The only teams in Sunbelt I want to play are GSU, GsU, and App State. Don't much care for the rest of that conference at all. Games vs USM, MU, WKU , MTSU, UAB, LT and UTEP are already more exciting than playing Texas State or Troy.
So to answer your question. No.
(03-01-2016 08:16 PM)Old Dominion Wrote: [ -> ]Say JMU gets invited, you'd have JMU, App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina among others. How is that line up any worse than F_U's, North Texas, UTSA, etc?
Much closer to us, reduced travel costs, better chance for rivalries. What do you think?
We need a travel partner - either JMU or ECU. From a competitive standpoint Sun Belt and CUSA are pretty equal. Travel is a tad better in the SBC, but not enough to pay exit fees. We need a better situation for us, but I don't think SBC is it.
(03-01-2016 09:36 PM)cjpritODU Wrote: [ -> ]I personally feel like we should have made a bid to join the MAC. They have a better TV deal and they get those midweek MACtion games on ESPN which gives the institution lots of exposure when not much else is on TV sports wise and there are some strong teams in the MAC for football (UNI, Bowling Green, Toledo) and in basketball they are better than CUSA #10 in conference RPI compared to #22 for CUSA http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...conference just my thoughts but as it is now it looks like CUSA for the foreseeable future
I don't believe the MAC is a good fit for us at all. They offer an even worse geographic footprint and while a lot of people talk about the big Tuesday night MAC football games - I'm not sure that is such a good thing - even for the MAC. They are Tuesday night games in empty stadiums in crap weather. I'm not sure the exposure is all that great. Our fan base would respond TERRIBLY to Tuesday night games. I'd want no part of it at all. I'm not "happy as can be" with C-USA but I really think the conference is a mirror of Old Dominion right now - in transition and right on the edge of a big move forward. I think there are a lot of teams in both FBALL and BBALL right on the edge of real improvement. The conference has a lot of "young" programs that are transitioning from once conference to another or from FCS to FBS. We've finished the last 2 years with a FBALL team in the Top 25 - that's pretty good for rock bottom. I do believe BBALL will improve as a conference. Our FBALL program has been in a state of transition from season 1. We've either been building or transitioning. I'm not sure we've ever had a full roster of recruits at the level we are playing in - maybe one season at FCS?? Let us get our footing as a team and a program and a conference. There should be no talk of other conferences until we have won championships in C-USA. Once we start doing that consistently - who knows the future but that has to be the only goal. Win where we are now!
(03-02-2016 09:12 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2016 09:36 PM)cjpritODU Wrote: [ -> ]I personally feel like we should have made a bid to join the MAC. They have a better TV deal and they get those midweek MACtion games on ESPN which gives the institution lots of exposure when not much else is on TV sports wise and there are some strong teams in the MAC for football (UNI, Bowling Green, Toledo) and in basketball they are better than CUSA #10 in conference RPI compared to #22 for CUSA http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...conference just my thoughts but as it is now it looks like CUSA for the foreseeable future
I don't believe the MAC is a good fit for us at all. They offer an even worse geographic footprint and while a lot of people talk about the big Tuesday night MAC football games - I'm not sure that is such a good thing - even for the MAC. They are Tuesday night games in empty stadiums in crap weather. I'm not sure the exposure is all that great. Our fan base would respond TERRIBLY to Tuesday night games. I'd want no part of it at all. I'm not "happy as can be" with C-USA but I really think the conference is a mirror of Old Dominion right now - in transition and right on the edge of a big move forward. I think there are a lot of teams in both FBALL and BBALL right on the edge of real improvement. The conference has a lot of "young" programs that are transitioning from once conference to another or from FCS to FBS. We've finished the last 2 years with a FBALL team in the Top 25 - that's pretty good for rock bottom. I do believe BBALL will improve as a conference. Our FBALL program has been in a state of transition from season 1. We've either been building or transitioning. I'm not sure we've ever had a full roster of recruits at the level we are playing in - maybe one season at FCS?? Let us get our footing as a team and a program and a conference. There should be no talk of other conferences until we have won championships in C-USA. Once we start doing that consistently - who knows the future but that has to be the only goal. Win where we are now!
(03-01-2016 08:16 PM)Old Dominion Wrote: [ -> ]Say JMU gets invited, you'd have JMU, App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina among others. How is that line up any worse than F_U's, North Texas, UTSA, etc?
Much closer to us, reduced travel costs, better chance for rivalries. What do you think?
