1) George "Iceman" Gervin
2) Grant Long
3) The Late Kennedy Macintosh
4) Earl Boykins
5) Fred Cofield
6) Charles Thomas
7) Derrick Dial
8) Carl Thomas
9) Marcus Kennedy
10) Lorenzo Neely
Well - the dog days of summer are almost upon us.
Who am I missing?
I am searching for video highlights of Gervin at EMU
Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
Earle Higgens before some in your top 10
John Bowler?
Carl was the more accomplished Thomas twin. He had a much better career than Charles. Lorenzo Neely was the engine that drove that team.
Wouldn't you HAVE to include Brandon Bowdry and John Bowler, even though they played on bad teams?
Theron Wilson has to be mentioned. He was an absolute force on defense and became a good offensive player.
(05-21-2016 04:46 PM)KPJ Wrote: [ -> ]Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
Yes. Tolbert is very worthy.
(05-21-2016 06:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]Carl was the more accomplished Thomas twin. He had a much better career than Charles. Lorenzo Neely was the engine that drove that team.
Wouldn't you HAVE to include Brandon Bowdry and John Bowler, even though they played on bad teams?
Theron Wilson has to be mentioned. He was an absolute force on defense and became a good offensive player.
Agree with your additions. I'll kick in James Head, Kareem Carpenter, and Vince Giles. There was another forward from the early 80s. Drawing a blank on the name.
(05-21-2016 06:15 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 06:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]Carl was the more accomplished Thomas twin. He had a much better career than Charles. Lorenzo Neely was the engine that drove that team.
Wouldn't you HAVE to include Brandon Bowdry and John Bowler, even though they played on bad teams?
Theron Wilson has to be mentioned. He was an absolute force on defense and became a good offensive player.
Agree with your additions. I'll kick in James Head, Kareem Carpenter, and Vince Giles. There was another forward from the early 80s. Drawing a blank on the name.
Ha! I was gonna go Vince Giles! He was great. Are you thinking of Jeff Zatkoff?
(05-21-2016 06:24 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 06:15 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 06:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]Carl was the more accomplished Thomas twin. He had a much better career than Charles. Lorenzo Neely was the engine that drove that team.
Wouldn't you HAVE to include Brandon Bowdry and John Bowler, even though they played on bad teams?
Theron Wilson has to be mentioned. He was an absolute force on defense and became a good offensive player.
Agree with your additions. I'll kick in James Head, Kareem Carpenter, and Vince Giles. There was another forward from the early 80s. Drawing a blank on the name.
Ha! I was gonna go Vince Giles! He was great. Are you thinking of Jeff Zatkoff?
That's it.
I looked up the Thomas twins stats at Eastern and unfortunately Charles would not make the cut. He scored 710 points in his career, averaging 6.5 ppg. Carl scored over 1,000 points (1,179) and averaged 10.4 over 4 years. We remember the magical Sweet 16 season where Carl averaged 14.1 ppg and Charles 10.3 and those guys along with Kennedy, Neely, and Hallas made such a great, cohesive team, which nobody can ever take that away from them.
Individually however, I don't think they are going unseat some of the other all time great players that Eastern has produced over the years.
*I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge that both Carl and Charles were excellent defenders too though.
(05-21-2016 04:46 PM)KPJ Wrote: [ -> ]Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
I loved watching Brian The Man Tolbert play. I remember the crowd chanting T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, those days were awesome!
As great as BT was, I don't think he would knock anybody off this list because everyone played in the NBA except Neely. Lo Neely took us to the sweet 16.....got to leave BT out of top ten but just barely.
(05-21-2016 10:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 04:46 PM)KPJ Wrote: [ -> ]Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
I loved watching Brian The Man Tolbert play. I remember the crowd chanting T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, those days were awesome!
As great as BT was, I don't think he would knock anybody off this list because everyone played in the NBA except Neely. Lo Neely took us to the sweet 16.....got to leave BT out of top ten but just barely.
Charles Thomas should not be on the list. He barely played in the NBA--a handful of games with the Pistons as an undrafted rookie when the Pistons were beginning their slide. Tolbert had a way better college career. Just look at their numbers. Charles Thomas averaged 6.5 ppg.
(05-21-2016 11:39 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 10:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 04:46 PM)KPJ Wrote: [ -> ]Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
I loved watching Brian The Man Tolbert play. I remember the crowd chanting T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, those days were awesome!
As great as BT was, I don't think he would knock anybody off this list because everyone played in the NBA except Neely. Lo Neely took us to the sweet 16.....got to leave BT out of top ten but just barely.
Charles Thomas should not be on the list. He barely played in the NBA--a handful of games with the Pistons as an undrafted rookie when the Pistons were beginning their slide. Tolbert had a way better college career. Just look at their numbers. Charles Thomas averaged 6.5 ppg.
If one can make the list with a minimal ppg, I want to add 'Dream' Weaver from the late 70s.
Not the best player but had the great name... Matter of fact, I can't remember his first name...
(05-21-2016 06:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]Carl was the more accomplished Thomas twin. He had a much better career than Charles. Lorenzo Neely was the engine that drove that team.
Wouldn't you HAVE to include Brandon Bowdry and John Bowler, even though they played on bad teams?
Theron Wilson has to be mentioned. He was an absolute force on defense and became a good offensive player.
