According to Karl:
8-game schedule = 40 OOC games
9-game schedule = 30 OOC games
A 9 game schedule guarantees us less OOC loses. That was basically his argument haha. He has no faith in the Sun Belt. I cant say I blame him though, history backs him up.
In fairness to him though he did say in a perfect world he supports an 8-game schedule if it looks like 1 P5, 2 G5 h/h, 1 FCS.
(06-09-2016 03:34 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: [ -> ]According to Karl:
8-game schedule = 40 OOC games
9-game schedule = 30 OOC games
A 9 game schedule guarantees us less OOC loses. That was basically his argument haha. He has no faith in the Sun Belt. I cant say I blame him though, history backs him up.
If we can't win at least 20 OOC games out of 40 we either need to get better or re-evaluate our scheduling. I don't see the other option of adding 10 more conference games where we are guaranteed to go 5-5 and having 30 OC opportunities as being better. You can figure 12 of those 30 will be non-returned money games and going 0-12 likely. Maybe 8 FCS go 8-0 hopefully that leaves 10 games to play against the rest of FBS. If you have 40 you get roughly 20 peer opponent games.
9 conference games would be the biggest mistake by the conference since App joined.
The biggest disadvantage a G5 school has over it P5 competition is it is forced to play at least 8 G5 games. The individual schools have zero control over those 8 games. It doesn't make sense to tie yourself into more conference games unless you just cant land home-n-home OOC games. Personally, I think your better off playing a pay game than playing another conference game (and I feel that way about my own conference too, so its not a swipe).
(06-09-2016 08:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest disadvantage a G5 school has over it P5 competition is it is forced to play at least 8 G5 games. The individual schools have zero control over those 8 games. It doesn't make sense to tie yourself into more conference games unless you just cant land home-n-home OOC games. Personally, I think your better off playing a pay game than playing another conference game (and I feel that way about my own conference too, so its not a swipe).
I get that and I prefer we break into divisions to keep the conference games to 8 but had we not added the Conference Championship I would have been for 9 conference games because at our level a Conference Title is more important than making a NY6 bowl. IMHO
(06-09-2016 06:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games would be the biggest mistake by the conference since App joined.
So letting App join was a big mistake?
(06-09-2016 01:19 PM)airtroop Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2016 11:57 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote: [ -> ]@dennisdoddcbs
So, its official, Sun Belt now making 5x as much per school than CUSA. Basically switched places in revenue pecking order.
Think any CUSA schools have contacted the Belt lately? If I were a betting guy I'd lay a dime on "yep".
We need to be building towards offering two schools come 2018, USM and Witchita State. We must strengthen basketball and baseball by then in order to pull it off.
(06-09-2016 10:09 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2016 01:19 PM)airtroop Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2016 11:57 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote: [ -> ]@dennisdoddcbs
So, its official, Sun Belt now making 5x as much per school than CUSA. Basically switched places in revenue pecking order.
Think any CUSA schools have contacted the Belt lately? If I were a betting guy I'd lay a dime on "yep".
We need to be building towards offering two schools come 2018, USM and Witchita State. We must strengthen basketball and baseball by then in order to pull it off.
No point in Wichita State, that just further weakens the football side of the league.
(06-09-2016 09:37 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2016 08:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest disadvantage a G5 school has over it P5 competition is it is forced to play at least 8 G5 games. The individual schools have zero control over those 8 games. It doesn't make sense to tie yourself into more conference games unless you just cant land home-n-home OOC games. Personally, I think your better off playing a pay game than playing another conference game (and I feel that way about my own conference too, so its not a swipe).
I get that and I prefer we break into divisions to keep the conference games to 8 but had we not added the Conference Championship I would have been for 9 conference games because at our level a Conference Title is more important than making a NY6 bowl. IMHO
I'll trade in any of AState's titles for playing in a New Year's Six game before an audience measured in the millions, only thing is ya gotta be a conference champ to be eligible.
(06-09-2016 10:09 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2016 06:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ]9 conference games would be the biggest mistake by the conference since App joined.
So letting App join was a big mistake?
Wondered who would bust his chops for that.
When we joined some people thought so.
(06-09-2016 03:34 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: [ -> ]According to Karl:
8-game schedule = 40 OOC games
9-game schedule = 30 OOC games
A 9 game schedule guarantees us less OOC loses. That was basically his argument haha. He has no faith in the Sun Belt. I cant say I blame him though, history backs him up.
In fairness to him though he did say in a perfect world he supports an 8-game schedule if it looks like 1 P5, 2 G5 h/h, 1 FCS.
If you go back just 2 years and see the OOC results, the history does back him on that. If 6 of 10 SB schools went 2-2 the past couple of years, I can see staying with 8 conf. games.
I'm sure it will be debated a lot, cause as it stands right now, 9 conference games would help in the standings area, but it would cut on a financial basis.
I'm sure with the Sun Belt now having 5 bowl ties, that probably makes the 9 game conference schedule more plausible in a way. It would help the middle teams of the conference an a yearly basis get that 6th win. Had the SB had 9 games last year, S. Alabama most likely would be bowl eligible. In the previous year (2014), it wouldn't have made the difference, however, it would have given the top teams (Ga So, ULL) a better record (GS could be 10-2 and ULL 9-3).
Have you ever listened to the "experts" debate the merits of a BCS buster or Access Bowl contender? I don't recall a single discussion where they suggested a team needed more wins vs members of their conference, they take the position the G5 leagues suck and schools need OOC wins to prove merit.
Look at Marshall last year with a bad FCS and three bad to mediocre MAC in non-conference as I recall. Playing crappy games and winning they were struggling to get ranked and then to pass ECU and Boise (ECU collapsed eventually).