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Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

Free speech and religious freedom, just as long as the majority of people who support the religion are brown.

Department of Justice: Title IX Requires Violating First Amendment
April 25, 2016

WASHINGTON, April 25, 2016—The Department of Justice now interprets Title IX to require colleges and universities to violate the First Amendment.

In an April 22 findings letter concluding its investigation into the University of New Mexico’s policies and practices regarding sex discrimination, the Department of Justice (DOJ) found the university improperly defined sexual harassment. DOJ flatly declared that “[u]nwelcome conduct of a sexual nature”—including “verbal conduct”—is sexual harassment “regardless of whether it causes a hostile environment or is quid pro quo.”

To comply with Title IX, DOJ states that a college or university “carries the responsibility to investigate” all speech of a sexual nature that someone subjectively finds unwelcome, even if that speech is protected by the First Amendment or an institution’s promises of free speech.

“The Department of Justice has put universities in an impossible position: violate the Constitution or risk losing federal funding,” said Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) President & CEO Greg Lukianoff. “The federal government’s push for a national speech code is at odds with decades of legal precedent. University presidents must find the courage to stand up to this federal overreach.”

The shockingly broad conception of sexual harassment mandated by DOJ all but guarantees that colleges and universities nationwide will subject students and faculty to months-long investigations—or worse—for protected speech. In recent years, unjust “sexual harassment” investigations into protected student and faculty speech have generated national headlines and widespread concern. Examples include:

Northwestern University Professor Laura Kipnis was investigated for months for writing a newspaper article questioning “sexual paranoia” on campus and how Title IX investigations are conducted.
Syracuse University law student Len Audaer was investigated for harassment for comedic articles he posted on a satirical law school blog patterned after The Onion.
A female student at the University of Oregon was investigated and charged with harassment and four other charges for jokingly yelling “I hit it first” out a window at a couple.
The Sun Star, a student newspaper at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, was investigated for nearly a year for an April Fools’ Day issue of the newspaper and for reporting on hateful messages posted to an anonymous “UAF Confessions” Facebook page.
And just two weeks ago, a police officer at the University of Delaware ordered students to censor a “free speech ball”—put up as part of a demonstration in favor of free speech—because it had the word “*****” and an accompanying drawing on it, claiming that it could violate the university’s sexual misconduct policy.
DOJ’s rationale would not just legitimize all of the above investigations—it would require campuses to either conduct such investigations routinely or face potential federal sanctions.

This latest findings letter doubles down on the unconstitutional and controversial “blueprint” definition of sexual harassment jointly issued by DOJ and the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights in a May 2013 findings letter to the University of Montana. FIRE and other civil liberties advocates at the time warned that the controversial language threatens the free speech and academic freedom rights of students and faculty members.

“Requiring colleges to investigate and record ‘unwelcome’ speech about sex or gender in an effort to end sexual harassment or assault on campus is no more constitutional than would be a government effort to investigate and record all ‘unpatriotic’ speech in order to root out treason,” said Robert Shibley, FIRE’s executive director. “Students, faculty, and administrators must not give in to this kind of campus totalitarianism—and FIRE is here to fight alongside them.”

In January, FIRE sponsored a lawsuit filed against Louisiana State University (LSU) that challenges the unconstitutional definition of sexual harassment being promulgated by the Departments of Education and Justice in this and in previous letters. Teresa Buchanan, a tenured associate professor of early childhood education in LSU’s acclaimed teacher certification program, was fired for “sexual harassment” under an LSU policy that tracks the federal government’s broad definition. Buchanan’s lawsuit challenges the policy’s constitutionality and its application to her.

FIRE is a nonpartisan, nonprofit educational foundation that unites civil rights and civil liberties leaders, scholars, journalists, and public intellectuals from across the political and ideological spectrum on behalf of individual rights, freedom of expression, academic freedom, due process, and freedom of conscience at our nation’s colleges and universities. FIRE’s efforts to preserve liberty on campuses across America can be viewed at thefire.org.

