.

AAC: Uconn, Cincinnati, Wichita State definitely yes. Memphis, Temple, SMU probably yes. Houston, Tulsa, South Florida coin flip. UCF, ECU, Tulane no. I'd say eight, but your mileage may vary. That brings us to 82.

A10: Dayton and, well, you don't want me to say it. A lot of lateral movement programs otherwise. We'll give Rhode Island the benefit of the doubt since we're talking programs with which we'd trade places now and I think most of us would like to be in their spot today. Add three, score is 85.

WCC: Gonzaga, St. Mary's, BYU. Up to 88.

Mountain West: Tricky. Everyone is so up and down that it's hard to get a handle on any of them UNLV has history and Vegas but hasn't done well of late. San Diego State seems the most consistent but they've had little recent success either. Colorado State, Nevada, Fresno State, Boise State and New Mexico have their moments. I'll say two, but I'm not sure which ones. That's 90.

Everyone else: I think the rest of CUSA is at best a lateral move with the possible exception of Middle Tennessee. Nobody from the MAC or Sun Belt. The Missouri Valley ain't what it used to be — maybe Northern Iowa? Valpo if they adjust?
Belmont is an interesting case in that they have a lot of success where they are, but they get little support. It depends on what you consider better when it comes to ranking programs, I suppose. I'll say two, but like the Mountain West, not knowing who those two are. So 92.

Depending on how liberal you are with your assessments, it's possible that there are 100 or more programs you'd trade ODU for. Most likely it's in the low 90s, or less. Still a not insignificant number — by rights ODU should be firmly entrenched in the top third of D-1 programs, and even the most blue-and-silver-glasses-wearing fan here would have to acknowledge that they're in the lower portion of that top third.

tl;dr wish ODU had Kentucky's program, do not wish they had Quinnipiac's.
Might I suggest a new separate thread where we can discuss freely the current state of our Hoops team(s) and how/what can be done become the Duke/UNC/Kentucky of CUSA? Maybe of the mid-majors?

Let's refocus this thread on the recruiting of the 2018 class. For starters, any word on Williams and Wade visits this weekend? How about the visit from Reece (SF) from last weekend?
We have the best and most expensive basketball facilities in our conference. We have an alumnus active in the NBA.

We should be contending for the NCAA tournament and top recruits every year because of this.

It's as simple as expecting a high return on a big investment.

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(09-09-2017 09:07 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]We have the best and most expensive basketball facilities in our conference. We have an alumnus active in the NBA.

We should be contending for the NCAA tournament and top recruits every year because of this.

It's as simple as expecting a high return on a big investment.

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Right on point !
(09-09-2017 09:07 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]We have the best and most expensive basketball facilities in our conference. We have an alumnus active in the NBA.

We should be contending for the NCAA tournament and top recruits every year because of this.

It's as simple as expecting a high return on a big investment.

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You think a nice arena and one Nba player is what lands recruits?
No, of course not, but it certainly helps. The biggest factor in landing recruits is a head coach and his staff. Their ability to bond with recruits and sell a vision the kid responds to. Obviously, our current staff is not terribly good at this, thus the investment in infrastructure is not reaping the return it should.
I would think there are many factors. I some form of a priority order would be.....
Conference
Media exposure
Coach
University Profile including academics
Playing Time potential
Facilities including training
Staff including training
Size of incoming class
Relationship with players
Other benefits 05-nono
(09-10-2017 09:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I would think there are many factors. I some form of a priority order would be.....
Conference
Media exposure
Coach
University Profile including academics
Playing Time potential
Facilities including training
Staff including training
Size of incoming class
Relationship with players
Other benefits 05-nono

I think that style of play has relevance to some recruits also.
(09-10-2017 09:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I would think there are many factors. I some form of a priority order would be.....
Conference
Media exposure
Coach
University Profile including academics
Playing Time potential
Facilities including training
Staff including training
Size of incoming class
Relationship with players
Other benefits 05-nono

I absolutely agree except I would probably move "other benefits" right below "coach".
(09-10-2017 10:28 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-10-2017 09:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I would think there are many factors. I some form of a priority order would be.....
Conference
Media exposure
Coach
University Profile including academics
Playing Time potential
Facilities including training
Staff including training
Size of incoming class
Relationship with players
Other benefits 05-nono

I think that style of play has relevance to some recruits also.