Better travel, worse athletics.
The problems with the Sun Belt are a little less money, and crappier bowls. As long as thats the case, CUSA is better. That very well may change soon however. And if it does, if UNCC and JMU joined the SB, I'd be inclined to say I would prefer it. But not unless that happened.
Regarding the MAC, I heard through sources that are generally correct, that we could have gone there, but chose CUSA due to ECU being part of it. Maybe thats when ODU, JMU and UD were all going as a package deal. I can't remember for sure. We are already in the MAC for wrestling so the academic argument doesn't hold. I was talking about JMU going to the MAC with some of their alumni and all of them were against it. CUSA or nothing was their attitude.
(03-02-2016 10:01 AM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]The problems with the Sun Belt are a little less money, and crappier bowls. As long as thats the case, CUSA is better. That very well may change soon however. And if it does, if UNCC and JMU joined the SB, I'd be inclined to say I would prefer it. But not unless that happened.
Regarding the MAC, I heard through sources that are generally correct, thawe could have gone there, but chose CUSA due to ECU being part of it. Maybe thats when ODU, JMU and UD were all going as a package deal. I can't remember for sure. We are already in the MAC for wrestling so the academic argument doesn't hold. I was talking about JMU going to the MAC with some of their alumni and all of them were against it. CUSA or nothing was their attitude.
I would be fascinated to know those sources. The MAC had/has no reason to expand, thus diluting both CFP and NCAA monies. Unlike the SBC, CUSA, WAC, and even the MWC, they were
never in any danger of realignment poaching.
Further, we would have been a geographic outlier.
That makes absolutely no sense, none,
As posted, the MAC, like the ACC, Big East, and the A10 had already "politely" rebuffed Selig's inquiries.
We didn't "choose" CUSA, it chose us because of a perfect storm of realignment issues.
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/06/lot-work...s-big-move
There is no evidence whatsoever that JMU, ODU and UD were going anywhere as a package deal. Representatives from those three schools met in Fredricksburg at the behest of Wood Selig to discuss possibilities because of the pending CAA issues.
http://jmusportsblog.com/?p=5580
I am sorry, but this thread is starting to sound like one of the delusional JMU conference threads.
I do not understand why some people love JMU so much.
(03-02-2016 11:17 AM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ]I do not understand why some people love JMU so much.
Just a hunch, those fans believe we need a rival. Sports are better with them and they believe JMU is the best chance at that (short of getting an invite to the AAC) in football.
I would add that rivalries are a lot more fun for the fan when they interact on a daily basis with the opposition's fans. Something JMU would also offer that no one in CUSA can.
(03-02-2016 11:17 AM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ]I do not understand why some people love JMU so much.
No love for JMU, but it would be nice to have a travel partner that amounted to a day trip. If Richmond was willing to move up or ECU could get us in the AAC, I'd prefer either of them, but the CUSA footprint is killing us competitively.
+1 to the two posts above. And we're a geographic outlier in CUSA already. Thats why people dislike it. Rivalries and geographic proximity make it all more interesting. We got much more press in state before moving to FBS. Hampton Roads is a bubble, and it seems like we're pretty big time in VP land, but get past Williamsburg and to the NC border and its not so good.
(03-02-2016 12:26 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]+1 to the two posts above. And we're a geographic outlier in CUSA already. Thats why people dislike it. Rivalries and geographic proximity make it all more interesting. We got much more press in state before moving to FBS. Hampton Roads is a bubble, and it seems like we're pretty big time in VP land, but get past Williamsburg and to the NC border and its not so good.
JJ spoke at length about the challenges of CUSA on the Coaches Show. Said we were making the best of a "bad situation". Nobody is happy.
(03-02-2016 11:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 11:17 AM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ]I do not understand why some people love JMU so much.
No love for JMU, but it would be nice to have a travel partner that amounted to a day trip. If Richmond was willing to move up or ECU could get us in the AAC, I'd prefer either of them, but the CUSA footprint is killing us competitively.
We have great day trips on our future schedules: Boone, Chapel Hill, Greenville, Charlottesville, Blacksburg, Charlotte, Raleigh, etc.. All of these destinations are far superior than Harrisonburg.
(03-02-2016 12:32 PM)ODU86 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 11:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 11:17 AM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ]I do not understand why some people love JMU so much.
No love for JMU, but it would be nice to have a travel partner that amounted to a day trip. If Richmond was willing to move up or ECU could get us in the AAC, I'd prefer either of them, but the CUSA footprint is killing us competitively.