Bob,
You might be right about Brandon Bowdry. I watched him eat up MSU and Dramond Greene. After Bowdry torched Greene for 33 pts I really felt Bowdry would play in the NBA. I have always felt Greene was over rated even to this day.
I wonder why Brandon never stuck with an NBA team? I would find a spot for Bowdry on my top 10.
Loved Wilson too when he came ready to play. Sometimes he disappeared in games.
(05-21-2016 11:39 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 10:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 04:46 PM)KPJ Wrote: [ -> ]Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
I loved watching Brian The Man Tolbert play. I remember the crowd chanting T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, those days were awesome!
As great as BT was, I don't think he would knock anybody off this list because everyone played in the NBA except Neely. Lo Neely took us to the sweet 16.....got to leave BT out of top ten but just barely.
Charles Thomas should not be on the list. He barely played in the NBA--a handful of games with the Pistons as an undrafted rookie when the Pistons were beginning their slide. Tolbert had a way better college career. Just look at their ns,umbers. Charles Thomas averaged 6.5 ppg.
Yes, we'll add BT
(05-22-2016 05:26 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 11:39 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 10:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 04:46 PM)KPJ Wrote: [ -> ]Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
I loved watching Brian The Man Tolbert play. I remember the crowd chanting T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, those days were awesome!
As great as BT was, I don't think he would knock anybody off this list because everyone played in the NBA except Neely. Lo Neely took us to the sweet 16.....got to leave BT out of top ten but just barely.
Charles Thomas should not be on the list. He barely played in the NBA--a handful of games with the Pistons as an undrafted rookie when the Pistons were beginning their slide. Tolbert had a way better college career. Just look at their numbers. Charles Thomas averaged 6.5 ppg.
If one can make the list with a minimal ppg, I want to add 'Dream' Weaver from the late 70s.
Not the best player but had the great name... Matter of fact, I can't remember his first name...
Bill weaver out of niles mi part of a great SW mi area senior class
Can anyone post a link that gives men's career hoops stats by category?
Actually the most recent media guide for men's hoops has career stats starting on page 80 and following.
(05-22-2016 06:22 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-22-2016 05:26 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 11:39 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 10:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 04:46 PM)KPJ Wrote: [ -> ]Brian Tolbert should probably be in there.
I loved watching Brian The Man Tolbert play. I remember the crowd chanting T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, those days were awesome!
As great as BT was, I don't think he would knock anybody off this list because everyone played in the NBA except Neely. Lo Neely took us to the sweet 16.....got to leave BT out of top ten but just barely.
Charles Thomas should not be on the list. He barely played in the NBA--a handful of games with the Pistons as an undrafted rookie when the Pistons were beginning their slide. Tolbert had a way better college career. Just look at their numbers. Charles Thomas averaged 6.5 ppg.
If one can make the list with a minimal ppg, I want to add 'Dream' Weaver from the late 70s.
Not the best player but had the great name... Matter of fact, I can't remember his first name...
Bill weaver out of niles mi part of a great SW mi area senior class
Used to call him 'Dream Weaver". Right name, right time...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Weaver
(05-22-2016 06:59 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (05-22-2016 06:22 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-22-2016 05:26 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 11:39 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2016 10:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]I loved watching Brian The Man Tolbert play. I remember the crowd chanting T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, T.O.O.O.O..L-.-.-B.E.R.T, those days were awesome!
As great as BT was, I don't think he would knock anybody off this list because everyone played in the NBA except Neely. Lo Neely took us to the sweet 16.....got to leave BT out of top ten but just barely.
Charles Thomas should not be on the list. He barely played in the NBA--a handful of games with the Pistons as an undrafted rookie when the Pistons were beginning their slide. Tolbert had a way better college career. Just look at their numbers. Charles Thomas averaged 6.5 ppg.
If one can make the list with a minimal ppg, I want to add 'Dream' Weaver from the late 70s.
Not the best player but had the great name... Matter of fact, I can't remember his first name...
Bill weaver out of niles mi part of a great SW mi area senior class
Used to call him 'Dream Weaver". Right name, right time...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Weaver
Bill Weaver Niles, EMU, Tom Scheffler St Joe Purdue, Leo Drake Niles Brandywine CMU, Edgar Wilson Dowagic MSU football and basketball Charlie Shafer Jr Stevensville Lakeshore MSU football TE Anthony Wooden and Donnie Childs Benton Harbor
(05-21-2016 02:38 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]1) George "Iceman" Gervin
2) Grant Long
3) The Late Kennedy Macintosh
4) Earl Boykins
5) Fred Cofield
6) Charles Thomas
7) Derrick Dial
8) Carl Thomas
9) Marcus Kennedy
10) Lorenzo Neely
Well - the dog days of summer are almost upon us.
Who am I missing?
I am searching for video highlights of Gervin at EMU
Just for fun Gervin ranks number 25 in career scoring. Some of the guys missed who I believe are in the top 10 career scoring or very close and not mentioned here: Carlos Medlock, Harvey Marlatt and Gary Tyson. I had mentioned Earle Higgens, Higgens ranks 18 in EMU scoring ahead of some of the names mentioned in this thread like Cofield and Carl Thomas and also 15th in career rebounding, I had also mentioned Bowler who has similar standings in both scoring and rebounding.
Theron Wilson, this should be broken into 2 groups best defensive team and best offensive team.