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The ACC has been on a 3 year azz kicking contest much to the chagrin of the folks ready to bury this league.

Embrace the Hate!

(03-28-2016 12:42 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC has been on a 3 year azz kicking contest much to the chagrin of the folks ready to bury this league.

Embrace the Hate!

Football, Men Basketball and Baseball...the ACC been strong on the Field, Court and Diamond...

(03-28-2016 01:33 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 12:42 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC has been on a 3 year azz kicking contest much to the chagrin of the folks ready to bury this league.

Embrace the Hate!

Football, Men Basketball and Baseball...the ACC been strong on the Field, Court and Diamond...

Not to mention the conference doesn't even sponsor ice hockey but has a member school (BC) in the Frozen Four this week, too.

(03-28-2016 02:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 01:33 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 12:42 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC has been on a 3 year azz kicking contest much to the chagrin of the folks ready to bury this league.

Embrace the Hate!

Football, Men Basketball and Baseball...the ACC been strong on the Field, Court and Diamond...

Not to mention the conference doesn't even sponsor ice hockey but has a member school (BC) in the Frozen Four this week, too.

In before it being brought up....still got to fix the TV/Orange Bowl Contract....gotta get that Orange Bowl Money Guarantee to the same level as the other P5 leagues-($40 Million)

There is a lot of work to do financially to secure the ACC long term, but the programs are definitely getting it done on the field for the most part, which you couldn't say for long stretches of this conference.

There's still more to do between the lines, but if the money issues can't be solved, it can't be totally blamed on crappy product any more.

All the ACC has to do to become the overall best conference in the NCAA is strengthen its overall football.

(03-28-2016 06:02 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]All the ACC has to do to become the overall best conference in the NCAA is strengthen its overall football.

Basketball has depth.
Football needs depth.

(03-28-2016 07:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 06:02 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]All the ACC has to do to become the overall best conference in the NCAA is strengthen its overall football.

Basketball has depth.
Football needs depth.

Football needs Virginia Tech, Miami, Virginia, Pitt, North Carolina State, North Carolina, Louisville and Georgia Tech to step up even more...

(03-28-2016 07:23 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 07:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 06:02 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]All the ACC has to do to become the overall best conference in the NCAA is strengthen its overall football.

Basketball has depth.
Football needs depth.

Football needs Virginia Tech, Miami, Virginia, Pitt, North Carolina State, North Carolina, Louisville and Georgia Tech to step up even more...

What, nothing from BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest or Duke? I mean gee, why not hit up everybody?

Football is not far away:

Tier One Teams
FSU
Clemson
Notre Dame, if a full member

Tier Two Teams
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia Tech

Tier Three Teams
Duke
George Tech
North Carolina State
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia

Needs Work Teams
Boston College
Wake Forest

(03-28-2016 07:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Football is not far away:

Tier One Teams
FSU
Clemson
Notre Dame, if a full member

Tier Two Teams
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia Tech

Tier Three Teams
Duke
George Tech
North Carolina State
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia

Needs Work Teams
Boston College
Wake Forest

Duke has earned Tier 2 status.
Syracuse is border line 3/4

(03-28-2016 08:38 PM)Bigtexnole Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 07:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Football is not far away:

Tier One Teams
FSU
Clemson
Notre Dame, if a full member

Tier Two Teams
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia Tech

Tier Three Teams
Duke
George Tech
North Carolina State
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia

Needs Work Teams
Boston College
Wake Forest

Duke has earned Tier 2 status.
Syracuse is border line 3/4

I think GT has earned teir two status IMO also.

(03-28-2016 07:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Football is not far away:

Tier One Teams
FSU
Clemson
Notre Dame, if a full member

Tier Two Teams
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia Tech

Tier Three Teams
Duke
George Tech
North Carolina State
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia

Needs Work Teams
Boston College
Wake Forest

I'm hoping you're saying this is what it should be, not what it is, right? Because you've got a lot of teams slotted well above what they've actually performed as.

1st: Compete for national titles. They expect a NY6 Bowl every year. Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon. I have no problem with ranking FSU and Clemson here.

2nd: Expect 9-10 wins every year. Get national press on a regular basis, threaten a title run or top ten season fairly regularly. Stanford, Michigan State, TCU, Baylor, UCLA, Wisconsin, South Carolina until just recently. The ACC has NOBODY in this tier right now, although I wouldn't put up a huge fight if you said Duke was on the border. VT hasn't been here in half a decade, Miami hasn't had one session like this since joining, UNC just had their first season of this caliber since Mack Brown, and Louisville hasn't proved this in the ACC yet. This is the weak spot now.

