Listening to some of the postgame on the local 101.3 radio Fleck said that down the stretch the players took over the game... that the coaches didn't even really step in there because the players were taking huge leadership roles and taking over the adjustments themselves between plays and between series...
That is HUGE.... thats one of the best things I have heard out of this program to date... that this team has gotten so tight that the coaches are just there to guide... and the players are taking major ownership and know what adjustments are going to need to be made... HUGE!
Fleck may irritate some with his cocky, exuberant behavior... but damn if he isn't getting it done... The announcers seem to love him... his players ABSOLUTELY LOVE HIM (which in my book is all that really matters)... and much of the alumni love what they see coming out of the program... Great season to be a bronco!!!!
GO BRONCOS!!!! Thank you so much Coach Fleck and Team for a great early Christmas present this year!!!!!!
(12-24-2015 08:32 PM)backinkazoo Wrote: [ -> ]He basically said his players took over in both the Toledo game and the win today. Gave them all of the credit. Good to see this....
The irony is that you're surprised he gave "others" the credit.
Granted, it's a step in the right direction, but shouldn't that simply be standard operating procedure.
Yes it should. But a step in the right direction, and act of class and maturity, etc is just that - and I'll take it. I don't think the guy is Jesus - I'm just rooting for him to become a better coach each week.
I thought he (and staff) really struggled against BG and NIU - but I'm glad to see a better managed game / preparedness for the last 2.
Actually, Fleck almost always gives his players credit. Phrases like "they left it all out in the field, they gave it their all, etc." are commonplace for Fleck.
Also, he assumes blame for losses saying things such as "I take responsibility. The players works hard. Next time I have to put them in a position to win. We will learn from this game."
It seems that some people misinterpret "enthusiasm" for self promotion. P.J. has certainly pointed the boat in the right direction and has stocked it with plenty of quality oars to achieve a winning program throughout the years.
Quote:Yes it should. But a step in the right direction, and act of class and maturity, etc is just that - and I'll take it. I don't think the guy is Jesus - I'm just rooting for him to become a better coach each week.
No, he's not Jesus. Close, though. He can't walk on water, but he can walk on glass and coals! Did Jesus do that? And win a bowl? Jesus still wins, but it's a close match!
In all seriousness, you're right about being a better coach week to week, just like the team to be a better team week to week.
Quote:Actually, Fleck almost always gives his players credit. Phrases like "they left it all out in the field, they gave it their all, etc." are commonplace for Fleck.
Very true. It's not a surprise. At. All. There's been Zero shortage of giving his players credit and it's Them, etc.
Quote:Also, he assumes blame for losses saying things such as "I take responsibility. The players works hard. Next time I have to put them in a position to win. We will learn from this game."
Totally true, right on. He even says most coaches would get fired after going 1-11 as they should, and he's been Thankful for the Opportunity to continue on.
Quote:It seems that some people misinterpret "enthusiasm" for self promotion.
I agree. I think it's his Brand of enthusiasm, a very different personality Type shown to the media, fans, etc., that turned a small % of people off early, and would have still turned a small % of people off to some degree even if we went 6-6 the first adjust year. But to be fair, I think the drama situation of last year, which some folks have good reason to be angry about, is a reason for a big bias and inaccurate bashing about unrelated things -- so that should be put in perspective (but it's been laid on much too thick and caused drama Here as an after effect unfortunately).
The whole Fleck not giving his players credit and wanting the spotlight on himself is propaganda brought on by the lawsuit crew.....bitter and they need to move on....that's enough.
(12-25-2015 09:52 PM)Windycitybronco Wrote: [ -> ]The whole Fleck not giving his players credit and wanting the spotlight on himself is propaganda brought on by the lawsuit crew.....bitter and they need to move on....that's enough.
You're just one more lapdog fool who knows nothing of what you speak. You don't have any idea who or how many were effected, but it's far more than you'll ever know. You have zero insight into the final outcome, but I assure you, many of you would be disappointed. You have zero insight into how people's lives were effected by this ******** indiscretions. You have no insight into how many people were dragged into this who HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. You have no idea how many people lied, ignored, and turned the other cheek to protect WMU because one person cared more about his own selfish needs than his employers, co-workers, alums, or his family's.
You're one more clueless idiot who would sell his soul to see an insignificant mid major football program win 7 games.
(12-25-2015 09:52 PM)Windycitybronco Wrote: [ -> ]The whole Fleck not giving his players credit and wanting the spotlight on himself is propaganda brought on by the lawsuit crew.....bitter and they need to move on....that's enough.