CONTACT:

Nico Perrino, Director of Communications, FIRE: 215-717-3473; media@thefire.org

Schools: University of New Mexico
Cases: Department of Justice: Letter to University of New Mexico Says Title IX Requires Violating First Amendment Departments of Education and Justice: National “Blueprint” for Unconstitutional Speech Codes

https://www.thefire.org/department-of-ju...amendment/

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

I guess some folks stepped outside of the asinine "free speech zone".

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

My guess is that the reason for the permits is to prohibit unwanted harassment of secular students at NC State by outsiders.

There a difference between the bowling club and a group that hands out literature demeaning or degrading many in the University community.

If that means that the Bowling club will have to play by the same rules as Grace "Church", fine. But under no circumstances should and entitlement for harassment or unwanted religious preaching be permitted without limit at NC State.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that the reason for the permits is to prohibit unwanted harassment of secular students at NC State by outsiders.

If secular students are hearing dog whistles about all the evils of Christians from a table on the campus green, then secular students are the dog.

What if I felt the same way about being harassed by tables of Muslims and Gays when I was on Campus. The nerve of them! Passing out literature! Asking if I wanted to talk! Offering me a cookie. But because I didn't support those groups, that was racist, right? Homophobic perhaps?

Seems to me that much of the Democrat party is made up of anti-Christian bigots.

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

It’s as if liberals can’t wrap their heads around the notion that not everybody plays by their unicorn-and-rainbow rules, whether thats a conservative, a commentator, or a jerk preacher

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

I remember the crazy preacher guy that came to campus every year. We used to listen to his craziness and engage/laugh at him. Never once crossed my mind that he should be banned from campus or that his free speech should be taken away. I guess times have changed with the whole "safe space" and "free speech" zone crap these days.

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

My guess is that the reason for the permits is to prohibit unwanted harassment of secular students at NC State by outsiders.

There a difference between the bowling club and a group that hands out literature demeaning or degrading many in the University community.

If that means that the Bowling club will have to play by the same rules as Grace "Church", fine. But under no circumstances should and entitlement for harassment or unwanted religious preaching be permitted without limit at NC State.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

So much ****** up thinking in your response. It's almost unfathomable that people like you who look for discrimination and and harassment at every turn exist. I hope to God you won't be procreating and pray that your influence on young and impressionable minds is limited.

explain this one:

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]There a difference between the bowling club and a group that hands out literature demeaning or degrading many in the University community.

I didn't see the list of complaints from students that were treated unfairly by walking past the group or being handed a flier. Fortunately most NC State students appear to have the common sense not to be offended at the mere presence of Christian group at the Student Union.

How the hell can you possibly think an 'entitlement for harassment' exists when the group followed every requirement and obtained the permits necessary to take part just like other groups?

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

My guess is that the reason for the permits is to prohibit unwanted harassment of secular students at NC State by outsiders.

There a difference between the bowling club and a group that hands out literature demeaning or degrading many in the University community.

If that means that the Bowling club will have to play by the same rules as Grace "Church", fine. But under no circumstances should and entitlement for harassment or unwanted religious preaching be permitted without limit at NC State.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

I don't know about you...but...I also went to college to experience LIFE..not just to get an education. I agree that I did not want to be harassed and what you describe I would a personal attack that should not be allowed....but...I have to say that limiting free speech on a college campus is dangerous and goes directly against what should be part of a well rounded education. We act like college students are children and do not have the ability to make choices for themselves and think freely. That is total BS. Having free access to all kinds of information and opinions is what makes higher learning exciting and worthwhile. Censorship, PC and ANY limit on free speech should be MORE intolerable than anything on a college campus.

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that the reason for the permits is to prohibit unwanted harassment of secular students at NC State by outsiders.

And if non secular students don't want to be harassed by an LGBT group should the LGBT groups be similarly restricted?

Quote:I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

Funny I went to school to get an education. Having the editorial board of the student news paper say Christians should get booted in the head is not part of the deal. (yes that happened at UB)

The people who seem lease concerned about just getting an education and getting out are the BLM folks who invade a library to harass studying students.

What was you take on Mizzou?

The group appears to be upset that they are stuck in a corner where they can't harass people. And where people can easily avoid listening to them if they don't want to attend some sort of involunatary church service or anti-Gay political rally.

