With all the bellyaching about the satellite camps ending you would think they also ended official and unofficial visits.
If kids can take five "all expenses paid" trips to schools on their official visit, is ending camps really hurting kids without resources to travel?
They could take five paid for visits and then hop in a car with friends to visit a couple more schools within a few hours on unnofficials at minimal expense. That gives them a total of seven visits at minimal expense. And on top of that they can still go to camps close by at minimal expense.
How many of you visited seven schools when making your college decision? The satellite camps are really overkill and would turn into expensive and wasteful shows to attract top athletes.
Yes, because the kids only get so many visits. So, from ULMs perspective, if a recruit sets visits to SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss and Arkansas State he will not get to ULMs Campus and be exposed to our staff. This is where the satellite camps came to be important for ULM. The kids would interact with our staff on the field which lead to ULM taking the place of one of those schools on the list I provided.
(04-12-2016 05:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, because the kids only get so many visits. So, from ULMs perspective, if a recruit sets visits to SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss and Arkansas State he will not get to ULMs Campus and be exposed to our staff. This is where the satellite camps came to be important for ULM. The kids would interact with our staff on the field which lead to ULM taking the place of one of those schools on the list I provided.
I am mostly referring to the outcry that the kids are being harmed tremendously. Yes some schools will be hurt, but the outcry has been about underprivileged kids not having opportunities. Yet as we see, the current system addresses this at no cost to the kid.
(04-12-2016 05:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2016 05:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, because the kids only get so many visits. So, from ULMs perspective, if a recruit sets visits to SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss and Arkansas State he will not get to ULMs Campus and be exposed to our staff. This is where the satellite camps came to be important for ULM. The kids would interact with our staff on the field which lead to ULM taking the place of one of those schools on the list I provided.
I am mostly referring to the outcry that the kids are being harmed tremendously. Yes some schools will be hurt, but the outcry has been about underprivileged kids not having opportunities. Yet as we see, the current system addresses this at no cost to the kid.
Damn few kids get 5 official visits except those who camped with 5 colleges or kids who have 4 or 5 stars next to their name. Satellite camps are good for smaller schools and good for kids, particularly kids of limited means.
A kid doesn't choose to take an official visit, the school offers the visit. Huge difference.
(04-12-2016 06:52 PM)Vobserver Wrote: [ -> ]A kid doesn't choose to take an official visit, the school offers the visit. Huge difference.
If the NCAA offers every kid 5 free visits it will probably work out great! Wonder why they didn't think of that?
Recruiting has never been better for high school players. Technology and social media enable more players to get exposure. 20 years ago, players were dependent upon scouts attending games and their own coach acting as an agent. If a kid wants to play college football and he is scholarship material, he will get his opportunity.
(04-13-2016 06:34 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote: [ -> ]Recruiting has never been better for high school players. Technology and social media enable more players to get exposure. 20 years ago, players were dependent upon scouts attending games and their own coach acting as an agent. If a kid wants to play college football and he is scholarship material, he will get his opportunity.
Lots of coaches will not sign players from video only. They want to see them in person against kids with a known level of ability. I agree that modern technology makes it easier for kids to get their potential exposure up, and to get invitations to camp. It still doesn't help if they can't get to the camp.
(04-12-2016 04:38 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]With all the bellyaching about the satellite camps ending you would think they also ended official and unofficial visits.
If kids can take five "all expenses paid" trips to schools on their official visit, is ending camps really hurting kids without resources to travel?
They could take five paid for visits and then hop in a car with friends to visit a couple more schools within a few hours on unnofficials at minimal expense. That gives them a total of seven visits at minimal expense. And on top of that they can still go to camps close by at minimal expense.
How many of you visited seven schools when making your college decision? The satellite camps are really overkill and would turn into expensive and wasteful shows to attract top athletes.
Coaches want to see the kids perform drills in person against other players to better evaluate them. This is impossible to do on game day official visits which means there are only the few weeks after the season (mid December to early January is a dead period) for coaches to get kids on campus and put them through workouts. There is no way they can give every kid that chance in such a short amount of time. Having these camps in the summer lets the coaches see more players, and they kids have camps plus visits to help them get exposure to more schools.
(04-13-2016 06:34 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote: [ -> ]Recruiting has never been better for high school players. Technology and social media enable more players to get exposure. 20 years ago, players were dependent upon scouts attending games and their own coach acting as an agent. If a kid wants to play college football and he is scholarship material, he will get his opportunity.
Shoot, in the old days (prior to 1990) the Atlanta and Macon sportswriters covering HS football in Georgia were de facto scouts for UGA. It was hard for a small town kid to get a look unless he was a superstar, his team made the playoffs, or they played against one of the established powers who got covered.
A lot of guys fell through the cracks and a lot of them wound up in Statesboro in the 1980's.
(04-12-2016 05:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, because the kids only get so many visits. So, from ULMs perspective, if a recruit sets visits to SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss and Arkansas State he will not get to ULMs Campus and be exposed to our staff. This is where the satellite camps came to be important for ULM. The kids would interact with our staff on the field which lead to ULM taking the place of one of those schools on the list I provided.
