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Besides academics, what does wake bring to the table? Would the ACC ever think of replacing them, if so, for who? Not trying to hate I'm just trying to see what they really bring that maybe I'm unaware of.

(01-16-2016 11:32 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]Besides academics, what does wake bring to the table? Would the ACC ever think of replacing them, if so, for who? Not trying to hate I'm just trying to see what they really bring that maybe I'm unaware of.

I don't think any school would get kicked out of a conference unless they were in substantial violation of conference bylaws or something like that.

How many schools have ever been "kicked out" of a conference? If a school was ever arbitrarily kicked out, I would imagine the ensuing lawsuit would be enormous, given the economic damages incurred to the school being kicked out.

WF is an outstanding academic school that has been part of the ACC since its inception. It also has had success in the past. Collegiate conferences - even the SEC - place high value on the academic reputation of their conference.

IMO, people should not confuse collegiate athletics. - even "big time" collegiate athletics - with something like the NFL.

No.

(01-16-2016 11:57 AM)Eagle78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2016 11:32 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]Besides academics, what does wake bring to the table? Would the ACC ever think of replacing them, if so, for who? Not trying to hate I'm just trying to see what they really bring that maybe I'm unaware of.

I don't think any school would get kicked out of a conference unless they were in substantial violation of conference bylaws or something like that.

How many schools have ever been "kicked out" of a conference? If a school was ever arbitrarily kicked out, I would imagine the ensuing lawsuit would be enormous, given the economic damages incurred to the school being kicked out.

WF is an outstanding academic school that has been part of the ACC since its inception. Collegiate conferences - even the SEC - place high value on the academic reputation of their conference.

IMO, people should not confuse collegiate athletics. - even "big time" collegiate athletics - with something like the NFL.

You still didn't answer the question. Besides academics what do they bring? A large endowment is about all I can think of. Once again I'm not saying they should get the boot I just haven't seen them really bring much to the table. Other conferences bring in schools like Vanderbilt to boost the academic perception of the confernce. I think everyone can agree that while it's nice that Wake's academics are great the ACC isn't relying on them to carry the rest of the conference.

I guess our question is -- "What are you getting at...? You want Wake Forest removed because you perceive they bring nothing to the athletic table...?"

(01-16-2016 12:08 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: [ -> ]I guess our question is -- "What are you getting at...? You want Wake Forest removed because you perceive they bring nothing to the athletic table...?"

I would like the conference, as a whole, to put more pressure on them to invest a little more in sports. I like Wake as I have friends and family that went there, but I feel that the ACC isn't getting a return on its investment with them.

In "sports" or in "football"?

They're carrying their weight this year in Men's Basketball.

(01-16-2016 12:12 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: [ -> ]In "sports" or in "football"?

They're carrying their weight this year in Men's Basketball.

Sports, and if you think 12th is carrying their weight. They aren't bad but far from good.

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2016 11:57 AM)Eagle78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2016 11:32 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]Besides academics, what does wake bring to the table? Would the ACC ever think of replacing them, if so, for who? Not trying to hate I'm just trying to see what they really bring that maybe I'm unaware of.

I don't think any school would get kicked out of a conference unless they were in substantial violation of conference bylaws or something like that.

How many schools have ever been "kicked out" of a conference? If a school was ever arbitrarily kicked out, I would imagine the ensuing lawsuit would be enormous, given the economic damages incurred to the school being kicked out.

WF is an outstanding academic school that has been part of the ACC since its inception. Collegiate conferences - even the SEC - place high value on the academic reputation of their conference.

IMO, people should not confuse collegiate athletics. - even "big time" collegiate athletics - with something like the NFL.

You still didn't answer the question. Besides academics what do they bring? A large endowment is about all I can think of. Once again I'm not saying they should get the boot I just haven't seen them really bring much to the table. Other conferences bring in schools like Vanderbilt to boost the academic perception of the confernce. I think everyone can agree that while it's nice that Wake's academics are great the ACC isn't relying on them to carry the rest of the conference.

