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Idaho moving from FBS to FCS

Eastern Michigan internally fighting to drop to Division II so students don't have to absorb about $1,000 in athletic fees.

Now UMass faculty want FBS level program or remove the program all together.


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ut-of-fbs/


I had zero problems with Alabama-Birmingham dropping their football program. If their budgets are not in order, either reduce the level at which one competes to reduce costs or eliminate the program and stop passing the buck on to the students and the state.

I grew up in the northeast, the small state school, Delaware, played, and still does, is the CAA in football. Their conference membership was always changing. The most surprising change happened when Hofstra University dropped their football program all together citing lack of student/fan interest. They kept all their other sports, but that move just came out of nowhere for me back then.

I'm fine with minor fees of less than $100/semester, but nothing more than that.
I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.
(04-27-2016 06:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.

10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.
(04-27-2016 07:11 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 06:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.

10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.

I was trying to be nice. 04-cheers

People on this website tend to get touchy and highly emotional over being told their stadium is empty and that they actually can't afford to play the game at this level.

We saw that in our state here last year.

As for your point about the breaking down of schools nationwide, I think that there will be waves of consolidation first.

A huge portion of schools are parts of systems. They are going to see sense eventually and simply close out or restrict programs.

AU and AUM is probably a good example. Why does the state need to subsidize a redundant business school 35 minutes from Auburn's business school?

The days of growth and money/students from heaven are coming to a close.
(04-27-2016 07:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:11 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 06:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.

10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.

I was trying to be nice. 04-cheers

People on this website tend to get touchy and highly emotional over being told their stadium is empty and that they actually can't afford to play the game at this level.

We saw that in our state here last year.

As for your point about the breaking down of schools nationwide, I think that there will be waves of consolidation first.

A huge portion of schools are parts of systems. They are going to see sense eventually and simply close out or restrict programs.

AU and AUM is probably a good example. Why does the state need to subsidize a redundant business school 35 minutes from Auburn's business school?

The days of growth and money/students from heaven are coming to a close.

(Livingston) West Alabama is another. Satellite Troy campuses are others. I would even argue that Jacksonville State should be rolled into U.A.B. if we are going to keep undergrad there. We may suffer slings and arrows but it won't change the direction or the reality of it all.

Privates are their own business. The rest are subsidized by tax payers, so they are our provenance.
(04-27-2016 07:11 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 06:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.

10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.

This happens all the time in FCS, Division II and III.

Athletics can not be a drain on a University forever. At some point it must have some kind of return on investment, whether that is advertisement, larger enrollments, or larger donations. This budgetary restrain will continue at all levels of the NCAA.
(04-27-2016 07:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:11 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 06:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.

10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.

I was trying to be nice. 04-cheers

People on this website tend to get touchy and highly emotional over being told their stadium is empty and that they actually can't afford to play the game at this level.

We saw that in our state here last year.

As for your point about the breaking down of schools nationwide, I think that there will be waves of consolidation first.

A huge portion of schools are parts of systems. They are going to see sense eventually and simply close out or restrict programs.

AU and AUM is probably a good example. Why does the state need to subsidize a redundant business school 35 minutes from Auburn's business school?

The days of growth and money/students from heaven are coming to a close.

(Livingston) West Alabama is another. Satellite Troy campuses are others. I would even argue that Jacksonville State should be rolled into U.A.B. if we are going to keep undergrad there. We may suffer slings and arrows but it won't change the direction or the reality of it all.

Privates are their own business. The rest are subsidized by tax payers, so they are our provenance.

The satellite is really becoming outdated.

Before there was the internet they had a legitimate purpose. Folks simply couldn't get all the way to wherever they were going to be studying but that is dead. Going forward there will be no commuter schools, at least in my opinion.

The various systems are going to have to prioritize the best programs. If that isn't enough the state will have to do it for them.

We simply don't need 12 English/history/business/nursing/etc programs in the state.

I think 3 or 4 is more appropriate.

Slings and arrows is going to be an understatement when that happens. The crack pot theories about holding people down are going to be oozing out of every newspaper with a vested interest in the municipalities that are going to take the hit. But, as you said, you can't hide the reality of the situation.
(04-27-2016 08:25 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:11 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 06:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.

10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.

This happens all the time in FCS, Division II and III.

Athletics can not be a drain on a University forever. At some point it must have some kind of return on investment, whether that is advertisement, larger enrollments, or larger donations. This budgetary restrain will continue at all levels of the NCAA.

I think a lot of schools use some circular login when it comes to athletics in order to justify their existence.

We need football to attract students but we have students to support football.
(04-27-2016 08:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:11 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 06:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that at least 10 programs should drop down.

