I don't see a network anytime soon...I'd say we are about 2 years away...too much BS with the Raycom deal. Disney is going to have figure out their long term priorities with online streaming first.
If the leaders of the two leagues were smart enough, they would find a way to create a joint ACC-Big XII network. Make it for 6 years or so with the option to split up later. Combination of better content and bigger footprint.
I think an ACC Network is definitely in the works. It's been reported that ESPN has to pay the ACC an additional $45 million per year if no network is announced by 7/1/16. That's $45 million extra for nothing more than they already have. I feel pretty confident ESPN can create and produce an ACC network for less than that annually. Even if they have a net loss, it would still be cheaper to have the network than shelling out $45 mil for nothing.
The Big 12 on the other hand, has a Texas problem. UT is not giving up the LHN to do "what's best for the conference". I don't see a B12 network anytime soon.
Topper not exactly nothing....the ACC is about to be a prime college property for them. Just behind the SEC
(05-10-2016 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]If the leaders of the two leagues were smart enough, they would find a way to create a joint ACC-Big XII network. Make it for 6 years or so with the option to split up later. Combination of better content and bigger footprint.
Why stop there? They could also package it with NFL, NBA, NHL, and SEC content. Then they could call it "ESPN."
(05-10-2016 11:27 AM)nzmorange Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]If the leaders of the two leagues were smart enough, they would find a way to create a joint ACC-Big XII network. Make it for 6 years or so with the option to split up later. Combination of better content and bigger footprint.
Why stop there? They could also package it with NFL, NBA, NHL, and SEC content. Then they could call it "ESPN."
The reason is simple. Once the SEC and Big Ten split off, it makes it necessary for others to do the same. I get your point, but if those two are getting what amounts to 2 paychecks, the ACC needs a second job as well.
(05-10-2016 11:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 11:27 AM)nzmorange Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]If the leaders of the two leagues were smart enough, they would find a way to create a joint ACC-Big XII network. Make it for 6 years or so with the option to split up later. Combination of better content and bigger footprint.
Why stop there? They could also package it with NFL, NBA, NHL, and SEC content. Then they could call it "ESPN."
The reason is simple. Once the SEC and Big Ten split off, it makes it necessary for others to do the same. I get your point, but if those two are getting what amounts to 2 paychecks, the ACC needs a second job as well.
Why would a network model make more money? I assume that your answer is "bundling changes elasticities" (
I still owe you an Excel doc about this). If that is your answer, then why would bundling the Big XII with the ACC make more than just ACC content + just Big XII content OR all content bundled together?
ACC and Big12 complement each other in a synergistic way. Imagine a network with FSU s Syracuse at noon, WVU vs Baylor at 3:30, and Miami vs Pitt at 7:00. Put that in all Acc and Big12 states. Now stir in a few extra OOC matches.
A joint B12-ACC network will never, ever happen. We don't need the B12 to have a profitable network (just a hunch, could be wrong). Better solution is to invite half the B12, have ND join in full and have a monstrous ACC network with monstrous profits. Similar to a joint network - same footprint, but less mouths to feed.
(05-10-2016 03:10 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]A joint B12-ACC network will never, ever happen. We don't need the B12 to have a profitable network (just a hunch, could be wrong). Better solution is to invite half the B12, have ND join in full and have a monstrous ACC network with monstrous profits. Similar to a joint network - same footprint, but less mouths to feed.
That COULD happen.
(05-10-2016 03:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 03:10 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]A joint B12-ACC network will never, ever happen. We don't need the B12 to have a profitable network (just a hunch, could be wrong). Better solution is to invite half the B12, have ND join in full and have a monstrous ACC network with monstrous profits. Similar to a joint network - same footprint, but less mouths to feed.
That COULD happen.
COULD you imagine?
Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Baylor, Louisville
ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC
NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Miami
FSU, Clemson, VT, NC State, WF
drop Baylor and WV, pick up Kansas and TCU. Let WV rot.
(05-10-2016 03:43 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 03:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 03:10 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]A joint B12-ACC network will never, ever happen. We don't need the B12 to have a profitable network (just a hunch, could be wrong). Better solution is to invite half the B12, have ND join in full and have a monstrous ACC network with monstrous profits. Similar to a joint network - same footprint, but less mouths to feed.
That COULD happen.
COULD you imagine?
Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Baylor, Louisville
ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC
NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Miami
FSU, Clemson, VT, NC State, WF
(05-10-2016 04:03 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]drop Baylor and WV, pick up Kansas and TCU. Let WV rot.
(05-10-2016 03:43 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 03:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 03:10 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]A joint B12-ACC network will never, ever happen. We don't need the B12 to have a profitable network (just a hunch, could be wrong). Better solution is to invite half the B12, have ND join in full and have a monstrous ACC network with monstrous profits. Similar to a joint network - same footprint, but less mouths to feed.
That COULD happen.
COULD you imagine?
Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Baylor, Louisville
ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC
NC, Duke, Virginia, GT, Miami
FSU, Clemson, VT, NC State, WF
(05-10-2016 10:33 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Topper not exactly nothing....the ACC is about to be a prime college property for them. Just behind the SEC
Now if We can just wrestle ND away from that NBC contract and Add Cincinnati, ESPN would be able to flood Fox's B1G contract markets in the back yards of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan with an ACC network along with N.J., Pennsylvania with Pitt, Syracuse.
(05-10-2016 04:49 PM)CardFan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2016 10:33 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Topper not exactly nothing....the ACC is about to be a prime college property for them. Just behind the SEC
Now if We can just wrestle ND away from that NBC contract and Add Cincinnati, ESPN would be able to flood Fox's B1G contract markets in the back yards of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan with an ACC network along with N.J., Pennsylvania with Pitt, Syracuse.
Should be very simple!!!!
I heard someone say on a radio talk show that there is a clause in the Notre Dame contract with NBC which releases the Irish if they ever join a conference for football. Has anyone else ever heard that?
(05-10-2016 02:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]ACC and Big12 complement each other in a synergistic way. Imagine a network with FSU s Syracuse at noon, WVU vs Baylor at 3:30, and Miami vs Pitt at 7:00. Put that in all Acc and Big12 states. Now stir in a few extra OOC matches.
Why is that better than the current ESPN model and/or 2 networks w/ the content that you just described, plus additional content?
(05-10-2016 07:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I heard someone say on a radio talk sho"w that there is a clause in the Notre Dame contract with NBC which releases the Irish if they ever join a conference for football. Has anyone else ever heard that?
Yes it has been thrown about one time or the other.