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Suicide Squad Trailer 1

looks better than batman v superman but thats not saying much

This looks riskier than Guardians of the Galaxy was for Marvel. But I will definitely be there opening weekend, as it has me intrigued. Batman v Superman is looking like a potential disaster for DC.

I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

Me too.

I think some people think they have to take sides between DC and Marvel.

Batman v. superman will open with at least $130 million and if it's good, it'll gross $400 million in the US.

This looks pretty good. Can't wait until it comes out

(01-20-2016 12:11 PM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

Me too.

I think some people think they have to take sides between DC and Marvel.

Batman v. superman will open with at least $130 million and if it's good, it'll gross $400 million in the US.

If batman V superman only makes 400 million domestic execs at warner brothers will slit their wrists

Looking forward to Suicide Squad.

Can't friggin' wait for Deadpool, though.

(01-20-2016 09:38 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2016 12:11 PM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

Me too.

I think some people think they have to take sides between DC and Marvel.

Batman v. superman will open with at least $130 million and if it's good, it'll gross $400 million in the US.

If batman V superman only makes 400 million domestic execs at warner brothers will slit their wrists

The Dark Knight made $530 million. Man of Steel did $290 million.

Anything over $300 million domestic will be okay.

The only comic book movies to do over $400 million domestic are the two avengers movies,spider-man, iron Man 3, the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight rises.

Comic Adaptations Domestic Gross

I think Warner wants the movie to be well-loved. Batman Begins grossed about the same amount as Superman Returns. Batman Begins led to the Dark Knight; Superman Returns had its sequel cancelled.

If B v. S does $275 million domestic and $600 million worldwide but it is loved and well-reviewed, it will position Justice League to be a $1 billion grosser as the excitement builds. Warner isn't just banking on ticket sales because they'll make hundreds of millions on merchandise and sponsorships. The top Halloween costumes for women this year will probably be the movie versions of Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn (with a slutty Rey up there too).

If B v. S is as good as the buzz has been saying, it will dominate the box office for six weeks. The same weekend last year had Home, Get Hard, and Insurgent made $107 million collectively. B v. s will have a couple leftover hits and My Big Fat Wedding 2 competing with it. I wouldn't be shocked if it did over $200 million in the first weekend. It'll probably be more like $150 million. Even with the 2nd season of Daredevil being released that weekend.

I think they are looking at below $400 million, unless it has really good reviews. Snyder isn't known for producing critically acclaimed movies. Seeing how this is already their "Avengers", I don't see how that would be deemed a happy outcome. The addition of culturally insignificant and largely unknown characters (played by unknown actors) will not give them a big boost for Justice League. That's why I say that this film is really their "Avengers 1".

As a comic fan, I really do hope it is a good movie. The choices of director, actors and current marketing materials lead me to believe it is going to be somewhat of a stinker.

(01-21-2016 08:44 AM)TigerNK Wrote: [ -> ]I think they are looking at below $400 million, unless it has really good reviews. Snyder isn't known for producing critically acclaimed movies. Seeing how this is already their "Avengers", I don't see how that would be deemed a happy outcome. The addition of culturally insignificant and largely unknown characters (played by unknown actors) will not give them a big boost for Justice League. That's why I say that this film is really their "Avengers 1".

As a comic fan, I really do hope it is a good movie. The choices of director, actors and current marketing materials lead me to believe it is going to be somewhat of a stinker.

Justice League is seen as their Avengers. This was actually the sequel to Man of Steel with Batman added in. Wonder Woman is probably in the movie a lot less than the trailers are implying, like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in Days of Future Past. No one expected Avengers to do as much as it did. Thor and Captain America didn't even gross over $200 million domestic the previous year. This movie is opening away from the prime summer and Christmas holiday spots. It was originally supposed to open in June of last year (then it was moved to the same day as Captain America 3 before it was known they are doing basically the same thing as Batman fighting Superman). So that probably will limit the ceiling to an extent.

300 was considered a masterpiece by audiences if not by critics. For it to be rated r and not have children in the audience, it was a huge hit. Watchmen was considered a good, faithful adaptation of the graphic novel. It wasn't a blockbuster, but the material was a fanboy's nirvana. You and I have had our discussions of Man of Steel. I love it and think it is the best Superman movie. You don't. Zach Snyder's comic films are all considered visually stunning but the criticism is they lack in soul. Kind of like the comments about the prequels without the accusation of piss-poor dialogue and horrible characters. I guess Zach Snyder is seen as an intelligent person's Michael Bay?