We have great day trips on our future schedules: Boone, Chapel Hill, Greenville, Charlottesville, Blacksburg, Charlotte, Raleigh, etc.. All of these destinations are far superior than Harrisonburg.
I am talking mostly for basketball and non-revenue sports. You don't have travel partners in football.
(03-02-2016 10:24 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 10:01 AM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]The problems with the Sun Belt are a little less money, and crappier bowls. As long as thats the case, CUSA is better. That very well may change soon however. And if it does, if UNCC and JMU joined the SB, I'd be inclined to say I would prefer it. But not unless that happened.
Regarding the MAC, I heard through sources that are generally correct, thawe could have gone there, but chose CUSA due to ECU being part of it. Maybe thats when ODU, JMU and UD were all going as a package deal. I can't remember for sure. We are already in the MAC for wrestling so the academic argument doesn't hold. I was talking about JMU going to the MAC with some of their alumni and all of them were against it. CUSA or nothing was their attitude.
I would be fascinated to know those sources. The MAC had/has no reason to expand, thus diluting both CFP and NCAA monies. Unlike the SBC, CUSA, WAC, and even the MWC, they were never in any danger of realignment poaching.
Further, we would have been a geographic outlier.
That makes absolutely no sense, none,
As posted, the MAC, like the ACC, Big East, and the A10 had already "politely" rebuffed Selig's inquiries.
We didn't "choose" CUSA, it chose us because of a perfect storm of realignment issues.
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/06/lot-work...s-big-move
There is no evidence whatsoever that JMU, ODU and UD were going anywhere as a package deal. Representatives from those three schools met in Fredricksburg at the behest of Wood Selig to discuss possibilities because of the pending CAA issues.
http://jmusportsblog.com/?p=5580
I am sorry, but this thread is starting to sound like one of the delusional JMU conference threads.
Several of us are under the impression that MAC would like multiple schools in the state or nearby. The MAC didn't want ODU by itself but was interested if joined by Delaware or JMU. Here is someone eluding to that quote back in 2013 when they were looking at Virginia schools:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-626189-page-3.html
That helps fill in the missing pieces of realignment several years back. The A-10 didn't want a football first school and the MAC wanted us as a package but not individually. That left us with the CAA or C-USA as options. C-USA was a no brainer at the time especially with ECU right next door.
(03-02-2016 12:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 12:32 PM)ODU86 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 11:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 11:17 AM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ]I do not understand why some people love JMU so much.
No love for JMU, but it would be nice to have a travel partner that amounted to a day trip. If Richmond was willing to move up or ECU could get us in the AAC, I'd prefer either of them, but the CUSA footprint is killing us competitively.
We have great day trips on our future schedules: Boone, Chapel Hill, Greenville, Charlottesville, Blacksburg, Charlotte, Raleigh, etc.. All of these destinations are far superior than Harrisonburg.
I am talking mostly for basketball and non-revenue sports. You don't have travel partners in football.
Agree, we have no conference day trips opportunities in any sports. Football, BB, etc. Lot's of OOC opportunities though.
(03-02-2016 09:19 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 09:12 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2016 09:36 PM)cjpritODU Wrote: [ -> ]I personally feel like we should have made a bid to join the MAC. They have a better TV deal and they get those midweek MACtion games on ESPN which gives the institution lots of exposure when not much else is on TV sports wise and there are some strong teams in the MAC for football (UNI, Bowling Green, Toledo) and in basketball they are better than CUSA #10 in conference RPI compared to #22 for CUSA http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...conference just my thoughts but as it is now it looks like CUSA for the foreseeable future
I don't believe the MAC is a good fit for us at all. They offer an even worse geographic footprint and while a lot of people talk about the big Tuesday night MAC football games - I'm not sure that is such a good thing - even for the MAC. They are Tuesday night games in empty stadiums in crap weather. I'm not sure the exposure is all that great. Our fan base would respond TERRIBLY to Tuesday night games. I'd want no part of it at all. I'm not "happy as can be" with C-USA but I really think the conference is a mirror of Old Dominion right now - in transition and right on the edge of a big move forward. I think there are a lot of teams in both FBALL and BBALL right on the edge of real improvement. The conference has a lot of "young" programs that are transitioning from once conference to another or from FCS to FBS. We've finished the last 2 years with a FBALL team in the Top 25 - that's pretty good for rock bottom. I do believe BBALL will improve as a conference. Our FBALL program has been in a state of transition from season 1. We've either been building or transitioning. I'm not sure we've ever had a full roster of recruits at the level we are playing in - maybe one season at FCS?? Let us get our footing as a team and a program and a conference. There should be no talk of other conferences until we have won championships in C-USA. Once we start doing that consistently - who knows the future but that has to be the only goal. Win where we are now!
