with Idaho and NM State out, it's time for JMU to get back in touch with the Sun Belt and talk to them about us and Eastern Kentucky joining, as has been bantered about in the past.
if we continue down the road we are on, it is athletic suicide.
people talk about our athletic peer all the time on these boards....it's not ODU, or VCU, or GMU, or any CAA team. Or App State. Or Ohio.
our athletic peer is East Carolina.
THAT is who we have the potential to become. and for everyone bashing ECU for any reason....they get 50,000 to football games. Have had periodic success on a national level. Have been ranked in the Top 25. have a wildly successful baseball program. Have a basketball program, that while not having a ton of success on the court, has excellent support behind the program.
they are a smaller locale in a state that has multiple D1 programs and the same population size, if not smaller, than JMU and the state of Virginia.
there is absolutely NO reason that JMU cannot reach that level. And that level is a good place, that i'm sure everyone would be happy with.
it will never happen if we don't take risks. make investments. think forward. not sideways.
go to the Sun Belt. NOW.
or watch JMU athletics revert back to the 1980s.
(03-31-2016 10:30 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote: [ -> ]with Idaho and NM State out, it's time for JMU to get back in touch with the Sun Belt and talk to them about us and Eastern Kentucky joining, as has been bantered about in the past.
if we continue down the road we are on, it is athletic suicide.
people talk about our athletic peer all the time on these boards....it's not ODU, or VCU, or GMU, or any CAA team. Or App State. Or Ohio.
our athletic peer is East Carolina.
THAT is who we have the potential to become. and for everyone bashing ECU for any reason....they get 50,000 to football games. Have had periodic success on a national level. Have been ranked in the Top 25. have a wildly successful baseball program. Have a basketball program, that while not having a ton of success on the court, has excellent support behind the program.
they are a smaller locale in a state that has multiple D1 programs and the same population size, if not smaller, than JMU and the state of Virginia.
there is absolutely NO reason that JMU cannot reach that level. And that level is a good place, that i'm sure everyone would be happy with.
it will never happen if we don't take risks. make investments. think forward. not sideways.
go to the Sun Belt. NOW.
or watch JMU athletics revert back to the 1980s.
JMU should have jumped when they had the chance with CUSA. I have no idea why they keep sidestepping a move to FBS....I have no issue joining the Sunbelt.
unfortunately, the Sun Belt doesn't need us now. Unless travel cost reductions + increased TV deal > the loss of shared G5 revenue, there's no reason to exapnd. They can have their championship game as-is.
At this point we should take the first available ticket to FBS, conference doesn't matter much. Any of the G5 > CAA.
An article on ODUs move said their AD literally called every single FBS conference, including ACC, etc to see what was possible. They asked everyone and then took the best available option. We should be doing the same.
(03-31-2016 10:41 AM)brizzock Wrote: [ -> ]unfortunately, the Sun Belt doesn't need us now. Unless travel cost reductions + increased TV deal > the loss of shared G5 revenue, there's no reason to exapnd. They can have their championship game as-is.
reduced travel cost + increased ticket sales from regional rivals > than a reduced prorata share of a shrinking tv deal.
TV revenue is declining for the non P5 conferences, it is about cost containment and ticket sales
(03-31-2016 10:59 AM)PGJMU Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2016 10:41 AM)brizzock Wrote: [ -> ]unfortunately, the Sun Belt doesn't need us now. Unless travel cost reductions + increased TV deal > the loss of shared G5 revenue, there's no reason to exapnd. They can have their championship game as-is.
reduced travel cost + increased ticket sales from regional rivals > than a reduced prorata share of a shrinking tv deal.
TV revenue is declining for the non P5 conferences, it is about cost containment and ticket sales
The potential OOC games each year - both home and away - would help to offset a lot of costs of being an FBS program. If we go play Georgia, for example, yeah we might get our brains beat in but guess what? We'd get $paid$. If we're able to bring in Marshall or ECU or ODU for a home game, that's going to sell out. Things like bowl payouts come into play too. Lots of people act like going FBS is all expenditures but there are offsets in revenue that people just don't talk about.