But how often has Snyder worked with an Oscar winning screenwriter and had the fortunes of a studio riding on his product? Man of Steel made money. It grossed $670 million worldwide. That's almost twice what Superman Returns did. MoS has as many people who love it passionately as hate it. It's not like Zach Snyder is Joel Schmaucher. I don't know why you expect the worst. Snyder's track record in comics movies is good. If you think about it, the only directors who have been more successful in the genre have been Wheldon, Nolan, Raimi, Singer, and maybe Favreau (technically Snyder has grossed more than JF and IM2 is widely considered a worse film than Snyder's three).

I'm wondering how Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, and Jesse Eisenberg are questionable.

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

the thing is, Marvel put in the foundation with all those movies before Avengers. DC is going straight to creating the Justice League with 2 movies. People aren't as invested because they haven't had the exposure to everyone yet. Marvel gave each major player enough room to give people a reason to care about them, then brought them together and DC hasn't done that. Outside of those of us that like comics, who cares about the Green Lantern Corps or Cyborg? I also feel that having different characters on TV and the movies will cause confusion. People will see Flash and wonder why he's not the character they love on TV.

(01-21-2016 09:57 AM)yakko Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

the thing is, Marvel put in the foundation with all those movies before Avengers. DC is going straight to creating the Justice League with 2 movies. People aren't as invested because they haven't had the exposure to everyone yet. Marvel gave each major player enough room to give people a reason to care about them, then brought them together and DC hasn't done that. Outside of those of us that like comics, who cares about the Green Lantern Corps or Cyborg? I also feel that having different characters on TV and the movies will cause confusion. People will see Flash and wonder why he's not the character they love on TV.

Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are better known across the board than any Marvel character except Spider-Man. The Flash, Aquaman, and Green Lantern are probably better known than Iron-Man and Thor when they got their movies.

If WB came out with the planned Justice League movie in 2009 (directed by George Miller), it would have been standalone and unrelated to the Nolan Batman series. They would have planned this before the emergence of the MCU. Remember the MCU exists because Marvel only had rights to their second tier character so they had to create excitement. DC had their brand names and a popular Justice League series that would bring in fans who didn't read comics. That's not to mention the old Super Friends show.

Who cares about the Guardians of the Galaxy. Make good movies in your brand, people will trust you when you take risks with characters people don't know. Cyborg might not be known, but the Green Lantern is. People knowing the character is the reason a movie that sucked grossed over $100 million (even though it flopped still) and a movie like Jonah Hex grossed $11 million.

Snyder is not an intelligent person's Michael Bay. He is Michael Bay with better source material. He is not a gifted storyteller. He is a snazzy commercial director with great source material and big budgets. He is good at what he does, it's just that what he does isn't enough to build and carry a quality movie.

Justice League may be the actual equivalent of the Avengers, but the movie universes couldn't be more different. Everything is on the line with Batman v Superman. If it bombs then the DC Universe is up sh*t creek. Marvel had to make quality solo movies to build towards the Avengers because the general public didn't know anything about Iron Man, Thor and Captain America. They built up good will and it turned into lightning in a bottle. DC has done the opposite.

Cavill is an OK actor but plays Superman/Kent with zero charisma or charm. Affleck is uninspired at best. Facebook boy looks like a terrible and annoying choice for Lex.

I'm not some Marvel fanboy at all. But I am a cinefile and don't think Snyder or Goyer are the right guys for the job when it comes to building this universe. They needed their own version of Whedon. Kevin Smith would have likely been a far better choice.

Cavill was playing a Clark Kent/Kal-El finding himself. Do you have similar criticisms of Brandon Routh in SR, NK?

Ben Affleck is uninspired? For all the jokes about Affleck, he has been on a winning streak since The Town. Gone Girl was a hit movie for him that he didn't direct. If anything, Affleck was a surprising choice that I think people are excited to see direct a Batman film.

Justice League actually is the thing "The Avengers" wants to be. As a movie franchise, yes The Avengers is a big deal because of the work Marvel put into building the brand. But you have to admit that if Justice League grossed more than Avengers in 2017, it wouldn't be a big surprise. Just because the Justice League was a well known brand before the DCCU, where as the Avengers weren't as well known before the MCU.