10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.

I was trying to be nice. 04-cheers

People on this website tend to get touchy and highly emotional over being told their stadium is empty and that they actually can't afford to play the game at this level.

We saw that in our state here last year.

As for your point about the breaking down of schools nationwide, I think that there will be waves of consolidation first.

A huge portion of schools are parts of systems. They are going to see sense eventually and simply close out or restrict programs.

AU and AUM is probably a good example. Why does the state need to subsidize a redundant business school 35 minutes from Auburn's business school?

The days of growth and money/students from heaven are coming to a close.

(Livingston) West Alabama is another. Satellite Troy campuses are others. I would even argue that Jacksonville State should be rolled into U.A.B. if we are going to keep undergrad there. We may suffer slings and arrows but it won't change the direction or the reality of it all.

Privates are their own business. The rest are subsidized by tax payers, so they are our provenance.

The satellite is really becoming outdated.

Before there was the internet they had a legitimate purpose. Folks simply couldn't get all the way to wherever they were going to be studying but that is dead. Going forward there will be no commuter schools, at least in my opinion.

The various systems are going to have to prioritize the best programs. If that isn't enough the state will have to do it for them.

We simply don't need 12 English/history/business/nursing/etc programs in the state.

I think 3 or 4 is more appropriate.

Slings and arrows is going to be an understatement when that happens. The crack pot theories about holding people down are going to be oozing out of every newspaper with a vested interest in the municipalities that are going to take the hit. But, as you said, you can't hide the reality of the situation.

The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?
(04-27-2016 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 08:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:11 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]10 is just going to be a good starting point. This whole realignment saga is about finding solid, higher economic ground for the earthquake that is going to be the cut in supporting funding for many redundant state schools, and for keeping their noses above water in the tsunami of young people who are going to seek employment in trades that are needed and have a good rate of return on training and apprenticeships. The days of everyone have a B.S. in some liberal arts field are over. Medicine, accounting, engineering, languages, and science fields will continue to lead young people to Universities. Even teaching will soon be replaced by video led classes with more cheaply paid tutors standing buy to assist the confused. Having a standardized delivery mode will be seen to be more effective if it's the best instructors who lead the lessons.

States like Alabama may have 3 state funded universities. The others will be converted into some kind of trade schools.

That said I could see many of the present G5 eventually coming to the point of giving up major athletics, or at the very least the most expensive ones to maintain like football.

I was trying to be nice. 04-cheers

People on this website tend to get touchy and highly emotional over being told their stadium is empty and that they actually can't afford to play the game at this level.

We saw that in our state here last year.

As for your point about the breaking down of schools nationwide, I think that there will be waves of consolidation first.

A huge portion of schools are parts of systems. They are going to see sense eventually and simply close out or restrict programs.

AU and AUM is probably a good example. Why does the state need to subsidize a redundant business school 35 minutes from Auburn's business school?

The days of growth and money/students from heaven are coming to a close.

(Livingston) West Alabama is another. Satellite Troy campuses are others. I would even argue that Jacksonville State should be rolled into U.A.B. if we are going to keep undergrad there. We may suffer slings and arrows but it won't change the direction or the reality of it all.

Privates are their own business. The rest are subsidized by tax payers, so they are our provenance.

The satellite is really becoming outdated.

Before there was the internet they had a legitimate purpose. Folks simply couldn't get all the way to wherever they were going to be studying but that is dead. Going forward there will be no commuter schools, at least in my opinion.

The various systems are going to have to prioritize the best programs. If that isn't enough the state will have to do it for them.

We simply don't need 12 English/history/business/nursing/etc programs in the state.

I think 3 or 4 is more appropriate.

Slings and arrows is going to be an understatement when that happens. The crack pot theories about holding people down are going to be oozing out of every newspaper with a vested interest in the municipalities that are going to take the hit. But, as you said, you can't hide the reality of the situation.

The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?

I enjoy this site but I have noticed that it is overwhelmingly made up of G5 and small school alums and fans.

You're right. I probably wouldn't stick around here if it wasn't the the Spin Room, which I love! 03-lmfao

Who doesn't like arguing in their spare time?
(04-27-2016 09:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 08:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I was trying to be nice. 04-cheers

People on this website tend to get touchy and highly emotional over being told their stadium is empty and that they actually can't afford to play the game at this level.

We saw that in our state here last year.

As for your point about the breaking down of schools nationwide, I think that there will be waves of consolidation first.

A huge portion of schools are parts of systems. They are going to see sense eventually and simply close out or restrict programs.

AU and AUM is probably a good example. Why does the state need to subsidize a redundant business school 35 minutes from Auburn's business school?