Many of these groups don't pray for or with people. They pray AT them.

(04-29-2016 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

I remember the crazy preacher guy that came to campus every year. We used to listen to his craziness and engage/laugh at him. Never once crossed my mind that he should be banned from campus or that his free speech should be taken away. I guess times have changed with the whole "safe space" and "free speech" zone crap these days.

Same here. They was a crazy preacher, and his side kick a woman who used to coke whore, that hit up most of the midwestern campuses in the 80's, and they were always yelling stuff about everyone is going to hell.
Students thought it was funny. Nobody's feelings got hurt. Of course this was the 80's. Nobody can hurt your feelings, only you can allow it to happen.

(04-29-2016 10:36 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that the reason for the permits is to prohibit unwanted harassment of secular students at NC State by outsiders.

If secular students are hearing dog whistles about all the evils of Christians from a table on the campus green, then secular students are the dog.

What if I felt the same way about being harassed by tables of Muslims and Gays when I was on Campus. The nerve of them! Passing out literature! Asking if I wanted to talk! Offering me a cookie. But because I didn't support those groups, that was racist, right? Homophobic perhaps?

Seems to me that much of the Democrat party is made up of anti-Christian bigots.

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

It’s as if liberals can’t wrap their heads around the notion that not everybody plays by their unicorn-and-rainbow rules, whether thats a conservative, a commentator, or a jerk preacher

Well said

"Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal."

Having people call me a rapist of the land and facing imminent destruction by global warming isn't part of the deal either. Neither is being harassed, bullied and called a racist for not supporting whatever their latest far left LGBT or minority political issue isn't either.

As always, Tom is a flaming hypocrite of epic proportions, and totally blind to it.

(04-29-2016 11:23 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]The group appears to be upset that they are stuck in a corner where they can't harass people. And where people can easily avoid listening to them if they don't want to attend some sort of involunatary church service or anti-Gay political rally.

Many of these groups don't pray for or with people. They pray AT them.

So where are the complaints against them?

(04-29-2016 11:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:36 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that the reason for the permits is to prohibit unwanted harassment of secular students at NC State by outsiders.

If secular students are hearing dog whistles about all the evils of Christians from a table on the campus green, then secular students are the dog.

What if I felt the same way about being harassed by tables of Muslims and Gays when I was on Campus. The nerve of them! Passing out literature! Asking if I wanted to talk! Offering me a cookie. But because I didn't support those groups, that was racist, right? Homophobic perhaps?

Seems to me that much of the Democrat party is made up of anti-Christian bigots.

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

It’s as if liberals can’t wrap their heads around the notion that not everybody plays by their unicorn-and-rainbow rules, whether thats a conservative, a commentator, or a jerk preacher

Well said

It's like they are scared of being challenged or getting their feelings hurt. It's really hard to comprehend.

(04-29-2016 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

I remember the crazy preacher guy that came to campus every year. We used to listen to his craziness and engage/laugh at him. Never once crossed my mind that he should be banned from campus or that his free speech should be taken away. I guess times have changed with the whole "safe space" and "free speech" zone crap these days.

There was guy at ECU in the early 80s that walked around with a Bible all the time preaching and telling girls they were sinning by wearing skimpy clothes and railing against anything he could find to preach about. Everyone pretty much laughed at him and ignored him. Once in a while he would draw a crowd and people would engage him in debate. I never saw anyone get overly loud or mad with him and for sure no violence occurred. I alway thought that was the way it should have been.

(04-29-2016 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

I remember the crazy preacher guy that came to campus every year. We used to listen to his craziness and engage/laugh at him. Never once crossed my mind that he should be banned from campus or that his free speech should be taken away. I guess times have changed with the whole "safe space" and "free speech" zone crap these days.

There was guy at ECU in the early 80s that walked around with a Bible all the time preaching and telling girls they were sinning by wearing skimpy clothes and railing against anything he could find to preach about. Everyone pretty much laughed at him and ignored him. Once in a while he would draw a crowd and people would engage him in debate. I never saw anyone get overly loud or mad with him and for sure no violence occurred. I alway thought that was the way it should have been.

