Objective look at the results of the "Top 4" teams in each conference in the last three years. (I also posted this for reference on the AAC board)...
*Houston 8-5, 8-5, 12-1 = 28-11 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
Cincinnati 9-4, 9-4, 7-6 = 25-14 (1 Co-Championship, 3 “P-5” Wins)
*Memphis 3-9, 10-3, 9-3 = 22-15 (1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 2 “P-5” Wins)
UCF 12-1, 9-4, 0-12 = 21-17 (1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
3 Year Results = 3 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 12 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in the American – Navy, Temple
(*2015 bowl game results still TBD)
Conclusion: American “Top 4” teams perform very well against perceived “P-5” Opponents, and have reached a higher pinnacle in the last three years than anyone in C-USA (UCF in 2013 of note, possibility with Houston this year). However, in general, American “Top 4” teams have performed very pedestrian in bowl games.
Marshall 10-4, 13-1, 10-3 = 33-8 (1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 3 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)
WKU(**8-4 in Sun-Belt), 8-5, 12-2 = 20-7 Since Joining C-USA (28-11 overall) (1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)
Rice 10-4, 8-5, 5-7 = 23-16 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 1 “P-5” Win)
Louisiana Tech 4-8, 9-5, 9-4 = 22-17 (2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
3 Year Results = 8 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 25 Finish, 6 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in Conference USA – Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee
Conclusion: Although have not have had the volume of opportunity to play against the perceived “ P-5”, C-USA “Top 4” teams have all faired very well in the bowl games. Our best teams (Marshall, WKU) did not get to showcase our best against the “P-5” in bowl season, but could, no doubt, hang with anyone in the American.
Bottom Line: I give the American the edge simply because they have more “statement” wins and have achieved a higher profile with its best teams, while CUSA has really dropped the ball in positioning our best when it comes to our bowl opportunities, thus we will never truly know how our best line up with the American. However, I tend to also believe CUSA is, in reality, not any less talented than any American squad. The American has, however, been able to more successfully leverage their best teams more effectively.
Good lord another ACK thread, we're obsessed.
Objectivity: CUSA is 10-4 against the AAC in the last 14 games
Agree, time to put this subject to rest..... until Marshall beats UConn!
(12-23-2015 12:34 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: [ -> ]Good lord another ACK thread, we're obsessed.
Not really, I just wanted to honestly lay out all the facts. And thanks to the other poster who noted our 10-4 record against.
And none of the info I wanted to lay out is trying to be misleading/smack. It's just the facts.
WKU should finish in the Top 25 this year, right?
Enough with the AAC talk.
(12-23-2015 12:57 PM)T_Won1 Wrote: [ -> ]WKU should finish in the Top 25 this year, right?
Yes, and there's still an outside slight chance that WKU can finish not only in the final AP top 25, but finish as the top "G5" team as well. That's only if both Navy and Houston lose their bowls.
But there's still equally a chance Houston could be the AAC's second top 10 finisher in three years...and if Navy and Memphis also win, three top 25 finishers. So a lot left on the line.
(12-23-2015 12:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]Objectivity: CUSA is 10-4 against the AAC in the last 14 games
Does Temple beating Charlotte even really count?
I hope all can be respectful in this thread...no smack intended on my part.
Do you all honestly think that SEC/B1G/ACC fans don't compare their success to be able to say one is better than the other? It's just a part of how the world works. We are competitive.
(12-23-2015 01:29 PM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ]Do you all honestly think that SEC/B1G/ACC fans don't compare their success to be able to say one is better than the other? It's just a part of how the world works. We are competitive.
Three different threads about one conference in a day, two about the same game?
No, no I don't.
(12-23-2015 01:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2015 01:29 PM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ]Do you all honestly think that SEC/B1G/ACC fans don't compare their success to be able to say one is better than the other? It's just a part of how the world works. We are competitive.
Three different threads about one conference in a day, two about the same game?
No, no I don't.
I respect that. I do get to hang around on the boards much, much more than I do get the opportunity to post. So I get that, and I see it too. I also apologize if it looks like this is adding to the clutter.
But I feel it's important to parce out what facts we do have here, and that was my goal.
Look at it like this. The reality is we compete against these teams for resources, and perception is everything. My point is they are winning the perception battle, while we are proving to win our battles on the field. We do have a ways to go as a conference.
I think if you look at these numbers it only serves to prove how drastically important games against the perceived cartel are...not so much our measuring stick against those like us in the "G5" realm.
(12-23-2015 02:05 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2015 01:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2015 01:29 PM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ]Do you all honestly think that SEC/B1G/ACC fans don't compare their success to be able to say one is better than the other? It's just a part of how the world works. We are competitive.