The days of growth and money/students from heaven are coming to a close.

(Livingston) West Alabama is another. Satellite Troy campuses are others. I would even argue that Jacksonville State should be rolled into U.A.B. if we are going to keep undergrad there. We may suffer slings and arrows but it won't change the direction or the reality of it all.

Privates are their own business. The rest are subsidized by tax payers, so they are our provenance.

The satellite is really becoming outdated.

Before there was the internet they had a legitimate purpose. Folks simply couldn't get all the way to wherever they were going to be studying but that is dead. Going forward there will be no commuter schools, at least in my opinion.

The various systems are going to have to prioritize the best programs. If that isn't enough the state will have to do it for them.

We simply don't need 12 English/history/business/nursing/etc programs in the state.

I think 3 or 4 is more appropriate.

Slings and arrows is going to be an understatement when that happens. The crack pot theories about holding people down are going to be oozing out of every newspaper with a vested interest in the municipalities that are going to take the hit. But, as you said, you can't hide the reality of the situation.

The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?

I enjoy this site but I have noticed that it is overwhelmingly made up of G5 and small school alums and fans.

You're right. I probably wouldn't stick around here if it wasn't the the Spin Room, which I love! 03-lmfao

Who doesn't like arguing in their spare time?

Well......it should come more naturally to attorneys.04-cheers
(04-27-2016 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 08:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 07:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ](Livingston) West Alabama is another. Satellite Troy campuses are others. I would even argue that Jacksonville State should be rolled into U.A.B. if we are going to keep undergrad there. We may suffer slings and arrows but it won't change the direction or the reality of it all.

Privates are their own business. The rest are subsidized by tax payers, so they are our provenance.

The satellite is really becoming outdated.

Before there was the internet they had a legitimate purpose. Folks simply couldn't get all the way to wherever they were going to be studying but that is dead. Going forward there will be no commuter schools, at least in my opinion.

The various systems are going to have to prioritize the best programs. If that isn't enough the state will have to do it for them.

We simply don't need 12 English/history/business/nursing/etc programs in the state.

I think 3 or 4 is more appropriate.

Slings and arrows is going to be an understatement when that happens. The crack pot theories about holding people down are going to be oozing out of every newspaper with a vested interest in the municipalities that are going to take the hit. But, as you said, you can't hide the reality of the situation.

The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?

I enjoy this site but I have noticed that it is overwhelmingly made up of G5 and small school alums and fans.

You're right. I probably wouldn't stick around here if it wasn't the the Spin Room, which I love! 03-lmfao

Who doesn't like arguing in their spare time?

Well......it should come more naturally to attorneys.04-cheers

Would you believe me if I said it relieved stress?
(04-27-2016 10:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 08:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]The satellite is really becoming outdated.

Before there was the internet they had a legitimate purpose. Folks simply couldn't get all the way to wherever they were going to be studying but that is dead. Going forward there will be no commuter schools, at least in my opinion.

The various systems are going to have to prioritize the best programs. If that isn't enough the state will have to do it for them.

We simply don't need 12 English/history/business/nursing/etc programs in the state.

I think 3 or 4 is more appropriate.

Slings and arrows is going to be an understatement when that happens. The crack pot theories about holding people down are going to be oozing out of every newspaper with a vested interest in the municipalities that are going to take the hit. But, as you said, you can't hide the reality of the situation.

The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?

I enjoy this site but I have noticed that it is overwhelmingly made up of G5 and small school alums and fans.

You're right. I probably wouldn't stick around here if it wasn't the the Spin Room, which I love! 03-lmfao

Who doesn't like arguing in their spare time?

Well......it should come more naturally to attorneys.04-cheers

Would you believe me if I said it relieved stress?

Absolutely I would! We live in a PC controlled world and function as if we cannot express our innermost feelings and beliefs. The Spin Room provides a reasonably safe outlet for the expression of things you believe vehemently. It would have attracted me a bit more if it had not been so smack down when I first got here. I think it is much better now. Some of the arguments are well delivered and substantially backed.

I use phone conversations with my retired or soon to be retired buddies to do the same.
(04-27-2016 10:17 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 10:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?

I enjoy this site but I have noticed that it is overwhelmingly made up of G5 and small school alums and fans.

You're right. I probably wouldn't stick around here if it wasn't the the Spin Room, which I love! 03-lmfao

Who doesn't like arguing in their spare time?

Well......it should come more naturally to attorneys.04-cheers

Would you believe me if I said it relieved stress?

