Some updates from Harry M. on ODU meeting the goals of the new Cox Bill that takes effect this summer. Also some news about our stadium being grandfathered so it does not come under the new law. All in all significant stuff for all fans of ODU Athletics.
http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...dba73.html
(04-18-2016 07:04 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote: [ -> ]Some updates from Harry M. on ODU meeting the goals of the new Cox Bill that takes effect this summer. Also some news about our stadium being grandfathered so it does not come under the new law. All in all significant stuff for all fans of ODU Athletics.
http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...dba73.html
Some bias here.
ODU Mandate 55% Currently 64.6% = 9.6% To go
NSU Mandate 70% Currently 83.8% = 13.8% To go
JMU Mandate 70% Currently 80% = 10% To go
But Football Championship Subdivision must reduce their subsidies to 70 percent, meaning NSU (83.8 percent) and James Madison (80 percent) have far to go.
% wise JMU isn't that far behind ODU to their Mandate. NSU isn't really all that far behind either.
It could be argued that ODU obtaining that last 9.6% will have a more difficult time as it's already made up the "easy" part. Finding donors or making cuts to finish it up after all the low fruit has been picked might be more difficult.
(04-18-2016 08:55 PM)GhentFan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2016 07:04 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote: [ -> ]Some updates from Harry M. on ODU meeting the goals of the new Cox Bill that takes effect this summer. Also some news about our stadium being grandfathered so it does not come under the new law. All in all significant stuff for all fans of ODU Athletics.
http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...dba73.html
Some bias here.
ODU Mandate 55% Currently 64.6% = 9.6% To go
NSU Mandate 70% Currently 83.8% = 13.8% To go
JMU Mandate 70% Currently 80% = 10% To go
But Football Championship Subdivision must reduce their subsidies to 70 percent, meaning NSU (83.8 percent) and James Madison (80 percent) have far to go.
% wise JMU isn't that far behind ODU to their Mandate. NSU isn't really all that far behind either.
It could be argued that ODU obtaining that last 9.6% will have a more difficult time as it's already made up the "easy" part. Finding donors or making cuts to finish it up after all the low fruit has been picked might be more difficult.
These paragraphs say it will be pretty easy though.
Del. Kirk Cox, R-Colonial Heights, who sponsored the student fee bill, said the percentages for most or all state schools will be lower than USA Today’s numbers when the state begins gathering data. That’s because student fees used to fund cheerleaders, bands, dance teams and most importantly, debt for previously approved athletic facilities, won’t count as subsidies under the state formula.
Trimming $4.5 million in annual athletic debt, which is paid for with student fees, from the state calculation likely would bring ODU into compliance.
1. So Cox lied about grandfathering in the stadium it seems.
2. Why do schools without football and FCS get a higher percentage? It's more expensive to have FBS football. Seems backwards.
3. It's time to start charging at least some fee to the online students. I imagine a lot of them are local and they all benefit from the exposure the school gets from athletics.
(09-12-2017 10:30 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]1. So Cox lied about grandfathering in the stadium it seems.
2. Why do schools without football and FCS get a higher percentage? It's more expensive to have FBS football. Seems backwards.
3. It's time to start charging at least some fee to the online students. I imagine a lot of them are local and they all benefit from the exposure the school gets from athletics.
The Cox Bill specifically targeted Kirk's Alma Mater, JMU, at a time when they had strong FBS aspirations.
The timing for ODU was not good.
There are a lot of things that could have been different, not the least of which was a truth-in-fee provision that would have allowed schools, including ODU, to set student fees as they felt necessary, but at the same time fixed the fee schedule such that an existing student would not have to pay an increase during matriculation. This would have allowed schools to raise student fees as needed for new students.
Everyone would have known up front what they were in for, eliminating the need for Cox and his BS Bill.
Having finished my rant, I agree that it is time to start assessing online students; especially given the National trend of declining enrollments.
