(02-26-2016 11:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 10:42 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]I have said this all year and there have been a lot of people that have disagreed with me. I understand that the offense did not run smoothly while Freeman and Caver were on the floor at the same time. THAT HAS CHANGED. I knew this would be the case. It is not 1 game!
Our best two games of the year IMO, were UAB at home and last night. Both games where Caver played important minutes.
I will stand by what I said early this year. Our best offensive lineup:
1. Caver
1a. Freeman
3. Bacote
4. Talley
5. Stith
The time has come for Jones to cut the youngsters loose and let them go!!!!! I thought Jones was masterful last night. For those of you that wanted to see us play up tempo...We did and he was screaming for the guys to push the ball. When Caver would get the ball in his hands off of a rebound Jones was yelling "PUSH IT!!!". Love it. Please let our best lineup get the majority of the minutes in Birmingham.
I completely agree, and know how you feel. It is funny how JJ finally did a lot of the things that some of us have been asking for all year, and we played our best game of the season, and now all of the people saying why all of those ideas wouldn't work, are singing the praises of the staff for their brilliance.
No I am not singing their praises. The truth is that he did an excellent job last night. I will sing his praises if he allows these guys to play throughout the rest of the reason. Put the leash away Jones. Let Caver be Caver and Talley be Talley. Having that lineup on the floor for the majority of the game is our only chance in Birmingham.
The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
(02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
(02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
Guy...you personally attacked and insulted razor numerous times. Also, if you believe we win in Birmingham by holding Marshall, uab, middle Tennessee to under 60 points then you need to lock in on the results of this season. Also, I was talking about us playing up tempo and great defense in the same game. Not us matching utep's defense. There are plenty of people on this board that prefer up tempo over slowing the game down and attempting to hold Marshall scoreless. Best way to pick our tempo up? Put a quick and talented playmaker on the floor...Ahmad Caver.
Good thing we won or fans might really get fickle.
BTW: It's our first win over UTEP. We still have to check MTSU off of our list.
So we played up tempo and great defense vs. a terrible team. Lets try that again next game!
Speeding up the tempo has not helped us thus far this year. Last night, it didn't affect us.
We've had good and bad Caver throughout the year. Hopefully, he can continue to grow and improve and thus would help our team, I agree.
(02-26-2016 11:44 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 10:42 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]I have said this all year and there have been a lot of people that have disagreed with me. I understand that the offense did not run smoothly while Freeman and Caver were on the floor at the same time. THAT HAS CHANGED. I knew this would be the case. It is not 1 game!
Our best two games of the year IMO, were UAB at home and last night. Both games where Caver played important minutes.
I will stand by what I said early this year. Our best offensive lineup:
1. Caver
1a. Freeman
3. Bacote
4. Talley
5. Stith
The time has come for Jones to cut the youngsters loose and let them go!!!!! I thought Jones was masterful last night. For those of you that wanted to see us play up tempo...We did and he was screaming for the guys to push the ball. When Caver would get the ball in his hands off of a rebound Jones was yelling "PUSH IT!!!". Love it. Please let our best lineup get the majority of the minutes in Birmingham.
I completely agree, and know how you feel. It is funny how JJ finally did a lot of the things that some of us have been asking for all year, and we played our best game of the season, and now all of the people saying why all of those ideas wouldn't work, are singing the praises of the staff for their brilliance.
No I am not singing their praises. The truth is that he did an excellent job last night. I will sing his praises if he allows these guys to play throughout the rest of the reason. Put the leash away Jones. Let Caver be Caver and Talley be Talley. Having that lineup on the floor for the majority of the game is our only chance in Birmingham.
Sorry. I did not mean to make it sound like I was referring to you singing praises.
(02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
(02-26-2016 12:54 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ]Good thing we won or fans might really get fickle.
BTW: It's our first win over UTEP. We still have to check MTSU off of our list.
If we do not come back from Birmingham as the champs, a nice consolation prize would be knocking MT out of the running. they seem to beat us in every sport at the worst times. its gotta be our turn.
(02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
Your thoughts?
(02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
I like Talley at the 4 for the most part. I just don't know how good of a fit considering the players around him (either Caver or Baker in the lineup). Think it depends on matchup.
(02-26-2016 01:26 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
Your thoughts?
JJ has benched Talley in multiple games for missing defensive and block-out assignments. Last night he could play minutes at the 4 because his assignment was a 6-4 guard. It's not likely to be effective vs the top CUSA programs with 4s like Ryan Taylor (Marshall), Darnell Harris (MTSU) or William Lee (UAB). I like Talley's game a lot, but he works much better in open space rather than in close quarters.
