This would have been epic but Trump had a "conflict"....
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-almo...acked-out/
Quote:The first Fox New Democratic town hall held Monday night had its origins as a planned debate between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, but the idea was scrapped after Trump pulled out of the debate.
The New York Times reports that Fox executives had the idea, which would have “made primary debate history” as the first face-off between Democratic and Republican presidential candidates before either party picked its nominee. The Sanders campaign agreed to the debate and the Trump campaign was “very intrigued” with the idea.
However, “before the debate could be announced, the Trump campaign pulled out, citing scheduling conflicts, so the network planned to welcome just Mr. Sanders in an hourlong town-hall-style event, hosted by Bret Baier as part of his ‘Special Report’ program.” Shortly after Fox announced the Sanders town hall, Hillary Clinton accepted an earlier invitation that she had rebuffed and the Democratic town hall was born.
Trump also pulled out of Fox News’ Republican presidential debate in January, before attending its March debate.
Hardly. There was no payoff for Trump and all the benefits to be had would have been earned by Bernie if he did well. There is no reason for a front runner to give aid to an underdog on the other ticket.
How stupid would it have been to debate the Dem runner up?
(03-09-2016 11:09 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]Hardly. There was no payoff for Trump and all the benefits to be had would have been earned by Bernie if he did well. There is no reason for a front runner to give aid to an underdog on the other ticket.
XACLY!
Yeah, I can't stand Trump, but you can't just omit each's standing when determining who "chickened out". Why would a front runner agree to a dog fight with someone that no one will remember a month from now?
It was a smart move by Trump. He would have demolished Bernie, giving Hillary a complete free ride to the convention.
As of now, she is getting her ass handed to her in state after state. She'll have to continue to fundraise through the primary season just to overcome Bernie (hit up the Wall St guys for money) until the convention, when they will screw over Bernie and coronate Hillary.
I think Trump would demolish him, and thats nothing to write home about. Hell, I think Trump would demolish Hillary too, seeing the way Bernie handled her on the last debate.
Helping the underdog on the other ticket does damage to that frontrunner, so there is a good reason for him to do it, but the best reason for Trump is because he and Bernie are both hitting the same notes on outsourcing and trade and fighting for the same working class whites, particularly in the rust belt, and that especially matters in open primaries like Michigan and Ohio. Bernie got more votes yesterday than Trump!
Trump backing out is smart because he knows Bernie would demolish him, and he's just hoping Hillary will take care of that for him.
Never thought I would see the day when liberals would call someone who doesn't like Fox News a chicken for not going on Fox News for a debate.
Strange times.
(03-09-2016 11:35 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Never thought I would see the day when liberals would call someone who doesn't like Fox News a chicken for not going on Fox News for a debate.
Strange times.
Fox News is like the Constitution in that the only time it matters to leftists is when it benefits them.
(03-09-2016 11:17 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]It was a smart move by Trump. He would have demolished Bernie, giving Hillary a complete free ride to the convention.
As of now, she is getting her ass handed to her in state after state. She'll have to continue to fundraise through the primary season just to overcome Bernie (hit up the Wall St guys for money) until the convention, when they will screw over Bernie and coronate Hillary.
You're right on Hilary.
From what I can tell, Trump doesn't debate. He fingerpoints, insults, calls names and makes high school generalizations.
"We're gonna be great again. I'm gonna build a wall. We'll torture terrorists. I'm rich. I have a lot of money."
(03-09-2016 11:25 AM)Max Power Wrote: [ -> ]Bernie got more votes yesterday than Trump!
Wait, you mean the winner of the party with 2 candidates got more votes than the winner of the party with 4 candidates? No way.
(03-09-2016 12:16 PM)gsu95 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2016 11:17 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]It was a smart move by Trump. He would have demolished Bernie, giving Hillary a complete free ride to the convention.
As of now, she is getting her ass handed to her in state after state. She'll have to continue to fundraise through the primary season just to overcome Bernie (hit up the Wall St guys for money) until the convention, when they will screw over Bernie and coronate Hillary.
You're right on Hilary.
From what I can tell, Trump doesn't debate. He fingerpoints, insults, calls names and makes high school generalizations.
"We're gonna be great again. I'm gonna build a wall. We'll torture terrorists. I'm rich. I have a lot of money."
Seriously. The idea that Trump would demolish any current candidate in a debate is absurd.