That is the most ridiculous, self fulfilling line of thought I have ever heard. The fear is that this conference is hurting our athletics. Well if the conference keeps us from living up to our potential, then we are probably not going to be winning a bunch of championships. The fact is that everything about this conference except the fact that it offers FBS football is a bad fit for us, and there is a significant possibility that we become mired in mediocrity because of it, just like when we were in the Sunbelt.
Sunbelt and CUSA need to mix and match to make the best regional conferences, all this cross country stuff is just a waste.
Here is my 13 team conference for us. Charlotte, Marshall, JMU, Old Dominion, App State, Western Kentucky, Ga Southern, Ga State, Middle Tenn, Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, Southern Miss.
Other 12 team Conference: La Tech, NT, Rice, UTEP, UTSA, Tx State, UL Monroe, UL Lafayette, South Alabama, Arkansas State, Troy, UAB
I'll just give a simple no and move on
(03-02-2016 12:52 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 09:19 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2016 09:12 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2016 09:36 PM)cjpritODU Wrote: [ -> ]I personally feel like we should have made a bid to join the MAC. They have a better TV deal and they get those midweek MACtion games on ESPN which gives the institution lots of exposure when not much else is on TV sports wise and there are some strong teams in the MAC for football (UNI, Bowling Green, Toledo) and in basketball they are better than CUSA #10 in conference RPI compared to #22 for CUSA http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...conference just my thoughts but as it is now it looks like CUSA for the foreseeable future
I don't believe the MAC is a good fit for us at all. They offer an even worse geographic footprint and while a lot of people talk about the big Tuesday night MAC football games - I'm not sure that is such a good thing - even for the MAC. They are Tuesday night games in empty stadiums in crap weather. I'm not sure the exposure is all that great. Our fan base would respond TERRIBLY to Tuesday night games. I'd want no part of it at all. I'm not "happy as can be" with C-USA but I really think the conference is a mirror of Old Dominion right now - in transition and right on the edge of a big move forward. I think there are a lot of teams in both FBALL and BBALL right on the edge of real improvement. The conference has a lot of "young" programs that are transitioning from once conference to another or from FCS to FBS. We've finished the last 2 years with a FBALL team in the Top 25 - that's pretty good for rock bottom. I do believe BBALL will improve as a conference. Our FBALL program has been in a state of transition from season 1. We've either been building or transitioning. I'm not sure we've ever had a full roster of recruits at the level we are playing in - maybe one season at FCS?? Let us get our footing as a team and a program and a conference. There should be no talk of other conferences until we have won championships in C-USA. Once we start doing that consistently - who knows the future but that has to be the only goal. Win where we are now!
That is the most ridiculous, self fulfilling line of thought I have ever heard. The fear is that this conference is hurting our athletics. Well if the conference keeps us from living up to our potential, then we are probably not going to be winning a bunch of championships. The fact is that everything about this conference except the fact that it offers FBS football is a bad fit for us, and there is a significant possibility that we become mired in mediocrity because of it, just like when we were in the Sunbelt.
While I am very grateful to the transitional home which CUSA has provided for ODU, I do believe that the AAC would provide several things for ODU which our current conference does not; therefore I believe our administration should keep a finger on that conference's pulse, and continue to make ODU an attractive partner to whichever conference we are, or hope to be a member.
The AAC would provide ODU with additional media revenue, and perhaps more importantly with more media coverage.
Since the AAC has thus far held it's men's and women's basketball tournaments in seperate markets, with the men's being in large off campus facilities, ODU would have the chance to host the AAC Basketball Tournament in the coming VB Arena.
The AAC would also provide/re-unite ODU with a natural, close rival and travel pertner in ECU. I am not so certain that JMU will ever seek or accept admission to the Sun Belt, or that they would recieve a CUSA invite.
Where ODU ultimately winds up is of course largely predicated on the choices the administration makes regarding our new football stadium. If the AAC is the end game, and I believe that it should be, ODU MUST build a stadium whice can seat 30,000, or can be expanded to that capacity.