(02-26-2016 01:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
I like Talley at the 4 for the most part. I just don't know how good of a fit considering the players around him (either Caver or Baker in the lineup). Think it depends on matchup.
I was actually very happy with the way Jordan Baker played last night. He still cannot hit a wide open 3. I also do not believe that he should be playing starter minutes. Caver did a great job defensively last night on the ball.
(02-26-2016 01:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 11:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]The same lineups don't work for every game. UTEP is a small ball team and got behind and pressured us. Having Caver as an extra ball handler was needed.
Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
I like Talley at the 4 for the most part. I just don't know how good of a fit considering the players around him (either Caver or Baker in the lineup). Think it depends on matchup.
I'm with Giles fan on this. I like the up tempo style but it doesn't always work against every matchup. Don't forget we buried them in the first half last night using our big lineup of Talley, Taylor, and Stith on the front line. Floyd's moves dictated the change Jones made to adjust to Floyd's style. This is not the first game we have played some uptempo and it's not the first game I have heard Jones yelling to push the ball but it is the most effective we have been with it.
Caver looked early in the season like he needed a boost of confidence and maybe last night was a big step in that direction. I remember in the preseason when Jones was talking about Caver's game and he was talking about how effective he could be in a pressing full court game. Maybe we are just seeing now how that could play out.
(02-26-2016 02:06 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
I like Talley at the 4 for the most part. I just don't know how good of a fit considering the players around him (either Caver or Baker in the lineup). Think it depends on matchup.
I'm with Giles fan on this. I like the up tempo style but it doesn't always work against every matchup. Don't forget we buried them in the first half last night using our big lineup of Talley, Taylor, and Stith on the front line. Floyd's moves dictated the change Jones made to adjust to Floyd's style. This is not the first game we have played some uptempo and it's not the first game I have heard Jones yelling to push the ball but it is the most effective we have been with it.
Caver looked early in the season like he needed a boost of confidence and maybe last night was a big step in that direction. I remember in the preseason when Jones was talking about Caver's game and he was talking about how effective he could be in a pressing full court game. Maybe we are just seeing now how that could play out.
We have also seen how games with Marshall and Middle Tennessee have gone when we slow down and "play big". It doesn't work. Actually, it can't work. That has become fact...not opinion.
(02-26-2016 01:47 PM)bigblue78 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:26 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Are you kidding me? Sometimes I wonder if you have any idea of what is going on. We played against the best team in CUSA with him logging significant minutes and it was the second best performance we have put on the court all year (last night being the best). Do they play a small ball lineup? Absolutely not. We need to run and be creative in the open floor to score points at a high rate. It has been proven. We matched defensive tenacity with playing at a higher tempo...which resulted in scoring more points. Sounds like a recipe for winning. You guys give RR a lot of crap, and it is probably necessary, but this guy has no clue what he is watching. All he does is puke statistics.
Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
Your thoughts?
JJ has benched Talley in multiple games for missing defensive and block-out assignments. Last night he could play minutes at the 4 because his assignment was a 6-4 guard. It's not likely to be effective vs the top CUSA programs with 4s like Ryan Taylor (Marshall), Darnell Harris (MTSU) or William Lee (UAB). I like Talley's game a lot, but he works much better in open space rather than in close quarters.
I think the point is that we will take a few missed assignments on the defensive end if it allows us to score more than 57 points. 757 nailed it. There are certain teams in our conference that we MUST be able to score to have any chance to beat. Also, you referred to matchup problems with Talley guarding a true 4. To that I have two responses.
1. Talley is as big as most teams' 4
2. If Talley is mismatched, the it is most likely that the guy he is playing against is as well. You can complain about mismatches, or you can use them. I think Talley as a 4 is a needed piece on offense that can take advantage of mismatches. We just have to identify them, and attack them.
(02-26-2016 02:31 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 02:06 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Im going to ignore the personal insults and instead speak on the opinions of the posters. Caver is a freshman, he's going to have good games and bad games. Caver played well against UAB as well as Rice and UTEP. He's also played bad games against teams like LT, Southern Miss, and Marshall. Last night, he played well and I have hope for the future. But, you shouldn't expect him to put that performance in on an nightly basis because he's an inconsistent freshman.
We "matched their defensive intensity" because they are roughly the 225th best defense in the country.
I prefer to support my opinion as opposed to resulting to personal insults, hyperbole, or insignificant material, which is typically done when you have no support. You can support your opinions however you want.