3rd: Bowl game almost every year, once or twice a decade had a season of national note. This is the very definition of GT, along with Iowa, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Missouri. Everyone you have as second tier is in this tier actually, along with most of who you've put here. Except Syracuse and UVA no way being here.

4th: The worst of the P5. Colorado, Washington State, Kansas, Purdue, Indiana. A bowl game is a stretch goal that is celebrated if it is managed every few years, and a three win season doesn't shock anyone. The ACC currently is riding with Wake, Syracuse, BC and Virginia, almost a third of the conference. This is WAY too heavy, especially when its double the teams in the top two tiers combined. The conference can sustain two schools here, no more.

If the ACC can move two schools out of the lowest tier, and have three teams reestablish themselves as tier two, football will be solid. Three of VT, Miami, North Carolina, Duke, Louisville absolutely have to get locked in here, unless a surprise team like Pitt our NCSU or someone can make a big jump.

It is possible, nothing that requires a miracle. But it still requires fair amount of change, and that's without any backsliding. It's far better than the decade the conference spent with no tier one teams and one tier two team in VT, for sure, but that tier two has to get built before FSU and Clemson start facing coaching changes or inevitable down years. Right now, the ACC simply can't absorb FSU or Clemson to hit a Texas/Michigan/Florida type slump, and that's too much of a high wire act.

That system is absurd. BC and Wake were top 25 programs a few years ago.

(03-28-2016 07:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 07:23 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 07:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 06:02 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]All the ACC has to do to become the overall best conference in the NCAA is strengthen its overall football.

Basketball has depth.
Football needs depth.

Football needs Virginia Tech, Miami, Virginia, Pitt, North Carolina State, North Carolina, Louisville and Georgia Tech to step up even more...

What, nothing from BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest or Duke? I mean gee, why not hit up everybody?

Duke is maximizing themselves right now and just my opinion BC, Wake and Syracuse don't have access to talent that the others I mentioned. But in order to get to the SEC/Big XII level we need at least 5 to 6 teams Ranked in the Top 25 with 3 others in the Top 35.

Ļouisville is on their way. Clemson has barely escaped the last two years despite playing the game early in the season with an unsettled qb situation.

The first two years in the ACC 9-4 and 8-5 (after 0-3 start)
Two years prior 12-1(2013) and 11-2(2012)



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(03-28-2016 10:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 07:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Football is not far away:

Tier One Teams
FSU
Clemson
Notre Dame, if a full member

Tier Two Teams
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia Tech

Tier Three Teams
Duke
George Tech
North Carolina State
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia

Needs Work Teams
Boston College
Wake Forest

I'm hoping you're saying this is what it should be, not what it is, right? Because you've got a lot of teams slotted well above what they've actually performed as.

1st: Compete for national titles. They expect a NYe Noel every year. Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon. I have no problem with ranking FSU and Clemson here.

2nd: Expect 9-10 wins every year. Get national press on a regular basis, threaten a title run or top ten season fairly regularly. Stanford, Michigan State, TCU, Baylor, UCLA, Wisconsin, South Carolina until just recently. The ACC has NOBODY in this tier right now, although I wouldn't put up a huge fight if you said Duke was on the border. VT hasn't been here in half a decade, Miami hasn't had one session like this since joining, UNC just had their first season of this caliber since Mack Brown, and Louisville hasn't proved this in the ACC yet. This is the weak spot now.

3rd: Bowl game almost every year, once or twice a decade had a season of national note. This is the very definition of GT, along with Iowa, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Missouri. Everyone you have as second tier is in this tier actually, along with most of who you've put here. Except Syracuse and UVA no way being here.

4th: The worst of the P5. Colorado, Washington State, Kansas, Purdue, Indiana. A bowl game is a stretch goal that is celebrated if it is managed every few years, and a three win season doesn't shock anyone. The ACC currently is riding with Wake, Syracuse, BC and Virginia, almost a third of the conference. This is WAY too heavy, especially when its double the teams in the top two tiers combined. The conference can sustain two schools here, no more.

If the ACC can move two schools out of the lowest tier, and have three teams reestablish themselves as tier two, football will be solid. Three of VT, Miami, North Carolina, Duke, Louisville absolutely have to get locked in here, unless a surprise team like Pitt our NCSU or someone can make a big jump.

It is possible, nothing that requires a miracle. But it still requires fair amount of change, and that's without any backsliding. It's far better than the decade the conference spent with no tier one teams and one tier two team in VT, for sure, but that tier two has to get built before FSU and Clemson start facing coaching changes or inevitable down years. Right now, the ACC simply can't absorb FSU or Clemson to hit a Texas/Michigan/Florida type slump, and that's too much of a high wire act.