Great catch......
All are good descriptors of key program characteristics, but I believe it likely that the priority order varies greatly from recruit to recruit.
Surprised nobody wrote hot chicks.
(09-10-2017 07:27 PM)bit_9 Wrote: [ -> ]Surprised nobody wrote hot chicks.

Thats part of "other benefits".
(09-09-2017 09:52 PM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2017 09:07 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]We have the best and most expensive basketball facilities in our conference. We have an alumnus active in the NBA.

We should be contending for the NCAA tournament and top recruits every year because of this.

It's as simple as expecting a high return on a big investment.

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You think a nice arena and one Nba player is what lands recruits?

It's certainly not a past his prime coach playing one of the most boring brands of basketball in all of the NCAA, that is for certain.
MTSU just landed a 4-star Wing. (I believe we offered as well).

Between that and WKU, JJ and staff better get on the ball for 2018.
(09-11-2017 09:22 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ]MTSU just landed a 4-star Wing. (I believe we offered as well).

Between that and WKU, JJ and staff better get on the ball for 2018.

FWIW, this guy is ranked right where Hueitt and Godwin were ranked last year; a hair below in some rankings.
Im glad to see CUSA teams recruiting good 3 & 4* players. We just need to be one of them. The top half of this conference has the potential to be quite good.

On another note, Maybe CUSA should split into two divisions for hoops. The "We care about basketball" division and the "We don't care about basketball" division. The top two winners of the two divisions meet up for a final four tournament with the winner getting the auto bid. If we did that, the #2 team in the "we care" division should have a pretty good shot at an at large bid every year. Maybe even the #3 team.
(09-11-2017 10:35 AM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]Im glad to see CUSA teams recruiting good 3 & 4* players. We just need to be one of them. The top half of this conference has the potential to be quite good.

On another note, Maybe CUSA should split into two divisions for hoops. The "We care about basketball" division and the "We don't care about basketball" division. The top two winners of the two divisions meet up for a final four tournament with the winner getting the auto bid. If we did that, the #2 team in the "we care" division should have a pretty good shot at an at large bid every year. Maybe even the #3 team.

There's got to be a way to separate the wheat from the chaff, because it's hard to tell people that winning CUSA isn't exactly easy when all they see is that 23rd ranking in the conference RPI.

My idea, which has evolved and unevolved over the years, is to do a single round-robin (13 games), then split into seven-team pods for the final six games — top half in one pod, bottom half in the other.

In the second part, you reverse the home/road alignment of the teams you played in the round-robin. Let's say the first pod is ODU, WKU, Middle Tennessee, UAB, Louisiana Tech, Marshall and Charlotte. If ODU played WKU, UAB and Marshall on the road in the round-robin, they'd host in pod play, while traveling to Middle, La. Tech and Charlotte.

First-pod members are guaranteed top-seven seeds in the conference tournament; the second pod fights for anywhere from one to five spots in the tournament (depending on whether you want eight, 10 or 12 teams).

It rewards the better teams more than it does now by giving them more games against better competition and less opportunity to get tangled in RPI messes in the bottom of the conference, thus improving their chances for an NCAA or NIT at-large bid.

The big issue, one I've yet to resolve, is unbalanced home/away schedules (if ODU happened to host all six of their pod-mates in round-robin play, then they wouldn't have any home games in the pod). You could schedule within the pod by giving everyone three home and three road games (they'd reserve the dates, then fill in the schedule accordingly), but then you run the risk of having School A visiting School B twice in the same season. The scheduling priority would be to give the road team in the first matchup the home game in the pod, but there's almost certainly going to be matchups where a 2-0 split is inevitable.

The other idea I've espoused is having the top five or six teams play a round-robin at a neutral site instead of having a regular tournament, thus giving the top teams four or five games against higher-quality competition. But then you run the risk of a) relatively meaningless last-day games and an anticlimactic conclusion, and b) having your title and NCAA auto bid decided by a tiebreaker, which always sucks.

At the very least, CUSA should consider an A-10 scheduling arrangement — figure out who the top teams are likely to be, and make sure they get home-and-homes with most of them. Though even the A-10's schedule is still regionally heavy — VCU gets Dayton twice but also Richmond, George Mason and GW. So from ODU's perspective, maybe they get one or two more good games, but perhaps not enough to effect significant change.

There's no simple answers. Simplistic, yes; simple, no.
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