Why doesn't the ACC invite them? You destroy the Big 12's plans for expansion into your territory and gain two good markets, two more strong basketball programs, and Cincy has averaged 9 wins in football over the last 6-7 years and UConn is getting back on track with Diaco. Just curious.
The ACC needs football wins, football fans, and new football recruiting territory.
Cincinnati is acceptable (not great) in these areas.
UConn doesn't make the cut, IMO. Temple might be a better fit.
Because it makes no sense for the ACC to expand for expansion's sake. That would be dumb.
Because we already have enough football deadweight and if you look up deadweight in the dictionary the footnote says "See UConn football"
I'd love for Cincy to get an ACC invite, but UConn and their fans can rot. Unfortunately, the ACC isn't expanding unless Notre Dame joins in football, which is unlikely.
Like others said, football is the priority, the ACC is already the top basketball conference, it doesn't need more. Cincy at least cares about football and is located in very fertile recruiting territory.
(02-17-2016 08:15 AM)TopperCard Wrote: [ -> ]I'd love for Cincy to get an ACC invite, but UConn and their fans can rot. Unfortunately, the ACC isn't expanding unless Notre Dame joins in football, which is unlikely.
Like others said, football is the priority, the ACC is already the top basketball conference, it doesn't need more. Cincy at least cares about football and is located in very fertile recruiting territory.
For the ACC purposes only Cincinnati is acceptable. As said in this thread Cincinnati cares about Football and is in a good recruiting area.
Cincinnati Will always get 2 Thumbs up from most former Big East football fans. I even believe that 99% of ACC fans would also accept Houston as an addition with Cincinnati if expansion were to happen and the Big 12 remained intact as the 10 They currently are with. Houston offers a prime recruiting territory and large TV market for an ACC Network. They care about Football, new stadium and have Basketball history to boot.
Yes, the ACC needs more dead weight.
(02-17-2016 09:03 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Cincinnati Will always get 2 Thumbs up from most former Big East football fans. I even believe that 99% of ACC fans would also accept Houston as an addition with Cincinnati if expansion were to happen and the Big 12 remained intact as the 10 They currently are with. Houston offers a prime recruiting territory and large TV market for an ACC Network. They care about Football, new stadium and have Basketball history to boot.
Cardfan, I love your posts man, but Houston gets a BIG FAT NO! from me.
(02-17-2016 10:16 AM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ] (02-17-2016 09:03 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Cincinnati Will always get 2 Thumbs up from most former Big East football fans. I even believe that 99% of ACC fans would also accept Houston as an addition with Cincinnati if expansion were to happen and the Big 12 remained intact as the 10 They currently are with. Houston offers a prime recruiting territory and large TV market for an ACC Network. They care about Football, new stadium and have Basketball history to boot.
Cardfan, I love your posts man, but Houston gets a BIG FAT NO! from me.
That's why We all have opinions !
If adding Cincinnati & Houston didn't mean a pay cut I would be for it.
(02-17-2016 11:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]If adding Cincinnati & Houston didn't mean a pay cut I would be for it.
If adding Cincinnait and Houston result in a per existing school $2M-$3M bump in media money, I'd be all for it.
(02-17-2016 11:25 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: [ -> ] (02-17-2016 11:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]If adding Cincinnati & Houston didn't mean a pay cut I would be for it.
If adding Cincinnait and Houston result in a per existing school $2M-$3M bump in media money, I'd be all for it.
...and here we come to our problem....
I think the Big12-2 needs to take both of them in order to actually have a true Championship game....the ACC doesn't.
Plus (*sounds condescending I Know) they don't bring added $ value to any league but at least in the big12-2 they would even out the numbers, and add athletic value thought not monetary.
FLossY Out...
Q: What do you guys think would be the chances that Cincinnati + Houston (or some closer location) might result in an ACC cable network as the additions of Texas A/M and Missouri did for the SEC?
i.e. add 2 teams, but do NOT add them to the existing contract; instead, use the new inventory (est. 16 new football games per season) to launch a network. Could make sure that FSU, Clemson, VT and Miami all play AT the new teams in year one, so those games would be in the "pot"...
What I would give to see UC play for the Keg and RCR every year...
Man, its a real travesty that UC, UL, PITT, and WVU arent in the same conference. Just seems wrong.
As amazing as it would be to be in the ACC, I think we're just gonna have to live with (I know I know, beggars cant be choosers) the Big XII (as most all this recent smoke is indicating).
I would take Cincinnati as #15 in New York minute, but no no no to Connecticut. We should raid the Big 12 for West Virginia as @16. This would cause the Big 12 major problems.
Cincinnati and Temple could be intriguing adds to tip the scales toward the creation of the ACCN.
#1 - add a top-5 market in terms of TV homes (Philly=2.9 million)
#2 - add a bunch of football and basketball TV inventory - 12 games for football and 30 games or so for basketball.
