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Anyone think that raiding the MWC is a likely possibility if the Big 12 did take a few schools(UCF, Houston, Cincy, Memphis or UCONN)? Western and Eastern Division of AAC?

Zero chance.

If the Big 12 took from the Mountain West yes, but not if it is the American is raided.

depends on 3 factors

1) it can only be 2 schools

2) byu is key.. the big 12 raiding 2 AAC means byu's big 12 dream dies with it, if byu decides to join a few mwc will follow

3) our next contract will 100% include what happens when we atleast lose 1 (aresco calls it an inevitability).. if our restructured deal is still above 4mil or retains value if it's mwc replacements, they will strongly consider jumping

(05-29-2016 04:49 PM)DrBox Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..

I don't think the Presidents have given a single thought to Western expansion, since SDSU reluctantly pulled out because of the Boise deal.

So, that's why there is zero chance.

If the conference aggressively set a course for expansion that gave those schools a shot at a nice raise, that would change overnight.

(05-29-2016 08:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 04:49 PM)DrBox Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..

I don't think the Presidents have given a single thought to Western expansion, since SDSU reluctantly pulled out because of the Boise deal.

So, that's why there is zero chance.

If the conference aggressively set a course for expansion that gave those schools a shot at a nice raise, that would change overnight.

It was once a possibility but at the time to many eastern teams were added.

Uconn
Cincy
Ucf
Usf
Memphis
ECU
Temple


Sdsu
Hou
Smu
Bsu
Fresno
Unlv
Csu

(05-29-2016 08:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 08:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 04:49 PM)DrBox Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..

I don't think the Presidents have given a single thought to Western expansion, since SDSU reluctantly pulled out because of the Boise deal.

So, that's why there is zero chance.

If the conference aggressively set a course for expansion that gave those schools a shot at a nice raise, that would change overnight.

It was once a possibility but at the time to many eastern teams were added.

Uconn
Cincy
Ucf
Usf
Memphis
ECU
Temple


Sdsu
Hou
Smu
Bsu
Fresno
Unlv
Csu

I think BSU and SDSU made a huge mistake when they pulled out of the AAC deal. Being compared to Utah St and San Jose St. To be in a league with Cincy, UCONN and Houston, their overall athletic curb appeal and perception would have increased their likelihood to be a better candidate to P5 conference. BYU abandoned the MWC so they could create their own thunder and are a prime candidate to B12.

(05-29-2016 11:23 PM)romberg27 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 08:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 08:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 04:49 PM)DrBox Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..

I don't think the Presidents have given a single thought to Western expansion, since SDSU reluctantly pulled out because of the Boise deal.

So, that's why there is zero chance.

If the conference aggressively set a course for expansion that gave those schools a shot at a nice raise, that would change overnight.

It was once a possibility but at the time to many eastern teams were added.

Uconn
Cincy
Ucf
Usf
Memphis
ECU
Temple


Sdsu
Hou
Smu
Bsu
Fresno
Unlv
Csu

I think BSU and SDSU made a huge mistake when they pulled out of the AAC deal. Being compared to Utah St and San Jose St. To be in a league with Cincy, UCONN and Houston, their overall athletic curb appeal and perception would have increased their likelihood to be a better candidate to P5 conference. BYU abandoned the MWC so they could create their own thunder and are a prime candidate to B12.

I wouldn't say BYU is in a prime position. But they are in alot better of a position than the rest of the MWC.

(05-29-2016 11:23 PM)romberg27 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 08:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 08:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 04:49 PM)DrBox Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..

I don't think the Presidents have given a single thought to Western expansion, since SDSU reluctantly pulled out because of the Boise deal.

So, that's why there is zero chance.

If the conference aggressively set a course for expansion that gave those schools a shot at a nice raise, that would change overnight.

It was once a possibility but at the time to many eastern teams were added.

Uconn
Cincy
Ucf
Usf
Memphis
ECU
Temple


Sdsu
Hou
Smu
Bsu
Fresno
Unlv
Csu

I think BSU and SDSU made a huge mistake when they pulled out of the AAC deal. Being compared to Utah St and San Jose St. To be in a league with Cincy, UCONN and Houston, their overall athletic curb appeal and perception would have increased their likelihood to be a better candidate to P5 conference. BYU abandoned the MWC so they could create their own thunder and are a prime candidate to B12.

BSU's performance on the field won't hold it back in expansion discussions. Location and academics will be BSU's problems joining a better conference. The only plausible way would be a BYU/BSU combo for it to make any sense. With the addition of wvu I would say the b12 will add from the east. After bsu and sdsu joined the AAC only pulled in cusa members for additions making it on par with the MWC and not a true best of the rest type conferance. From BSU's perspective it's better to be a full member playing UNLV than a football only member playing Tulane. With BSU's history and name recognition they will get the bennifit of the doubt for the access bowl slot so it made sense to play in a regional conference.

(05-29-2016 04:33 PM)romberg27 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone think that raiding the MWC is a likely possibility if the Big 12 did take a few schools(UCF, Houston, Cincy, Memphis or UCONN)? Western and Eastern Division of AAC?

Probably not.

The most valuable FB school in the MWC is Boise State. They are taken care of well by the MWC and the bonus pool money.