(03-31-2016 10:59 AM)PGJMU Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2016 10:41 AM)brizzock Wrote: [ -> ]unfortunately, the Sun Belt doesn't need us now. Unless travel cost reductions + increased TV deal > the loss of shared G5 revenue, there's no reason to exapnd. They can have their championship game as-is.
reduced travel cost + increased ticket sales from regional rivals > than a reduced prorata share of a shrinking tv deal.
TV revenue is declining for the non P5 conferences, it is about cost containment and ticket sales
Cost containment - we've got that concept down...
Is this an old thread bumped from 2007 or something? It seems like it.
(03-31-2016 11:31 AM)Dukester Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2016 10:59 AM)PGJMU Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2016 10:41 AM)brizzock Wrote: [ -> ]unfortunately, the Sun Belt doesn't need us now. Unless travel cost reductions + increased TV deal > the loss of shared G5 revenue, there's no reason to exapnd. They can have their championship game as-is.
reduced travel cost + increased ticket sales from regional rivals > than a reduced prorata share of a shrinking tv deal.
TV revenue is declining for the non P5 conferences, it is about cost containment and ticket sales
Cost containment - we've got that concept down...
We do? Our athletic budget is huge and bigger than G5 budgets.
We'll pay premium prices for a house and get the furniture from an abandoned site on the side of the street.
How many schools fully fund all sports like we do? That's our priority over making headway in the major sports. I disagree with that philosophy, and I think it sets JMU back in many ways. Sure, it sounds good in a vacuum, but at the end of the day, all sports are not created equal, and Bernie Sanders style socialism will not be taking over the country. I wish it wasn't so with our sports programs.
(03-31-2016 10:59 AM)PGJMU Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2016 10:41 AM)brizzock Wrote: [ -> ]unfortunately, the Sun Belt doesn't need us now. Unless travel cost reductions + increased TV deal > the loss of shared G5 revenue, there's no reason to exapnd. They can have their championship game as-is.
reduced travel cost + increased ticket sales from regional rivals > than a reduced prorata share of a shrinking tv deal.
TV revenue is declining for the non P5 conferences, it is about cost containment and ticket sales
I can't imagine us moving the needle for anyone in the sunbelt in terms of ticket sales, and if you want to save money for travel, I think you can find other teams that are closer to the footprint.
I could be wrong, but I still feel like conferences make decisions based on TV deals/TV markets rather than tickets sold. I think most conferences would give zero f*ucks if the stands were empty but they were in the right TV markets. Hence Tuesday and Wednesday night football.....
(03-31-2016 11:59 AM)brizzock Wrote: [ -> ]I could be wrong, but I still feel like conferences make decisions based on TV deals/TV markets rather than tickets sold. I think most conferences would give zero f*ucks if the stands were empty but they were in the right TV markets. Hence Tuesday and Wednesday night football.....
Yup - hence all the ODU-to-AAC action going on. Boy - that's gonna be a fun day.
We need to move to the big south right now
Think the Patriot League is more in line w/ our vision currently
ODAC. Bridgewater and Eastern Mennonite as travel partners
(03-31-2016 10:41 AM)brizzock Wrote: [ -> ]unfortunately, the Sun Belt doesn't need us now. Unless travel cost reductions + increased TV deal > the loss of shared G5 revenue, there's no reason to exapnd. They can have their championship game as-is.
You are correct that we don't NEED you now.
But that doesn't mean that we might not want you guys. Its no longer a slam dunk. But if there was a change in attitude in your administration (we get that there appears to be significant support in your fanbase for a JMU to the Sun Belt move), there could be a space for you guys.
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It seems better for you guys that Idaho and NMSU have been tossed. They don't get tossed, you had zero chance, barring conference moves in other conferences. The better news is that Missouri State hasn't pulled the trigger. If they did so, there'd be immediate pressure on the Belt to take them and another team. And if JMU doesn't call the Belt, they'll take EKU and then JMU would really be shut out until the next realignment season in 5-10 years.
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Either way, its becoming increasingly evident that realignment is slowing down and that the overwhelming majority of realignment scenarios end up with the same opening....the Sun Belt.
Best I can tell is the Sun Belt is happy with their new alignment since Idaho and NMSU will be leaving.
I would like to see JMU come in to make it even more Eastern oriented.