In 2015, Temple showed that it can grab good TV ratings and fill the stadium against quality competition (Penn St. and Notre Dame).
Cincinnati has a quality football resume and brings a market 35% larger than Louisville.
#3 - keep the Big 12 out of ACC territory and solidify the ACC presence at the B1G border.
CHALLENGES include divisional structure, scheduling, and $$$.
- For DIVISIONS, you could simply add Cincy to the Coastal and Temple to the Atlantic:
COASTAL: FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Cincy, NC State, Wake, Syracuse, BC
ATLANTIC: Miami, Georgia Tech, UVA, Virginia Tech, Duke, UNC, Pitt, Temple
or take the opportunity to completely realign:
NORTH: BC, Syracuse, Temple, Pitt, UVA, Virginia Tech, Duke, UNC
SOUTH: FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, Cincy, NC State, Wake,
- For SCHEDULING, grow to 9 games to maintain 2 cross-division matchups. Keep Temple and Cincy out of the Notre Dame rotation (though they could still schedule OOC).
- As far as the $$$, Cincy and Temple will certainly be willing to take a smaller share as they phase-in to membership (and yet their AD budgets will grow as they fill their stadiums with better competition and the new ACC branding attracts donors). The ACC will add good markets to support the creation of the ACCN. Also, both bring good rivalry potential for both football and basketball.
Temple-Pitt, Temple-Syracuse, Cincy-Louisville. There is also potential for developing some good matchups (especially Cincinnati) with the likes of Clemson, Virginia Tech, NC State, Miami, etc.
And finally, as far as OLYMPIC sports, though neither Temple nor Cincinnati would come close to dominating or even adding irreplaceable value, neither school detracts from the ACC. Both will field competitive teams and add good inventory to the ACCN.
(02-17-2016 12:53 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]Cincinnati and Temple could be intriguing adds to tip the scales toward the creation of the ACCN.
#1 - add a top-5 market in terms of TV homes (Philly=2.9 million)
#2 - add a bunch of football and basketball TV inventory - 12 games for football and 30 games or so for basketball.
In 2015, Temple showed that it can grab good TV ratings and fill the stadium against quality competition (Penn St. and Notre Dame).
Cincinnati has a quality football resume and brings a market 35% larger than Louisville.
#3 - keep the Big 12 out of ACC territory and solidify the ACC presence at the B1G border.
CHALLENGES include divisional structure, scheduling, and $$$.
- For DIVISIONS, you could simply add Cincy to the Coastal and Temple to the Atlantic:
COASTAL: FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Cincy, NC State, Wake, Syracuse, BC
ATLANTIC: Miami, Georgia Tech, UVA, Virginia Tech, Duke, UNC, Pitt, Temple
or take the opportunity to completely realign:
NORTH: BC, Syracuse, Temple, Pitt, UVA, Virginia Tech, Duke, UNC
SOUTH: FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, Cincy, NC State, Wake,
- For SCHEDULING, grow to 9 games to maintain 2 cross-division matchups. Keep Temple and Cincy out of the Notre Dame rotation (though they could still schedule OOC).
- As far as the $$$, Cincy and Temple will certainly be willing to take a smaller share as they phase-in to membership (and yet their AD budgets will grow as they fill their stadiums with better competition and the new ACC branding attracts donors). The ACC will add good markets to support the creation of the ACCN. Also, both bring good rivalry potential for both football and basketball.
Temple-Pitt, Temple-Syracuse, Cincy-Louisville. There is also potential for developing some good matchups (especially Cincinnati) with the likes of Clemson, Virginia Tech, NC State, Miami, etc.
And finally, as far as OLYMPIC sports, though neither Temple nor Cincinnati would come close to dominating or even adding irreplaceable value, neither school detracts from the ACC. Both will field competitive teams and add good inventory to the ACCN.
I disagree with virtually everything in this post.
#1 Markets don't matter. I have yet to hear anybody put together a coherent argument to the contrary.
#2 The volume of inventory doesn't really matter. The quality of the average piece of inventory matters because that impacts per school payouts, which is what drives the bus.
#3 Who cares if the Big XII "gets in ACC territory?" What are they going to do? The same goes for "solidifying a border." What possible advantage does that give us?
#4 ALL the football schools would HATE a 9 game schedule that featured more Temple, and, on a personal level, I would hate hearing their fans constantly complain.
#5 The ACC typically doesn't do phase-ins. Well, let me rephrase, the ACC has yet to do a phase-in. This alone wouldn't block your plan, but the other 6 points pretty much would.
#6 Temple-Syracuse isn't a rivalry, neither is Temple-Pitt, Temple- Tech, or Temple-anybody else in the ACC.
#7 I doubt Temple has the #9 or better Olympic sports program in a 17 team ACC.
Just say no to Temple. They have to string together far more than one good year of football to even begin to get moved off the football deadweight list.
Because the Coastal teams would throw the bad recruiting area/bad program UConn into FSU/Clemson's division.