Secondly there is a thought in MWC quarters that BYU if they don't get a B12 bid could find themselves wanting to rejoin the MWC. The fall back expansion plan by the MWC is UTEP/Rice.

If the AAC lost UCF, Houston, Cincy and Memphis to the B12, the MWC will be trying to throw a life line to BYU and perhaps adding one more school like SMU in the process.

If the additions are BYU, Houston, Cincy and Memphis, the MWC will try to target SMU and Tulsa and if they don't want to move UTEP, Rice.

Basically its hard to envision a scenario post expansion where Boise would feel it was better off in a depleted AAC over an enhanced MWC. Two Texas schools from CUSA would be an enhancement for the MWC and Boise who could move to the Pacific division.

(05-29-2016 08:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 04:49 PM)DrBox Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..

I guess I misunderstood his proposition. I thought he proposed AAC teams leaving for MWC.

(05-30-2016 04:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2016 04:33 PM)romberg27 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone think that raiding the MWC is a likely possibility if the Big 12 did take a few schools(UCF, Houston, Cincy, Memphis or UCONN)? Western and Eastern Division of AAC?

Probably not.

The most valuable FB school in the MWC is Boise State. They are taken care of well by the MWC and the bonus pool money.

Secondly there is a thought in MWC quarters that BYU if they don't get a B12 bid could find themselves wanting to rejoin the MWC. The fall back expansion plan by the MWC is UTEP/Rice.

If the AAC lost UCF, Houston, Cincy and Memphis to the B12, the MWC will be trying to throw a life line to BYU and perhaps adding one more school like SMU in the process.

If the additions are BYU, Houston, Cincy and Memphis, the MWC will try to target SMU and Tulsa and if they don't want to move UTEP, Rice.

Basically its hard to envision a scenario post expansion where Boise would feel it was better off in a depleted AAC over an enhanced MWC. Two Texas schools from CUSA would be an enhancement for the MWC and Boise who could move to the Pacific division.

but a 4 team expansion has almost zero percent chance in the immediate future

the aac will lose 2 atmost in the forseeable future
no combination of any 2 teams completely devalues the AAC

other points..smu hates the west, they were in the WAC and absolutely hated it, they made a couple public declarations against the mwc rumors

the mwc is imploding from the inside out, unfair revenue distribution and crumbling basketball strength
byu most powerful alum/donors have said they will never return to the mwc, nothing like that has ever been made towards the AAC

and if we raided the MWC it wouldn't start with boise who we have a bad relationship with, it would be sdsu or air force who we have a good relationship with, or CSU...boise would then leave if others left

UNM and Air Force make the most sense.

(05-30-2016 08:41 PM)panicstricken Wrote: [ -> ]UNM and Air Force make the most sense.

The B12 could be left with next to nothing with Texas,Okla,OKS and Texas gone.
The rest of the leftovers can have BYU,Boise,Col St and SD st as well as Houston,Cinn,Conn,Memphis and ECU

(05-30-2016 10:24 PM)Rich52c Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-30-2016 08:41 PM)panicstricken Wrote: [ -> ]UNM and Air Force make the most sense.

The B12 could be left with next to nothing with Texas,Okla,OKS and Texas gone.
The rest of the leftovers can have BYU,Boise,Col St and SD st as well as Houston,Cinn,Conn,Memphis and ECU

Those small-market leftovers aren't going to attract all that. There is no money in it. If there was, Texas wouldn't leave.

(05-31-2016 06:19 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-30-2016 10:24 PM)Rich52c Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-30-2016 08:41 PM)panicstricken Wrote: [ -> ]UNM and Air Force make the most sense.

The B12 could be left with next to nothing with Texas,Okla,OKS and Texas gone.
The rest of the leftovers can have BYU,Boise,Col St and SD st as well as Houston,Cinn,Conn,Memphis and ECU

Those small-market leftovers aren't going to attract all that. There is no money in it. If there was, Texas wouldn't leave.

Depends on the alternative. The left behind Big12 schools won't attract 20 million a team---but they don't need to make 20 million a team to attract schools making only 2 million a team.

It will be clear there is a G4 when the AAC and MWC media contracts are negotiated. The MWC value to media is close to zero. The Arizona Bowl is an indication. You can't watch it.

(05-31-2016 10:38 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote: [ -> ]It will be clear there is a G4 when the AAC and MWC media contracts are negotiated. The MWC value to media is close to zero. The Arizona Bowl is an indication. You can't watch it.

It will be interesting to see. I remember a lot of big talk last time before signing a deal in line with the mwc. With BSU's football inventory and new stadiums in Las Vegas and ft Collins I like where the mwc is headed.

Why raid when we can merge?

Someone noted on another thread, sorry can't remember who or on what thread (probably homer or attack), that BYU is the key for the AAC... they either go to the B12 in which case we have likely not been decimated, or they don't go to the B12 in which case we have an excellent chance of adding BYU and perhaps with a few more western teams. I thought that was a great, logical point and bodes well for the AAC. Not that I think we absolutely need BYU... we are doing great without them. But they would be a quality add, and as things shake out the AAC (one way or another) will maintain as the 'tweener' conference.