Enter the UNOFFICIAL VISIT.
More and more kids/parents are taking advantage of modern transportation and getting campus visits and ultimately their decision over with earlier in the process.They are unlimited.
(04-14-2016 07:56 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2016 05:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, because the kids only get so many visits. So, from ULMs perspective, if a recruit sets visits to SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss and Arkansas State he will not get to ULMs Campus and be exposed to our staff. This is where the satellite camps came to be important for ULM. The kids would interact with our staff on the field which lead to ULM taking the place of one of those schools on the list I provided.
Enter the UNOFFICIAL VISIT.
More and more kids/parents are taking advantage of modern transportation and getting campus visits and ultimately their decision over with earlier in the process.They are unlimited.
Ever been on an unofficial visit? Or an official one, for that matter?
First clue: it is against NCAA regulations for a Division 1 coach to put a prospect through drills on a campus visit, official or unofficial. That isn't the purpose of the visit.
Second clue: An unofficial visit is much less comprehensive and involves much less contact with the prospect than an official visit. It is almost like dropping in to State U to visit with some guys you know there, except you may get to meet a coach or two for 30 seconds.
Ha! I've been on official and unofficial for myself and my sons......so there's that.
My response to bluephi was regarding his only five official visits comment somehow justifies satellite camps.
Drills aren't run on official or unofficial visits not sure why you're giving "clues" about something you pulled from the sky.
"It is almost like dropping in to State U to visit with some guys you know there, except you may get to meet a coach or two for 30 seconds."
It's nothing like that at all.Know your subject matter before giving clues.Unofficial visits usually involve campus tours,complimentary tickets to events,a meal in which you can pay for and interaction with campus recruiting personnel (students).Kids may or may not get "bumped" depending on their priority as a recruit.
(04-14-2016 07:56 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2016 05:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, because the kids only get so many visits. So, from ULMs perspective, if a recruit sets visits to SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss and Arkansas State he will not get to ULMs Campus and be exposed to our staff. This is where the satellite camps came to be important for ULM. The kids would interact with our staff on the field which lead to ULM taking the place of one of those schools on the list I provided.
Enter the UNOFFICIAL VISIT.
More and more kids/parents are taking advantage of modern transportation and getting campus visits and ultimately their decision over with earlier in the process.They are unlimited.
Unofficial visits also must be paid for by the kids, which again qualifies under the question of whether it's fair to kids with deep financial hardships that we're not providing them with opportunities to get seen by college coaches without having to spend an arm and a leg on travel.
These kids may come from a harsh environment, but also remember that college is a privilege not a right. I'm all for helping those that work hard and want to better themselves get opportunity. But also, these kids are getting a paid for, now more so, education for playing a sport. So whether they go to a local school or one across the country they should be happy about the opportunity and remember to focus just as much on the academic side. A lot of under privileged kids don't have any offers or help getting into any college.
Let's not start shedding tears because a 2 or 3 star recruit is only being offered at regional schools and never had a chance to visit a schools 3 or more states away.
(04-18-2016 10:10 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote: [ -> ]These kids may come from a harsh environment, but also remember that college is a privilege not a right. I'm all for helping those that work hard and want to better themselves get opportunity. But also, these kids are getting a paid for, now more so, education for playing a sport. So whether they go to a local school or one across the country they should be happy about the opportunity and remember to focus just as much on the academic side. A lot of under privileged kids don't have any offers or help getting into any college.
Let's not start shedding tears because a 2 or 3 star recruit is only being offered at regional schools and never had a chance to visit a schools 3 or more states away.
That's the thing though. What if those regional schools don't want that 3 star player? Normally, he just leaves the state for another offer, but now those schools don't get to see him because the kid can't afford to travel for camps.
It's never as simple as you guys are trying to make this out to be. It's not as if all the 2 and 3 star kids will magically be offered by regional schools now. Kids are going to fall through the cracks.
(04-18-2016 11:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2016 10:10 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote: [ -> ]These kids may come from a harsh environment, but also remember that college is a privilege not a right. I'm all for helping those that work hard and want to better themselves get opportunity. But also, these kids are getting a paid for, now more so, education for playing a sport. So whether they go to a local school or one across the country they should be happy about the opportunity and remember to focus just as much on the academic side. A lot of under privileged kids don't have any offers or help getting into any college.
Let's not start shedding tears because a 2 or 3 star recruit is only being offered at regional schools and never had a chance to visit a schools 3 or more states away.
That's the thing though. What if those regional schools don't want that 3 star player? Normally, he just leaves the state for another offer, but now those schools don't get to see him because the kid can't afford to travel for camps.
It's never as simple as you guys are trying to make this out to be. It's not as if all the 2 and 3 star kids will magically be offered by regional schools now. Kids are going to fall through the cracks.
