(03-22-2016 07:58 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 02:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 01:51 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 12:45 PM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]How many tournament credits has the ACC program currently on probation with its accrediting agency for 23 years of admitted academic fraud, and facing sentencing by the NCAA for five level one infractions including Lack of Institutional Control (the worst charge in the book) going to receive?
How is it that they are allowed to compete in this tournament or keep any if that money?
This is a good point actually. IMHO, if we want real change in college sports, the money needs to stop being funneled to schools / conferences who are found to have been cheating during the time period in which credits and bowl $$$ was made.
Investigation is not complete yet. There is so much to look at I guess.
The Notice of Allegations with five Level One infractions went out last summer. The investigation into those issues is complete (even if it only scratched the surface due to UNC spending $11million+ on lawyers and PR people in damage control).
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Quote:Penalties for 18 years of academic irregularities at the University of North Carolina may come within the year.
Read more: http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015...ticsQuoted from The Daily Tar Heel
Quote:The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill will not lose accreditation over the academic fraud that occurred there, but it will face one year of probation, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges announced Thursday. In October, the university released a detailed report about widespread and long-lasting academic fraud at the university. For 20 years, some employees at the university knowingly steered about 1,500 athletes toward no-show courses that never met and were not taught by any faculty members, and in which the only work required was a single research paper that received a high grade no matter the content.
https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktake...-probation
I find it offensive that: 1) they are playing and Louisville and SMU are not, simply because the former two didn't empty their war chests to fight, lie and obfuscate with every dollar and breath they have; and2) they are playing and the fact that they are on probation for academic fraud and pending sentencing from the NCAA COI, probably by this summer, isn't brought up constantly.
The program should not be playing (the players should have transferred out without penalty to other programs), and the program should not be earning back the money they spent lying to the public and the NCAA. It's an absolute joke and a slap in the face of whatever meager integrity is left in the sport.
BTW, this scandal dates back to at least 1988 (by the university's own admission), under "saint" Dean Smith. He was likely the orchestrator of all of it. Everything they have done in basketball since the late 80s (and probably before that as well), is absolutely tainted, and any success they had then or now is the fruit of that poisonous tree. They wouldn't be where they are today without cheating for decades.
The way the NCAA process works is that if you discover that you committed a level 2 or 3 violation you should immediately self impose a sanction. If you do not then that violation is moved to a level 1 violation. If you commit a level 1 violation then there is little reason to self impose a penalty, it's already a major violation.
In NC case the investigation was near completion until a former player stepped up with new information. His claims needed to be investigated & that's why it's ongoing. Why haven't they self imposed a sanction? They either feel that the evidence shows their innocence of NCAA violations or they feel that they are guilty of level 1 violations.
In Louisville case they obviously feel that the evidence shows that they are guilty of a level 3 or 2 violation & to avoid having it bumped up to a "lack of institutional control" penalty (level 1) they went ahead a self imposed a post season ban. Louisville has yet to receive a letter of infractions from the NCAA, which is usually when self imposed sanctions occur.
I haven't followed the SMU case but I would assume that the university stance was similar to NC.
(03-22-2016 09:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2016 09:46 AM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2016 07:51 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Are you guys writing about Syracuse or Louisville?
Syracuse, Louisville, UNC, Miami... take your pick. They're all filthy.
What has Da U done lately?
Other than being in the Sweet 16 right now? And they are going to give Villanova all they can handle, maybe more than they can handle.
Miami has quietly built a good basketball program. They have the good coaching and stability that their football program has lacked.
I meant "what have they done lately" like fake classes at UNC, like Fab Melo-gate at Syracuse, like Louisville's assistant coach hiring hookers for recruits.
(03-22-2016 07:51 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Are you guys writing about Syracuse or Louisville?
Syracuse, Louisville, UNC, Miami... take your pick. They're all filthy.
Yes, cuz EZU is so clean...
(03-22-2016 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2016 07:51 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Are you guys writing about Syracuse or Louisville?
Syracuse, Louisville, UNC, Miami... take your pick. They're all filthy.
Yes, cuz EZU is so clean...