This. Folks debated the guy and didn't think to ban him from campus, etc. I think today's folks are just pussified and don't know how to deal with diversity of thought, etc. It's ironic in that they all want diversification in everything EXCEPT thought. Sad really that folks would rather ban someone than listen and engage/debate.

(04-29-2016 11:30 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State


What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

I remember the crazy preacher guy that came to campus every year. We used to listen to his craziness and engage/laugh at him. Never once crossed my mind that he should be banned from campus or that his free speech should be taken away. I guess times have changed with the whole "safe space" and "free speech" zone crap these days.

There was guy at ECU in the early 80s that walked around with a Bible all the time preaching and telling girls they were sinning by wearing skimpy clothes and railing against anything he could find to preach about. Everyone pretty much laughed at him and ignored him. Once in a while he would draw a crowd and people would engage him in debate. I never saw anyone get overly loud or mad with him and for sure no violence occurred. I alway thought that was the way it should have been.

This. Folks debated the guy and didn't think to ban him from campus, etc. I think today's folks are just pussified and don't know how to deal with diversity of thought, etc. It's ironic in that they all want diversification in everything EXCEPT thought. Sad really that folks would rather ban someone than listen and engage/debate.

There were also a bunch of NOI's running around with their black bowties praising Mohammed and LF. Same thing happened with them. No one thought about banning them.

(04-29-2016 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 10:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2016 08:17 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Christian's need permit to talk about Jeses at NC State

Quote:The university has a campus-wide policy that requires a permit for any kind of student speech anywhere on campus. However, ADF attorneys say the policy is unconstitutional and was used to discriminate against Grace Christian Life.

Although Grace Christian Life followed school policy and obtained a permit, they say they were still prohibited from passing out fliers, leaving their student tables, and talking about Jesus.

Meanwhile, other student organizations were able to speak freely without a permit.

"Grace Christian Life members observed and documented numerous other groups freely speaking with other students and handing out literature either without a permit or outside of the area reserved by their table permit — sometimes in full view of the same officials that stopped Grace Christian Life from doing the same," ADF said in a statement on the firm's website.

"Public universities are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, not places where students need a permit just to exercise their constitutionally protected freedoms," ADF attorney Tyson Langhofer told The News & Observer. "The only permit needed to engage in free speech is the First Amendment."

What the hell happened? Colleges used to encourage free-thinking and open discussions. Now they are just another rung on the ladder of indoctrination.

I went to school to get an education. Having outsiders telling me I'm going to hell is not part of the deal.

I remember the crazy preacher guy that came to campus every year. We used to listen to his craziness and engage/laugh at him. Never once crossed my mind that he should be banned from campus or that his free speech should be taken away. I guess times have changed with the whole "safe space" and "free speech" zone crap these days.

There was guy at ECU in the early 80s that walked around with a Bible all the time preaching and telling girls they were sinning by wearing skimpy clothes and railing against anything he could find to preach about. Everyone pretty much laughed at him and ignored him. Once in a while he would draw a crowd and people would engage him in debate. I never saw anyone get overly loud or mad with him and for sure no violence occurred. I alway thought that was the way it should have been.

There were a couple preachers like that there in the 90's as well. Never an issue or lawsuit that I know of.
The campus groups were always respectful and never 'preached at' groups like Tom claims a lot of them do.

Oh the good ol' days when most libs weren't such pansy asses

There was a great preacher up in Minnesota who went to the UoM every week. He made it his practice not to address people's "pet" sins. So if you were gay and spoiling for a fight with an evil christian he would not address your homosexuality. Because, in his view, we all have so many sins in so many areas you can connect with someone's need for Christ without picking a fight...

kinda like this..

Student "I'm Gay, are you saying God hates fags"
Pastor "Have you ever lied? because I've lied and that sin separates me from god, here in the Bible is says to tell a lie is sin, here is says all sin damns us, and here is says Christ died for our sins."
Student "What about being gay"
Pastor "I'm here to talk about how we need Christ died for our sins and how we all, all men, have sinned and deserve to be punished by God. I've sinned, you've sinned, and we both need Christ"

At that point usually the students walked away or at least engaged in the discussion without the chip on their shoulder.