Having a discussion on the SunBelt board about recruiting and the question was asked.... How many of us do take them and what are your thoughts?
I look at it as a second chance for a kid to do something special.... The floor is yours..
I assume we do. We have for basketball in the past.
Just Marsha. The rest of us have standards. jk. I don't care since most NQ end up at juco and get picked up if they are good.
I think a school should be able to take them, but should suffer a scholarship penalty if they do. This goes for JuCo's who didn't qualify out of high school as well. For each NQ/JUCO you take, you lose a scholarship.
(02-08-2016 09:01 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ]I think a school should be able to take them, but should suffer a scholarship penalty if they do. This goes for JuCo's who didn't qualify out of high school as well. For each NQ/JUCO you take, you lose a scholarship.
Why?
(02-08-2016 09:01 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ]I think a school should be able to take them, but should suffer a scholarship penalty if they do. This goes for JuCo's who didn't qualify out of high school as well. For each NQ/JUCO you take, you lose a scholarship.
I would agree if the school was paying for them to attend...NQ's attend on their own dime and cannot practice or participate in team activities.
(02-08-2016 08:44 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: [ -> ]Having a discussion on the SunBelt board about recruiting and the question was asked.... How many of us do take them and what are your thoughts?
I look at it as a second chance for a kid to do something special.... The floor is yours..
I'm not sure how the discussion on the SBC board got to that point. Sun Belt rules prohibit the enrolling of Partial and non qualifiers. Schools can sign those players, but if they do not qualify, they must be cut loose to a JUCO.
USM doesn't. I didn't think the NCAA allowed partials. Somehow Marshall is able to do it.
(02-08-2016 09:18 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2016 09:01 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ]I think a school should be able to take them, but should suffer a scholarship penalty if they do. This goes for JuCo's who didn't qualify out of high school as well. For each NQ/JUCO you take, you lose a scholarship.
I would agree if the school was paying for them to attend...NQ's attend on their own dime and cannot practice or participate in team activities.
I understand that. But they typically go on scholarship once their first year at school is done and they join the team, correct?
I view the penalty as a way to incentivize taking the most qualified STUDENTS.
I'd also like to penalize schools for criminal convictions of their student athletes.
Are NQs kids that do not qualify through the clearinghouse requirements or these kids usually classified as blueshirts. I do know that blueshirts enroll part time but are NQs treated the same way?
Hope you guys don't mind me posting.
(02-08-2016 09:46 PM)rbostic218 Wrote: [ -> ]Are NQs kids that do not qualify through the clearinghouse requirements or these kids usually classified as blueshirts. I do know that blueshirts enroll part time but are NQs treated the same way?
Hope you guys don't mind me posting.
Blue Shirts are qualifiers. They are just kids who delay their enrollment until August, so they don't count until the following recruiting class. Those guys can play and participate on scholarship for the football team.
For the record, Grey Shirts are qualifiers as well. A Non Qualifier is an athlete who does not meet eligibility standards with the NCAA Clearinghouse and is not eligible to play football. Most schools and leagues prohibit them from being admitted, because its obvious they would not normally qualify for admission at most of these places.
Well a good question was asked indirectly...do NQ's count toward schollys in that year? Or when they actually join the team?
(02-08-2016 09:46 PM)rbostic218 Wrote: [ -> ]Are NQs kids that do not qualify through the clearinghouse requirements or these kids usually classified as blueshirts. I do know that blueshirts enroll part time but are NQs treated the same way?
Hope you guys don't mind me posting.
Don't mind at all bro..
Seems like we have a thread like this once or twice a year with some posters getting bent out of shape about how some school supposedly "gets away" with lower standards.Meanwhile the rest of us theoretically look down our nose at them or get envious.RERUN.
The way it works is you enroll on your dime and can't participate with team or coaches in any way. After your first year if your academics are in order you then join the team. You have 3 years of eligibility left, but if you are on track to graduate you can earn a 4th year of eligibility.
No as the count towards a scholarship. My understanding is that they do not count against the numbers until they actually make the grades and start practicing.
I don't see why people ***** about this. This is one advantage we have over the P5. They take all the talent and 1-2 guys every year don't have the grades for whatever reason. If they go to a prep school or JUCO they could still end up at a P5, but if we take them as a NQ they will most likely be with us for the long haul. The P5 have about 99 advantages and we have 1, I'll take it even if some of you are to good for it. We will keep winning and you can keep whining.
As pointed out before there are no partial qualifiers since like 2001 or 2002. You either meet all the qualifications or you don't. They don't count against your scholarship limit till they are on one, but I believe they do count against the number of kids you can sign in that given year. Otherwise you could sign 100 of them and take the best 5-6 that qualify and kick the rest to the curb.
I'm not too good for it. I just think that there should be sanctions for it.
The term "student-athlete" has been devalued so much over the years, and I'd like it to mean something again.
And yes, I know a lot of these NQ's come from very tough backgrounds. So do a lot of qualifiers, including ones at Rice.
(02-08-2016 09:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2016 09:46 PM)rbostic218 Wrote: [ -> ]Are NQs kids that do not qualify through the clearinghouse requirements or these kids usually classified as blueshirts. I do know that blueshirts enroll part time but are NQs treated the same way?
Hope you guys don't mind me posting.
Blue Shirts are qualifiers. They are just kids who delay their enrollment until August, so they don't count until the following recruiting class. Those guys can play and participate on scholarship for the football team.
For the record, Grey Shirts are qualifiers as well. A Non Qualifier is an athlete who does not meet eligibility standards with the NCAA Clearinghouse and is not eligible to play football. Most schools and leagues prohibit them from being admitted, because its obvious they would not normally qualify for admission at most of these places.
Our best newcomer this past year was a blue shirt.
(02-08-2016 09:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2016 09:46 PM)rbostic218 Wrote: [ -> ]Are NQs kids that do not qualify through the clearinghouse requirements or these kids usually classified as blueshirts. I do know that blueshirts enroll part time but are NQs treated the same way?
Hope you guys don't mind me posting.
Blue Shirts are qualifiers. They are just kids who delay their enrollment until August, so they don't count until the following recruiting class. Those guys can play and participate on scholarship for the football team.
For the record, Grey Shirts are qualifiers as well. A Non Qualifier is an athlete who does not meet eligibility standards with the NCAA Clearinghouse and is not eligible to play football. Most schools and leagues prohibit them from being admitted, because its obvious they would not normally qualify for admission at most of these places.
Our best newcomer this past year was a blue shirt.
(02-08-2016 11:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not too good for it. I just think that there should be sanctions for it.
The term "student-athlete" has been devalued so much over the years, and I'd like it to mean something again.
And yes, I know a lot of these NQ's come from very tough backgrounds. So do a lot of qualifiers, including ones at Rice.
Well if those problem (grades/test) kids gets a degree I think they are just as much a "student athlete" as any student at Rice.
Yes they pay their own way but for a lot of them the pell grant is doing the paying. And some will get extra help with scholarships for low income students. And I think most will get a tuition waver for being out of state students (counts as a lower in state student).
Any kid that can get into college ans works hard can overcome what ever their weakness was. I would much rather that kid get into school then get a degree and a decent job....
than what the average low income (most NQs comes from low income families) person does with their life without that college degree.