(03-09-2016 12:16 PM)gsu95 Wrote: [ -> ]From what I can tell, Trump doesn't debate. He fingerpoints, insults, calls names and makes high school generalizations.
Simplicity of speech can get confused with simplicity of thought.
People don't always realize that there's a difference between knowing a lot but not being able to state it clearly, and not knowing much at all.
I would just point out that if it was such a no brainer for Trump not to do it, then why did he initially appear to accept the invite in the first place? I mean I can agree it may not have been the wisest move (most of Trump's dumb moves seem to benefit him anyway), but what changed from he and his people thinking it was a good idea, to now they can't find time for it? I am not saying Trump was "chicken," but the response of he didn't do it because it wouldn't help him doesn't fly, when on that front, nothing changed between the time he was to have agreed to do it, and when he backed out. If anything Trump's position worsened a bit.
(03-09-2016 02:48 PM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ]I would just point out that if it was such a no brainer for Trump not to do it, then why did he initially appear to accept the invite in the first place? I mean I can agree it may not have been the wisest move (most of Trump's dumb moves seem to benefit him anyway), but what changed from he and his people thinking it was a good idea, to now they can't find time for it? I am not saying Trump was "chicken," but the response of he didn't do it because it wouldn't help him doesn't fly, when on that front, nothing changed between the time he was to have agreed to do it, and when he backed out. If anything Trump's position worsened a bit.
I never saw where it gave a timeline for when the idea was first floated and then considered by both candidates. Based on the reference to Trump backing out of a January debate on FOX, I'm guessing this was an idea floated before any elections occurred, and back then Trump and Sanders looked like clear underdogs. Given how things unfolded, my guess is Trump did not expect to be the clear front runner. Therefore, he prudently pulled out of this proposal.
(03-09-2016 02:55 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]I never saw where it gave a timeline for when the idea was first floated and then considered by both candidates. Based on the reference to Trump backing out of a January debate on FOX, I'm guessing this was an idea floated before any elections occurred, and back then Trump and Sanders looked like clear underdogs. Given how things unfolded, my guess is Trump did not expect to be the clear front runner. Therefore, he prudently pulled out of this proposal.
The debate was the one original scheduled for a couple of days ago. The article also sources that after Trump backed out, they were going to make it a town hall, and then Hillary decided to join in. Hillary joined in on March 4, three days before the debate happened. Based on the wording, it makes it appear they all happened around the same time. So that puts Trump dropping out of the debate in the last week or two. And based on the fact that I cannot imagine them having this set up, and not announcing it for weeks, that puts the timeline of when he accepted it as likely within a week or so prior to cancelling.
So again, if seemed a good idea for him then, likely within the last two weeks, and his position compared to Bernie's is slightly worse, not better, his position relative to Bernie's would not appear to the reason he dropped out. It was likely something else.
No reason to give that pos the time of day. **** that pink cocksucking Bernie.
(03-09-2016 04:04 PM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2016 02:55 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]I never saw where it gave a timeline for when the idea was first floated and then considered by both candidates. Based on the reference to Trump backing out of a January debate on FOX, I'm guessing this was an idea floated before any elections occurred, and back then Trump and Sanders looked like clear underdogs. Given how things unfolded, my guess is Trump did not expect to be the clear front runner. Therefore, he prudently pulled out of this proposal.
The debate was the one original scheduled for a couple of days ago. The article also sources that after Trump backed out, they were going to make it a town hall, and then Hillary decided to join in. Hillary joined in on March 4, three days before the debate happened. Based on the wording, it makes it appear they all happened around the same time. So that puts Trump dropping out of the debate in the last week or two. And based on the fact that I cannot imagine them having this set up, and not announcing it for weeks, that puts the timeline of when he accepted it as likely within a week or so prior to cancelling.
So again, if seemed a good idea for him then, likely within the last two weeks, and his position compared to Bernie's is slightly worse, not better, his position relative to Bernie's would not appear to the reason he dropped out. It was likely something else.
That's your interpretation. I don't read it that way at all.
I wonder if Trump backed out around the same time as when he was engaged in open warfare with Fox News.
Oh and I agree that it was a no-brainer for Trump to pull out of a debate with the communist. No need to give the impression that the leftist #2 is equal to the Republican frontrunner. If Bernie wants to debate a Republican Presidential candidate he needs to win the leftist nomination.