It doesn't matter if we assess fees to online students if we can't use it. We can shift the fee burden from on campus students to online I suppose but we can't raise revenues from fees without also raising revenues from other sources.
Online tuition fees are very price sensitive. Raise the price for online tuition, and watch the numbers of those enrolled decline further.
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(09-13-2017 06:00 AM)ODU1986 Wrote: [ -> ]Online tuition fees are very price sensitive. Raise the price for online tuition, and watch the numbers of those enrolled decline further.
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Perhaps. But if they are only choosing ODU for the price let them go to Phoenix, Capella or DeVry. Choose ODU for quality education, resources, network, facilities, professors, delivery etc. Price is important but should only be one of many factors in choosing a school. We are one of the cheapest in the state and all we see for it is declining enrollment and worse rankings.
I feel like the entire Fee discussion is a bunch of BS to cover for the fact that tuition is skyrocketing. Nobody wants to address the elephant in the room, so they just attacked fees to make it look like they are doing something. The reality is that the Cox bill does next to nothing to address the rising cost of college in Virginia when you consider what a small portion of the cost of going to college is tied up in fees.
(09-13-2017 10:58 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like the entire Fee discussion is a bunch of BS to cover for the fact that tuition is skyrocketing. Nobody wants to address the elephant in the room, so they just attacked fees to make it look like they are doing something. The reality is that the Cox bill does next to nothing to address the rising cost of college in Virginia when you consider what a small portion of the cost of going to college is tied up in fees.
Amen! I have my second child at ODU now, and I can attest that the costs have not gone down any, with or without the Cox bill!
The Cox bill did exactly what it was intended to do... keep ODU in its place and not have aspirations for the nice things only UVA and VT deserve. Forget that they built what they have on the backs of students and taxpayers at and even greater rate. And keep us from having a nicer stadium than JMU. If JMUs basketball arena is grandfathered in but our football stadium is not I hope ODU takes them to court.
(09-13-2017 11:42 AM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]The Cox bill did exactly what it was intended to do... keep ODU in its place and not have aspirations for the nice things only UVA and VT deserve. Forget that they built what they have on the backs of students and taxpayers at and even greater rate. And keep us from having a nicer stadium than JMU. If JMUs basketball arena is grandfathered in but our football stadium is not I hope ODU takes them to court.
Not just ODU
The Cox Bill also, for all intents and purposes, eliminated the possibility of JMU going FBS in our lifetime.
The bond funding for JMU's convo has already been approved by the Legislature; in fact it was approved in 2012, well before the Cox Bill.
; in fact it was approved in 2012, well before the Cox Bill.
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Didn't realize that they had it approved that early. Such a shame ODU drug their feet so long on our new stadium. Maybe it could have slid in under the wire. Oh well. And FBS will likely come to JMU once a G5/FCS merger happens. With the P5 pulling out of all the bowls against G5, that may happen sooner than we think.
I wish ill will on Cox, and I'm not the slightest bit remorseful for those feelings. I understand he has the right to be wrong. Everybody does. Just don't be wrong in my house.
(09-14-2017 06:07 PM)The Flagship Wrote: [ -> ]I wish ill will on Cox, and I'm not the slightest bit remorseful for those feelings. I understand he has the right to be wrong. Everybody does. Just don't be wrong in my house.
You are not alone in wishing bad for that dbag scum hog.
(09-14-2017 06:07 PM)The Flagship Wrote: [ -> ]I wish ill will on Cox, and I'm not the slightest bit remorseful for those feelings. I understand he has the right to be wrong. Everybody does. Just don't be wrong in my house.
How is he wrong exactly?
(09-14-2017 07:09 PM)GhentFan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2017 06:07 PM)The Flagship Wrote: [ -> ]I wish ill will on Cox, and I'm not the slightest bit remorseful for those feelings. I understand he has the right to be wrong. Everybody does. Just don't be wrong in my house.
How is he wrong exactly?
Because he is screwing us over and not doing a single substantive thing for the skyrocketing cost of a college degree. Its a dog and pony show.
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