Three different threads about one conference in a day, two about the same game?
No, no I don't.
I respect that. I do get to hang around on the boards much, much more than I do get the opportunity to post. So I get that, and I see it too. I also apologize if it looks like this is adding to the clutter.
But I feel it's important to parce out what facts we do have here, and that was my goal.
Look at it like this. The reality is we compete against these teams for resources, and perception is everything. My point is they are winning the perception battle, while we are proving to win our battles on the field. We do have a ways to go as a conference.
I think if you look at these numbers it only serves to prove how drastically important games against the perceived cartel are...not so much our measuring stick against those like us in the "G5" realm.
Who are you trying to convince? I'd say the AAC fans are the only ones in the dark and threads like this on our board aren't going to do anything to change their minds.
(12-23-2015 12:33 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]Objective look at the results of the "Top 4" teams in each conference in the last three years. (I also posted this for reference on the AAC board)...
*Houston 8-5, 8-5, 12-1 = 28-11 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
*Cincinnati 9-4, 9-4, 7-5 = 25-13 (1 Co-Championship, 3 “P-5” Wins)
*Memphis 3-9, 10-3, 9-3 = 22-15 (1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 2 “P-5” Wins)
UCF 12-1, 9-4, 0-12 = 21-17 (1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
3 Year Results = 3 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 12 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in the American – Navy, Temple
(*2015 bowl game results still TBD)
Conclusion: American “Top 4” teams perform very well against perceived “P-5” Opponents, and have reached a higher pinnacle in the last three years than anyone in C-USA (UCF in 2013 of note, possibility with Houston this year). However, in general, American “Top 4” teams have performed very pedestrian in bowl games.
*Marshall 10-4, 13-1, 9-3 = 32-8 (1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)
WKU(**8-4 in Sun-Belt), 8-5, 12-2 = 20-7 Since Joining C-USA (28-11 overall) (1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
Rice 10-4, 8-5, 5-7 = 23-16 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 1 “P-5” Win)
Louisiana Tech 4-8, 9-5, 9-4 = 22-17 (2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
3 Year Results = 7 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 25 Finish, 5 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in Conference USA – Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee
(*2015 bowl game result still TBD)
Conclusion: Although have not have had the volume of opportunity to play against the perceived “ P-5”, C-USA “Top 4” teams have all faired very well in the bowl games. Our best teams (Marshall, WKU) did not get to showcase our best against the “P-5” in bowl season, but could, no doubt, hang with anyone in the American.
Bottom Line: I give the American the edge simply because they have more “statement” wins and have achieved a higher profile with its best teams, while CUSA has really dropped the ball in positioning our best when it comes to our bowl opportunities, thus we will never truly know how our best line up with the American. However, I tend to also believe CUSA is, in reality, not any less talented than any American squad. The American has, however, been able to more successfully leverage their best teams more effectively.
Link??? Just kidding.....
(12-23-2015 02:09 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2015 02:05 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2015 01:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2015 01:29 PM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ]Do you all honestly think that SEC/B1G/ACC fans don't compare their success to be able to say one is better than the other? It's just a part of how the world works. We are competitive.
Three different threads about one conference in a day, two about the same game?
No, no I don't.
I respect that. I do get to hang around on the boards much, much more than I do get the opportunity to post. So I get that, and I see it too. I also apologize if it looks like this is adding to the clutter.
But I feel it's important to parce out what facts we do have here, and that was my goal.
Look at it like this. The reality is we compete against these teams for resources, and perception is everything. My point is they are winning the perception battle, while we are proving to win our battles on the field. We do have a ways to go as a conference.
I think if you look at these numbers it only serves to prove how drastically important games against the perceived cartel are...not so much our measuring stick against those like us in the "G5" realm.
Who are you trying to convince? I'd say the AAC fans are the only ones in the dark and threads like this on our board aren't going to do anything to change their minds.
BTW, you coudn't be more correct. I also posted these exact results on the AAC board. Not one single reply to the numbers. There were, however, these gems after my post...
Things have changed in college football the Sun Belt is not a bad league anymore
and...
For those who are unaware; Bellow is best how to describe conferences.
P5
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AAC
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G4
I seriously don't get it, the outright delusion. I'll stick to our CUSA brethren from now on.
(12-23-2015 12:33 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]Objective look at the results of the "Top 4" teams in each conference in the last three years. (I also posted this for reference on the AAC board)...