Both perspectives above are quite useful and valid. Also, if the ACC doesn't consistently get either 5 or 6 teams into the AP and Coaches' Top 25, that's bad. Frankly the ACC needs two very consistently strong teams from each division, every season. With a third team 'lurking' in each division.

(03-29-2016 08:09 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote: [ -> ]...if the ACC doesn't consistently get either 5 or 6 teams into the AP and Coaches' Top 25, that's bad. Frankly [b][b]the ACC needs two very consistently strong teams from each division, every season. With a third team 'lurking' in each division.[/b][/b]

^^^ THIS ^^^

I'd be satisfied with 5 teams in the Top 25, as long as 2 are in the top 10.

(03-29-2016 08:09 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 10:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016 07:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Football is not far away:

Tier One Teams
FSU
Clemson
Notre Dame, if a full member

Tier Two Teams
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia Tech

Tier Three Teams
Duke
George Tech
North Carolina State
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia

Needs Work Teams
Boston College
Wake Forest

I'm hoping you're saying this is what it should be, not what it is, right? Because you've got a lot of teams slotted well above what they've actually performed as.

1st: Compete for national titles. They expect a NYe Noel every year. Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon. I have no problem with ranking FSU and Clemson here.

2nd: Expect 9-10 wins every year. Get national press on a regular basis, threaten a title run or top ten season fairly regularly. Stanford, Michigan State, TCU, Baylor, UCLA, Wisconsin, South Carolina until just recently. The ACC has NOBODY in this tier right now, although I wouldn't put up a huge fight if you said Duke was on the border. VT hasn't been here in half a decade, Miami hasn't had one session like this since joining, UNC just had their first season of this caliber since Mack Brown, and Louisville hasn't proved this in the ACC yet. This is the weak spot now.

3rd: Bowl game almost every year, once or twice a decade had a season of national note. This is the very definition of GT, along with Iowa, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Missouri. Everyone you have as second tier is in this tier actually, along with most of who you've put here. Except Syracuse and UVA no way being here.

4th: The worst of the P5. Colorado, Washington State, Kansas, Purdue, Indiana. A bowl game is a stretch goal that is celebrated if it is managed every few years, and a three win season doesn't shock anyone. The ACC currently is riding with Wake, Syracuse, BC and Virginia, almost a third of the conference. This is WAY too heavy, especially when its double the teams in the top two tiers combined. The conference can sustain two schools here, no more.

If the ACC can move two schools out of the lowest tier, and have three teams reestablish themselves as tier two, football will be solid. Three of VT, Miami, North Carolina, Duke, Louisville absolutely have to get locked in here, unless a surprise team like Pitt our NCSU or someone can make a big jump.

It is possible, nothing that requires a miracle. But it still requires fair amount of change, and that's without any backsliding. It's far better than the decade the conference spent with no tier one teams and one tier two team in VT, for sure, but that tier two has to get built before FSU and Clemson start facing coaching changes or inevitable down years. Right now, the ACC simply can't absorb FSU or Clemson to hit a Texas/Michigan/Florida type slump, and that's too much of a high wire act.

Both perspectives above are quite useful and valid. Also, if the ACC doesn't consistently get either 5 or 6 teams into the AP and Coaches' Top 25, that's bad. Frankly the ACC needs two very consistently strong teams from each division, every season. With a third team 'lurking' in each division.

Nailed it....the next few years and no disrespect to the other...in the Atlantic Clemson and Florida State needs to keep at their current pace with Louisville getting back to 2011-2013 level....in the Coastal we need Miami to be Miami again, UNC build on what they did last year and Georgia Tech/Virginia Tech become 8 to 9 game Regular Season winners.

(03-29-2016 02:45 AM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]That system is absurd. BC and Wake were top 25 programs a few years ago.

BC was a pretty solid tier 3 team knocking at the door of tier 2, but they've fallen off a cliff. Maybe they can get back to tier three. Either they or Syracuse, along with Virginia, needs to.

Wake Forest has finished in the final top 25 all of TWICE in the last 40 years. They've only made a top 25 appearance in SIX seasons in the last SIXTY-FIVE years.

Yes, they won an ACC title in a year they never ranked higher than 14 and finished 18th, which represents their highest finish in the history of football. Great for them, but that says more about the ACC than Wake Forest, and if that day was to ever return, you can blow this whole thing up.

Wake Forest is the very definition of a bottom tier football program. They should be expected to win 3-6 games every year, and hopefully just not draw and 0-fer and lose to an FCS school.

That's not a problem. Every conference has them, hell every conference NEEDS them, and Wake is a fine one to have, especially if they can get good at basketball again.

What the ACC DOESN'T need is four or five of them.