You're just one more lapdog fool who knows nothing of what you speak. You don't have any idea who or how many were effected, but it's far more than you'll ever know. You have zero insight into the final outcome, but I assure you, many of you would be disappointed. You have zero insight into how people's lives were effected by this ******** indiscretions. You have no insight into how many people were dragged into this who HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. You have no idea how many people lied, ignored, and turned the other cheek to protect WMU because one person cared more about his own selfish needs than his employers, co-workers, alums, or his family's.
You're one more clueless idiot who would sell his soul to see an insignificant mid major football program win 7 games.
I understand your frustration but I really don't think you're going to convince people, especially if they don't know/care about Flecks personal problems or the allegations, that they're selling their soul by rooting for WMU to win football games.
(12-25-2015 09:52 PM)Windycitybronco Wrote: [ -> ]The whole Fleck not giving his players credit and wanting the spotlight on himself is propaganda brought on by the lawsuit crew.....bitter and they need to move on....that's enough.
You're just one more lapdog fool who knows nothing of what you speak. You don't have any idea who or how many were effected, but it's far more than you'll ever know. You have zero insight into the final outcome, but I assure you, many of you would be disappointed. You have zero insight into how people's lives were effected by this ******** indiscretions. You have no insight into how many people were dragged into this who HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. You have no idea how many people lied, ignored, and turned the other cheek to protect WMU because one person cared more about his own selfish needs than his employers, co-workers, alums, or his family's.
You're one more clueless idiot who would sell his soul to see an insignificant mid major football program win 7 games.
Here is how Ive got it figured: if something really egregious happened with the number of people that you imply it will come out soon enough. Given the huge growth in means of communications such as social media, blogs and what not, it is impossible for nearly any conspiracy to stay hidden very long.
With respect to "selling one's soul" that can only happen if one understands the terms of the agreement. Since I don't understand the terms of the agreement
( the vague and unreported secretive and alleged transgressions) I cannot therefore "sell my soul" given my lack of knowledge about alleged transgressions.
It's simple John, we all had dirt on various administrators at work, but we wanted to keep our jobs and fly under the radar, and then of course their are the mutual legal agreements. It's always about hanging on to your wallet
It's simple John, we all had dirt on various administrators at work, but we wanted to keep our jobs and fly under the radar, and then of course their are the mutual legal agreements. It's always about hanging on to your wallet
Here is the thing, you are using dramatic and inflammatory verbiage by accusing people of "selling their souls" by supporting the coach. Since most of us, including me, don't possess your "insider info" on alleged transgressions, as far as we know our coach, like prior WMU coaches, is as pure as driven snow.
Until I have concrete and verifiable evidence to the contrary, I'm supporting our coach and our university with a clean conscious. As noted earlier, one can't "sell one's soul" unless they're privy to all of the terms of the contract, and I'm not privy to the terms of the contract, as you claim to be, nor are most of whom you make this ugly accusation.
Unless you want to spill you guts about what you claim to know, I'd go a little gentle on you fellow naive and uniformed WMU fans with the harsh rhetoric.
(12-26-2015 01:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: [ -> ]Be happy you don't possess it. You'd be like the dozen plus who once were zealous WMU supporters and now could care less.
Since you couldn't care less, why do you continue to post on this site? You're even starting new threads.
I care about hoops. As for football, I have no skin in the game. Win, lose, doesn't matter. Has nothing to do with the team or the players. The coach is a creep. When he goes I might give a $hit. And yes, I'm going out of my way to not give props to him. Put me on ignore if that pains you.
(12-26-2015 06:22 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: [ -> ]I care about hoops. As for football, I have no skin in the game. Win, lose, doesn't matter. Has nothing to do with the team or the players. The coach is a creep. When he goes I might give a $hit. And yes, I'm going out of my way to not give props to him. Put me on ignore if that pains you.
Pains me? You're giving yourself way too much credit
Or if it's not a problem then keep responding. Makes no difference to me. There's nothing vague about my position. I know the coach is a puke of a human being. You want details as to why. That's never going to happen, and you know why. You're also smart enough to connect the dots as to why I and several others despise him. So stop with attempts at extracting it from me. It will never happen.
(12-26-2015 07:42 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: [ -> ]Or if it's not a problem then keep responding. Makes no difference to me. There's nothing vague about my position. I know the coach is a puke of a human being. You want details as to why. That's never going to happen, and you know why. You're also smart enough to connect the dots as to why I and several others despise him. So stop with attempts at extracting it from me. It will never happen.
You're reading way too much between the lines. I have no interest in second hand information from you or anyone, which I liken to gossip. And honestly, life is too short to be bitter or to invest any energy in gossip. Whatever others do is none of my business.
I'm simply here to support the Broncos, nothing else. Which begs the question, why are you here? You claim to care about WMU basketball, not football, yet you keep posting on the football board, puzzling.
Regardless, let me wish you and your family Happy New Year!