Sure, let's kick out WFU and replace them with Penn State! While we're at it, let's kick out BC, Pitt and Miami and replace them with Ohio State, Alabama and Texas. What do BC, Pitt and Miami bring to the conference? BC is weak in both football and basketball. Pitt is mediocre in both football and basketball and has a limited upside in both. Miami used to be strong in football. People always think Miami will get stronger in football with the right coach but that never seems to work out. Miami is doing well in basketball now but has only limited community support. For that matter, Miami's football support is pathetic. Let me make it clear that I'm being sarcastic here. The ACC's composition isn't going to change for at least 10 years. I don't think there's even a mechanism for dropping a member and there's nobody who wants to join who's worth adding. Watch a game. It's more fun than silly speculation.

(01-16-2016 12:19 PM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2016 11:57 AM)Eagle78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2016 11:32 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]Besides academics, what does wake bring to the table? Would the ACC ever think of replacing them, if so, for who? Not trying to hate I'm just trying to see what they really bring that maybe I'm unaware of.

I don't think any school would get kicked out of a conference unless they were in substantial violation of conference bylaws or something like that.

How many schools have ever been "kicked out" of a conference? If a school was ever arbitrarily kicked out, I would imagine the ensuing lawsuit would be enormous, given the economic damages incurred to the school being kicked out.

WF is an outstanding academic school that has been part of the ACC since its inception. Collegiate conferences - even the SEC - place high value on the academic reputation of their conference.

IMO, people should not confuse collegiate athletics. - even "big time" collegiate athletics - with something like the NFL.

You still didn't answer the question. Besides academics what do they bring? A large endowment is about all I can think of. Once again I'm not saying they should get the boot I just haven't seen them really bring much to the table. Other conferences bring in schools like Vanderbilt to boost the academic perception of the confernce. I think everyone can agree that while it's nice that Wake's academics are great the ACC isn't relying on them to carry the rest of the conference.

Sure, let's kick out WFU and replace them with Penn State! While we're at it, let's kick out BC, Pitt and Miami and replace them with Ohio State, Alabama and Texas. What do BC, Pitt and Miami bring to the conference? BC is weak in both football and basketball. Pitt is mediocre in both football and basketball and has a limited upside in both. Miami used to be strong in football. People always think Miami will get stronger in football with the right coach but that never seems to work out. Miami is doing well in basketball now but has only limited community support. For that matter, Miami's football support is pathetic. Let me make it clear that I'm being sarcastic here. The ACC's composition isn't going to change for at least 10 years. I don't think there's even a mechanism for dropping a member and there's nobody who wants to join who's worth adding. Watch a game. It's more fun than silly speculation.

Well I'll answer one thing about Pitt, BC, and Miami. You say what do they bring but it is obvious that they bring huge viewer markets. I really think it isn't that difficult to understand.

So the conclusion is the OP wants the ACC to kick out one of its original members because he's not happy with Wake's athletic profile.

Sound about right..?

(01-16-2016 12:29 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: [ -> ]So the conclusion is the OP wants the ACC to kick out one of its original members because he's not happy with Wake's athletic profile.

Sound about right..?

I would say tell them they need to work on it because they really have little benefit to the conference but the benefit from the conference is substantial for them.

A team like Wake (not saying them necessarily) plays 2 important roles in any conference: (1) be an NCAA tournament team in basketball, and (2) lose football games so that other conference teams can pad their wins.

The SEC has Vanderbilt
The Big Ten has Indiana
The Big XII has Kansas
The Pac-12 seems to take turns

I have no problem with Wake

(01-16-2016 11:57 AM)Eagle78 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think any school would get kicked out of a conference unless they were in substantial violation of conference bylaws or something like that.

Temple would like a word with you.

(01-16-2016 02:27 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2016 11:57 AM)Eagle78 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think any school would get kicked out of a conference unless they were in substantial violation of conference bylaws or something like that.

Temple would like a word with you.

True...but that was a unique situation. At the time, TU was only a partial (FB only) member of the OBE. If I recall correctly, there were also questions as to whether or not TU was taking the steps agreed to for its FB product. A situation completely different than the scenario hypothesized by the OP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/03/sports...-east.html