Geoff Johns actually might take that Kevin Feige role. WB Entertainment CEO Kevin Tsujihara also seems to understand the stakes. The smart move IMO would be to create a DC Comics production company that produces and makes the creative decisions on DC films. They put DC Comics label on movies, but I don't know what that really means. DC and Warner has done a great job with the animated movies and now with the TV series. It wouldn't be smart to bet against them. After Superman Returns, Green Lantern, and Jonah Hex, I'm sure they are doing what they have to do to put out good product that will profit and open the door for more profitable stories.

I'll bet against them because they don't have a commercially successful and critically acclaimed film not directed by Chris Nolan.

(01-21-2016 11:18 AM)TigerNK Wrote: [ -> ]I'll bet against them because they don't have a commercially successful and critically acclaimed film not directed by Chris Nolan.

Man of Steel was commercially successful. Batman, superman , and Superman 2 were all commercially successful and critically acclaimed. V for Vendetta was commercially successful and critically acclaimed. Constantine was commercially successful.

But other than Batman and Superman, DC movies are few and far between. And the Batman and Superman movies made money when they actually had money behind them and they weren't just middle fingers to the audience (Superman 4 and Batman and Robin). So batman movies make money and superman movies make money. This is a movie with Batman and Superman.

(01-21-2016 09:57 AM)yakko Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

the thing is, Marvel put in the foundation with all those movies before Avengers. DC is going straight to creating the Justice League with 2 movies. People aren't as invested because they haven't had the exposure to everyone yet. Marvel gave each major player enough room to give people a reason to care about them, then brought them together and DC hasn't done that. Outside of those of us that like comics, who cares about the Green Lantern Corps or Cyborg? I also feel that having different characters on TV and the movies will cause confusion. People will see Flash and wonder why he's not the character they love on TV.

I think, to a large extent, you are making my point.

I think there may be some hesitation by casual people about the premise. Most comic fans understand the tension between Batman and Superman and are ok with the "vs" aspect of it.

I think the movie may not open as well as some expect, but IF it gets good reviews and casual observers learn that the movie really isn't about batman and superman fighting but is just a way to introduce them into each other's worlds, it will pick up steam quickly.

(01-21-2016 12:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2016 09:57 AM)yakko Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

the thing is, Marvel put in the foundation with all those movies before Avengers. DC is going straight to creating the Justice League with 2 movies. People aren't as invested because they haven't had the exposure to everyone yet. Marvel gave each major player enough room to give people a reason to care about them, then brought them together and DC hasn't done that. Outside of those of us that like comics, who cares about the Green Lantern Corps or Cyborg? I also feel that having different characters on TV and the movies will cause confusion. People will see Flash and wonder why he's not the character they love on TV.

I think, to a large extent, you are making my point.

I think there may be some hesitation by casual people about the premise. Most comic fans understand the tension between Batman and Superman and are ok with the "vs" aspect of it.

I think the movie may not open as well as some expect, but IF it gets good reviews and casual observers learn that the movie really isn't about batman and superman fighting but is just a way to introduce them into each other's worlds, it will pick up steam quickly.

This is why they should have named the movie "World's Finest" or just "Man of Steel: Dawn of Justice."

(01-21-2016 12:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2016 12:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-21-2016 09:57 AM)yakko Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2016 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fired up for Batman/Superman, but that's just me.

Harder part is that most people don't understand the whole "vs." thing and some mainstream people might be turned off by the idea that the are in conflict with one another.

Sorta like "Civil War" but at least there have been enough (understatement) Cappy, Avengers, Iron Man movies so folks will want to see what the deal is.

the thing is, Marvel put in the foundation with all those movies before Avengers. DC is going straight to creating the Justice League with 2 movies. People aren't as invested because they haven't had the exposure to everyone yet. Marvel gave each major player enough room to give people a reason to care about them, then brought them together and DC hasn't done that. Outside of those of us that like comics, who cares about the Green Lantern Corps or Cyborg? I also feel that having different characters on TV and the movies will cause confusion. People will see Flash and wonder why he's not the character they love on TV.

I think, to a large extent, you are making my point.

I think there may be some hesitation by casual people about the premise. Most comic fans understand the tension between Batman and Superman and are ok with the "vs" aspect of it.

I think the movie may not open as well as some expect, but IF it gets good reviews and casual observers learn that the movie really isn't about batman and superman fighting but is just a way to introduce them into each other's worlds, it will pick up steam quickly.

This is why they should have named the movie "World's Finest" or just "Man of Steel: Dawn of Justice."

I like it.

I think of selling candy bars with the other title.