You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
I like Talley at the 4 for the most part. I just don't know how good of a fit considering the players around him (either Caver or Baker in the lineup). Think it depends on matchup.
I'm with Giles fan on this. I like the up tempo style but it doesn't always work against every matchup. Don't forget we buried them in the first half last night using our big lineup of Talley, Taylor, and Stith on the front line. Floyd's moves dictated the change Jones made to adjust to Floyd's style. This is not the first game we have played some uptempo and it's not the first game I have heard Jones yelling to push the ball but it is the most effective we have been with it.
Caver looked early in the season like he needed a boost of confidence and maybe last night was a big step in that direction. I remember in the preseason when Jones was talking about Caver's game and he was talking about how effective he could be in a pressing full court game. Maybe we are just seeing now how that could play out.
We have also seen how games with Marshall and Middle Tennessee have gone when we slow down and "play big". It doesn't work. Actually, it can't work. That has become fact...not opinion.
We didn't play slow vs. Marshall. We played 71 possessions last game and 67 the time before that. 70 vs. UTEP.
Conversely, we played slow vs. UAB and had one of our best offensive games.
(02-26-2016 02:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 02:31 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 02:06 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't even addressing the most important part of his proposed new lineup. Putting Talley at the 4 is the more important change.
I like Talley at the 4 for the most part. I just don't know how good of a fit considering the players around him (either Caver or Baker in the lineup). Think it depends on matchup.
I'm with Giles fan on this. I like the up tempo style but it doesn't always work against every matchup. Don't forget we buried them in the first half last night using our big lineup of Talley, Taylor, and Stith on the front line. Floyd's moves dictated the change Jones made to adjust to Floyd's style. This is not the first game we have played some uptempo and it's not the first game I have heard Jones yelling to push the ball but it is the most effective we have been with it.
Caver looked early in the season like he needed a boost of confidence and maybe last night was a big step in that direction. I remember in the preseason when Jones was talking about Caver's game and he was talking about how effective he could be in a pressing full court game. Maybe we are just seeing now how that could play out.
We have also seen how games with Marshall and Middle Tennessee have gone when we slow down and "play big". It doesn't work. Actually, it can't work. That has become fact...not opinion.
We didn't play slow vs. Marshall. We played 71 possessions last game and 67 the time before that. 70 vs. UTEP.
Conversely, we played slow vs. UAB and had one of our best offensive games.
But we played big. I completely disagree with playing big against Marshall. Jones obviously knows more about basketball than I ever will, but show me a time where Denzell Taylor's defense neutrailizes James Kelly or Ryan Taylor's offense. Also, you're basically handing them a top offensive threat and guaranteeing Marshall that one of those guys will 1. Not have to play defense 2. Never be in foul trouble.
(02-26-2016 02:59 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 02:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 02:31 PM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 02:06 PM)JJMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2016 01:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I like Talley at the 4 for the most part. I just don't know how good of a fit considering the players around him (either Caver or Baker in the lineup). Think it depends on matchup.
I'm with Giles fan on this. I like the up tempo style but it doesn't always work against every matchup. Don't forget we buried them in the first half last night using our big lineup of Talley, Taylor, and Stith on the front line. Floyd's moves dictated the change Jones made to adjust to Floyd's style. This is not the first game we have played some uptempo and it's not the first game I have heard Jones yelling to push the ball but it is the most effective we have been with it.
Caver looked early in the season like he needed a boost of confidence and maybe last night was a big step in that direction. I remember in the preseason when Jones was talking about Caver's game and he was talking about how effective he could be in a pressing full court game. Maybe we are just seeing now how that could play out.
We have also seen how games with Marshall and Middle Tennessee have gone when we slow down and "play big". It doesn't work. Actually, it can't work. That has become fact...not opinion.
We didn't play slow vs. Marshall. We played 71 possessions last game and 67 the time before that. 70 vs. UTEP.
Conversely, we played slow vs. UAB and had one of our best offensive games.
But we played big. I completely disagree with playing big against Marshall. Jones obviously knows more about basketball than I ever will, but show me a time where Denzell Taylor's defense neutrailizes James Kelly or Ryan Taylor's offense. Also, you're basically handing them a top offensive threat and guaranteeing Marshall that one of those guys will 1. Not have to play defense 2. Never be in foul trouble.
This was obvious in the last Marshall game. Taylor's man didn't bother guarding Taylor. He roamed and either double-teamed Freeman or Stith.