*Houston 8-5, 8-5, 12-1 = 28-11 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
*Cincinnati 9-4, 9-4, 7-5 = 25-13 (1 Co-Championship, 3 “P-5” Wins)
*Memphis 3-9, 10-3, 9-3 = 22-15 (1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 2 “P-5” Wins)
UCF 12-1, 9-4, 0-12 = 21-17 (1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
3 Year Results = 3 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 12 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in the American – Navy, Temple
(*2015 bowl game results still TBD)
Conclusion: American “Top 4” teams perform very well against perceived “P-5” Opponents, and have reached a higher pinnacle in the last three years than anyone in C-USA (UCF in 2013 of note, possibility with Houston this year). However, in general, American “Top 4” teams have performed very pedestrian in bowl games.
*Marshall 10-4, 13-1, 9-3 = 32-8 (1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)
WKU(**8-4 in Sun-Belt), 8-5, 12-2 = 20-7 Since Joining C-USA (28-11 overall) (1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
Rice 10-4, 8-5, 5-7 = 23-16 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 1 “P-5” Win)
Louisiana Tech 4-8, 9-5, 9-4 = 22-17 (2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
3 Year Results = 7 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 25 Finish, 5 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in Conference USA – Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee
(*2015 bowl game result still TBD)
Conclusion: Although have not have had the volume of opportunity to play against the perceived “ P-5”, C-USA “Top 4” teams have all faired very well in the bowl games. Our best teams (Marshall, WKU) did not get to showcase our best against the “P-5” in bowl season, but could, no doubt, hang with anyone in the American.
Bottom Line: I give the American the edge simply because they have more “statement” wins and have achieved a higher profile with its best teams, while CUSA has really dropped the ball in positioning our best when it comes to our bowl opportunities, thus we will never truly know how our best line up with the American. However, I tend to also believe CUSA is, in reality, not any less talented than any American squad. The American has, however, been able to more successfully leverage their best teams more effectively.
The biggest test for CUSA will be the new TV deal. If money and exposure are less than what they are now,then we know how the court of public opinion views the two leagues.
We shall see.
The G4 thing is just the trolling of AAC fans. We could start saying CUSA and the G4 and, like them saying it, it would mean nothing, but get under their skin.
Once again, games on the playing field are the bottom line for who is better. Basketball... No doubt AAC, Football, C-USA with a 10-4 lead
(12-23-2015 03:09 PM)baruna falls Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2015 12:33 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]Objective look at the results of the "Top 4" teams in each conference in the last three years. (I also posted this for reference on the AAC board)...
*Houston 8-5, 8-5, 12-1 = 28-11 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
*Cincinnati 9-4, 9-4, 7-5 = 25-13 (1 Co-Championship, 3 “P-5” Wins)
*Memphis 3-9, 10-3, 9-3 = 22-15 (1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 2 “P-5” Wins)
UCF 12-1, 9-4, 0-12 = 21-17 (1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
3 Year Results = 3 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 12 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in the American – Navy, Temple
(*2015 bowl game results still TBD)
Conclusion: American “Top 4” teams perform very well against perceived “P-5” Opponents, and have reached a higher pinnacle in the last three years than anyone in C-USA (UCF in 2013 of note, possibility with Houston this year). However, in general, American “Top 4” teams have performed very pedestrian in bowl games.
*Marshall 10-4, 13-1, 9-3 = 32-8 (1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)
WKU(**8-4 in Sun-Belt), 8-5, 12-2 = 20-7 Since Joining C-USA (28-11 overall) (1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
Rice 10-4, 8-5, 5-7 = 23-16 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 1 “P-5” Win)
Louisiana Tech 4-8, 9-5, 9-4 = 22-17 (2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
3 Year Results = 7 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 25 Finish, 5 Wins against “P-5” Teams
Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in Conference USA – Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee
(*2015 bowl game result still TBD)
Conclusion: Although have not have had the volume of opportunity to play against the perceived “ P-5”, C-USA “Top 4” teams have all faired very well in the bowl games. Our best teams (Marshall, WKU) did not get to showcase our best against the “P-5” in bowl season, but could, no doubt, hang with anyone in the American.
Bottom Line: I give the American the edge simply because they have more “statement” wins and have achieved a higher profile with its best teams, while CUSA has really dropped the ball in positioning our best when it comes to our bowl opportunities, thus we will never truly know how our best line up with the American. However, I tend to also believe CUSA is, in reality, not any less talented than any American squad. The American has, however, been able to more successfully leverage their best teams more effectively.
The biggest test for CUSA will be the new TV deal. If money and exposure are less than what they are now,then we know h I would the court of publicensed opinion views the two leagues.
We shall see.
I think in the long run with the espn troubles brewing several leagues will take a hit money wise. Im glad right now we are with fox and not sunk in with espin