Absolutely I would! We live in a PC controlled world and function as if we cannot express our innermost feelings and beliefs. The Spin Room provides a reasonably safe outlet for the expression of things you believe vehemently. It would have attracted me a bit more if it had not been so smack down when I first got here. I think it is much better now. Some of the arguments are well delivered and substantially backed.

I use phone conversations with my retired or soon to be retired buddies to do the same.

The rise of Trump has made it that much more fun.

And, the occasional smackdown is nice too.

I actually feel more comfortable expressing my opinion there than I do on topics like realignment and football.

I think the Realignment Room is a far more brutal place than the Spin Room these days. It seems many posters just use it as an outlet for their dislike of certain teams and programs.
(04-27-2016 10:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 10:17 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 10:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I enjoy this site but I have noticed that it is overwhelmingly made up of G5 and small school alums and fans.

You're right. I probably wouldn't stick around here if it wasn't the the Spin Room, which I love! 03-lmfao

Who doesn't like arguing in their spare time?

Well......it should come more naturally to attorneys.04-cheers

Would you believe me if I said it relieved stress?

Absolutely I would! We live in a PC controlled world and function as if we cannot express our innermost feelings and beliefs. The Spin Room provides a reasonably safe outlet for the expression of things you believe vehemently. It would have attracted me a bit more if it had not been so smack down when I first got here. I think it is much better now. Some of the arguments are well delivered and substantially backed.

I use phone conversations with my retired or soon to be retired buddies to do the same.

The rise of Trump has made it that much more fun.

And, the occasional smackdown is nice too.

I actually feel more comfortable expressing my opinion there than I do on topics like realignment and football.

I think the Realignment Room is a far more brutal place than the Spin Room these days. It seems many posters just use it as an outlet for their dislike of certain teams and programs.

I actually find a great deal of hope in both the Trump and Sanders campaigns. The pissed off right and the pissed of left are trying to tell their too and two corporately owned parties to take a hike. Just watching both of those machines do the Tijuana two step while trying every dirty trick in the book to keep their lackey's in the race is entertaining and disturbing.

The good thing about realignment is whether you are wrong or right it makes little difference. It's more like fantasy football. You are trying to be the one that picks the winning combination so reality doesn't matter. Some guys legitimately know some things, but always just a nugget. Most are drawn to it like all of us are when the news shows a train wreck. Sociologically I just wanted to see how much change could happen to the common man before he pushed back. So far there isn't much legitimate push back except for those who are losing interest in the game. But then in our society most people vote with their absence or feet.

The guys who are pushing their conferences uber alles are just disenfranchised individuals trying to live vicariously through their conference's display of power.

I still feel like I did 25 years ago. Just give me Clemson and Florida State and let the markets be damned because they are the only two schools that have the fan base, the exact cultural fit, and the stadium size to accommodate SEC crowds. I like Oklahoma too, but they aren't exactly a cultural fit to the deep South. So when I finish gardening, taking care of inlaws and a mother far more elderly than I, it is fun to come in and just shoot the breeze with good folks, or try to piss off the ones that annoy me.

But, you aren't one that annoys me and I totally agree with many of your assessments!
(04-27-2016 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?

Isn't that the truth.

I never really posted very much over there anyway, but now I barely ever read it. It's mostly pointless.
(04-27-2016 11:15 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-27-2016 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]The piss and vinegar on the main board is palpable enough already and degenerates most appropriate P5 discussions. I have pushed for a separate P5 forum with conference sub-forums. I think we would attract many more P5 posters if they didn't have to wade through the "we've been wronged" threads and the P5 bashing. We'll see?

Isn't that the truth.

I never really posted very much over there anyway, but now I barely ever read it. It's mostly pointless.

I think a goodly number of the mods agree that we need a P5 board. The management has to get behind it though. Right now they wrongly think they will anger the G5 and lose them. That's B.S. because they really don't have anywhere else to go while we in the P5 have plenty of other sites to visit. I'll be glad if and when we get our own forum. I have had very few legitimate disagreements with other P5 posters, but even I don't care much to get into that stuff over there. I post some to keep a presence but it's getting more ridiculous.
Can we not just have a General Discussion type setup within the SEC board and advertise it out to the other P5 conference boards?
(04-28-2016 09:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]Can we not just have a General Discussion type setup within the SEC board and advertise it out to the other P5 conference boards?

I'm fine with it. I don't think anyone here would object as long as it is P5 oriented.
(04-28-2016 01:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-28-2016 09:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]Can we not just have a General Discussion type setup within the SEC board and advertise it out to the other P5 conference boards?

I'm fine with it. I don't think anyone here would object as long as it is P5 oriented.

I think it may work.

We just have it be obvious that it is P5 bias so don't get butt hurt when people laugh at the huge crowd of 21,000 people.
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