We can't be dirty. We're terrible.
(03-22-2016 02:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2016 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2016 07:51 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Are you guys writing about Syracuse or Louisville?
Syracuse, Louisville, UNC, Miami... take your pick. They're all filthy.
Yes, cuz EZU is so clean...
We can't be dirty. We're terrible.
All programs are dirty to certain levels...most schools put the moneymaking sports athletes into Fluff degrees filled with ez requirements and friendly professors.
(03-22-2016 09:52 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2016 07:58 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 02:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 01:51 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2016 12:45 PM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]How many tournament credits has the ACC program currently on probation with its accrediting agency for 23 years of admitted academic fraud, and facing sentencing by the NCAA for five level one infractions including Lack of Institutional Control (the worst charge in the book) going to receive?
How is it that they are allowed to compete in this tournament or keep any if that money?
This is a good point actually. IMHO, if we want real change in college sports, the money needs to stop being funneled to schools / conferences who are found to have been cheating during the time period in which credits and bowl $$$ was made.
Investigation is not complete yet. There is so much to look at I guess.
The Notice of Allegations with five Level One infractions went out last summer. The investigation into those issues is complete (even if it only scratched the surface due to UNC spending $11million+ on lawyers and PR people in damage control).
Quote:Penalties for 18 years of academic irregularities at the University of North Carolina may come within the year.
Read more: http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015...ticsQuoted from The Daily Tar Heel
Quote:The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill will not lose accreditation over the academic fraud that occurred there, but it will face one year of probation, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges announced Thursday. In October, the university released a detailed report about widespread and long-lasting academic fraud at the university. For 20 years, some employees at the university knowingly steered about 1,500 athletes toward no-show courses that never met and were not taught by any faculty members, and in which the only work required was a single research paper that received a high grade no matter the content.
https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktake...-probation
I find it offensive that: 1) they are playing and Louisville and SMU are not, simply because the former two didn't empty their war chests to fight, lie and obfuscate with every dollar and breath they have; and2) they are playing and the fact that they are on probation for academic fraud and pending sentencing from the NCAA COI, probably by this summer, isn't brought up constantly.
The program should not be playing (the players should have transferred out without penalty to other programs), and the program should not be earning back the money they spent lying to the public and the NCAA. It's an absolute joke and a slap in the face of whatever meager integrity is left in the sport.
BTW, this scandal dates back to at least 1988 (by the university's own admission), under "saint" Dean Smith. He was likely the orchestrator of all of it. Everything they have done in basketball since the late 80s (and probably before that as well), is absolutely tainted, and any success they had then or now is the fruit of that poisonous tree. They wouldn't be where they are today without cheating for decades.
The way the NCAA process works is that if you discover that you committed a level 2 or 3 violation you should immediately self impose a sanction. If you do not then that violation is moved to a level 1 violation. If you commit a level 1 violation then there is little reason to self impose a penalty, it's already a major violation.
In NC case the investigation was near completion until a former player stepped up with new information. His claims needed to be investigated & that's why it's ongoing. Why haven't they self imposed a sanction? They either feel that the evidence shows their innocence of NCAA violations or they feel that they are guilty of level 1 violations.
In Louisville case they obviously feel that the evidence shows that they are guilty of a level 3 or 2 violation & to avoid having it bumped up to a "lack of institutional control" penalty (level 1) they went ahead a self imposed a post season ban. Louisville has yet to receive a letter of infractions from the NCAA, which is usually when self imposed sanctions occur.
I haven't followed the SMU case but I would assume that the university stance was similar to NC.
Sorry, that's not accurate. UNC attempted to self report minor violations re: women's program in an 11th hour attempt to delay the process. However, the NCAA never issued a new NOA (they didn't have to, it was optional), and so the process clock has continued ticking and the next steps are over due.
Plain and simple UNC spent $11 million + to delay the penalties until after they bagged another basketball national championship. It's abhorrent. Anyone who cares about college sports should be absolutely pissed and demand action.
I wonder where Louisville and SMU would be in this tournament
Notre Dame got lucky as well, they were about to be lumberjacked