There is no such thing as a three star missing out on offers unless they have academic issues. If they are rated three star they have been evaluated and have tape out. There is nothing limiting coaches from making visits to a high school either. They can watch a kid all they want as long as there is no contact, I believe. The kids that MIGHT fall through the cracks are the diamond in the rough types that for some reason did not push to have their stuff on any of the four major recruiting sites and HUDL, their coaches have little connections and just do not push their kids to programs. Folks are really making a mountain out of a molehill, it will take more effort on the part of coaching staffs but finding 15-25 players a year is not some monumental task as compared to just 10 years ago. They went to far but the schools that were abusing this and wanted to poke the hornet's nest are the ones to blame. These things have been going on for years and a lot of the SEC teams had out of state camps. I doubt UT, Miss St, AU, Vandy, KY, Ole Miss were in favor and will be affected as well.
I am neutral on this stuff I would rather lean towards giving kids more opportunity. But I don't like big money schools being able to have unlimited camps all over the country and getting yet another advantage just because of the conference they are in. Wake and Vandy coming down to GA on that P5 money they do not deserve is not right either.
Coaches need to quit being lazy and watch the film,tape and video! Then pick up the phone and make some calls!
(04-19-2016 10:31 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]Coaches need to quit being lazy and watch the film,tape and video! Then pick up the phone and make some calls!
You just simply don't understand this do you?
Arkansas State signs 90 percent of its players from Satellite camps. We are aware and have seen film on most every single one of those 90 percent long before they ever show up for a Satellite camp. The camp is used as an opportunity to see those players in person. You can view film on a kid all you want, that doesn't mean you learn everything you need to know from that film. You need those camps to help make those tough calls on a couple of players who may not have a great film, but show how well they can work in a camp.
Every P5 coach out there will tell you that they use camps to make decisions about whether to offer kids. For many prospects, these camps represent the only chance they will get to impress a coach and get that offer. You just simply can't offer kids based directly on their film. That highlight film tells you absolutely nothing, it's a selection of the best plays a kid made during his High School career. Even your own coaches will tell you that.
Recruiting isn't going to change in terms of the way players are evaluated and offered simply because satellite camps are banned. Coaches will simply not offer kids who they are not sure about who don't show up for their camps. And since a kid can only do a couple of camps in a year, that means a lot of kids are going to potentially fall through the cracks.
(04-19-2016 08:05 AM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2016 11:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2016 10:10 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote: [ -> ]These kids may come from a harsh environment, but also remember that college is a privilege not a right. I'm all for helping those that work hard and want to better themselves get opportunity. But also, these kids are getting a paid for, now more so, education for playing a sport. So whether they go to a local school or one across the country they should be happy about the opportunity and remember to focus just as much on the academic side. A lot of under privileged kids don't have any offers or help getting into any college.
Let's not start shedding tears because a 2 or 3 star recruit is only being offered at regional schools and never had a chance to visit a schools 3 or more states away.
That's the thing though. What if those regional schools don't want that 3 star player? Normally, he just leaves the state for another offer, but now those schools don't get to see him because the kid can't afford to travel for camps.
It's never as simple as you guys are trying to make this out to be. It's not as if all the 2 and 3 star kids will magically be offered by regional schools now. Kids are going to fall through the cracks.
There is no such thing as a three star missing out on offers unless they have academic issues. If they are rated three star they have been evaluated and have tape out. There is nothing limiting coaches from making visits to a high school either. They can watch a kid all they want as long as there is no contact, I believe. The kids that MIGHT fall through the cracks are the diamond in the rough types that for some reason did not push to have their stuff on any of the four major recruiting sites and HUDL, their coaches have little connections and just do not push their kids to programs. Folks are really making a mountain out of a molehill, it will take more effort on the part of coaching staffs but finding 15-25 players a year is not some monumental task as compared to just 10 years ago. They went to far but the schools that were abusing this and wanted to poke the hornet's nest are the ones to blame. These things have been going on for years and a lot of the SEC teams had out of state camps. I doubt UT, Miss St, AU, Vandy, KY, Ole Miss were in favor and will be affected as well.
I am neutral on this stuff I would rather lean towards giving kids more opportunity. But I don't like big money schools being able to have unlimited camps all over the country and getting yet another advantage just because of the conference they are in. Wake and Vandy coming down to GA on that P5 money they do not deserve is not right either.
It happens every single season to multiple prospects, and that's with satellite camps. There was a QB in New Mexico a year or two ago that set all sorts of QB records in High School, was given a 3 star rating, and traveled across the country for camps. He never got a single FBS offer. Had nearly a 4.0 GPA
3 star is a rating by a group of recruiting people who are not college football coaches. Coaches prefer the eye test, and others will only sign a kid that fits. For instance, Georgia Southern isn't likely to offer a 3 star QB who is 245 pounds and runs a 4-9 40. He might be the best passer the world has ever seen, but it doesn't fit your system. Normally, that kid could rely on schools all over the country to come in and show interest, because someone needs him. Without a Satellite camp, those offers don't come, and a kid might be stuck heading to D2 or FCS.
