12-21-2015, 09:36 PM
12-21-2015, 09:38 PM
The Mountain West champ is playing the 6th place AAC team in Hawai'i. At least we got 4th best?
12-21-2015, 09:57 PM
It's a shame the conference doesn't have the Liberty Bowl tie in these days.
12-21-2015, 09:58 PM
This is another downside to having too many bowls. Some 5-7 Teams need to fill slots and some Conference Champions get non-marque match-ups. If you are in the G5 and you don't get the Access Bowl, You'll be playing a mid-tier American Team. That's what College FB taught me this year.
12-21-2015, 10:01 PM
As long as we continue to improve as a conference the better games will come.
12-21-2015, 10:04 PM
At least match the other four G5 champions against each other.
12-21-2015, 10:04 PM
AAC co-champs last year played in the St. Pete and Miami bowl.
Only the highest ranking G5 is getting a decent bowl. Everyone else is stuck to playing an early bowl game.
Only the highest ranking G5 is getting a decent bowl. Everyone else is stuck to playing an early bowl game.
12-21-2015, 10:21 PM
(12-21-2015 09:57 PM)banker Wrote: [ -> ]It's a shame the conference doesn't have the Liberty Bowl tie in these days.
I totally agree... a more established bowl with a prime time slot and date, in addition to a 1 to 2 million payout, would be a really nice reward for the conference champion. I know they have existing tie is, but a few that might work geographically:
Independence Bowl
Tax Slayer Bowl (Formally the Gator Bowl)
Music City Bowl
Belk Bowl
or really ramp up one of the existing Florida bowl tie ins Boca, Miami, St. Pete with a better TV slot and a P-5 opponent for revenue and ratings.
12-21-2015, 10:25 PM
Weren't four other AAC teams ranked higher than USF? USA today I thought called them the AAC's fifth rank team when it was announced.
I mean the AAC has 3 teams in the top 25 and Memphis appearing in all polls receiving votes, then USF getting votes in one. The champ played the 5th of 12 teams. That's a no win situation for a conference champ. Lose and it's a disaster, a close win could move the needle either way, win big and people say its just a middle of the pack team from another conference. The MW has it even worse with the AAC's 6th place Cincy against their champ.
I mean the AAC has 3 teams in the top 25 and Memphis appearing in all polls receiving votes, then USF getting votes in one. The champ played the 5th of 12 teams. That's a no win situation for a conference champ. Lose and it's a disaster, a close win could move the needle either way, win big and people say its just a middle of the pack team from another conference. The MW has it even worse with the AAC's 6th place Cincy against their champ.
12-21-2015, 10:32 PM
USF was #4 record wise in the AAK
12-21-2015, 10:33 PM
(12-21-2015 10:25 PM)IceJus10 Wrote: [ -> ]Weren't four other AAC teams ranked higher than USF? USA today I thought called them the AAC's fifth rank team when it was announced.
I mean the AAC has 3 teams in the top 25 and Memphis appearing in all polls receiving votes, then USF getting votes in one. The champ played the 5th of 12 teams. That's a no win situation for a conference champ. Lose and it's a disaster, a close win could move the needle either way, win big and people say its just a middle of the pack team from another conference. The MW has it even worse with the AAC's 6th place Cincy against their champ.
Unless AAC goes winless then we'll all be laughing at them.
12-21-2015, 10:33 PM
(12-21-2015 10:25 PM)IceJus10 Wrote: [ -> ]Weren't four other AAC teams ranked higher than USF? USA today I thought called them the AAC's fifth rank team when it was announced.
I mean the AAC has 3 teams in the top 25 and Memphis appearing in all polls receiving votes, then USF getting votes in one. The champ played the 5th of 12 teams. That's a no win situation for a conference champ. Lose and it's a disaster, a close win could move the needle either way, win big and people say its just a middle of the pack team from another conference. The MW has it even worse with the AAC's 6th place Cincy against their champ.
Three teams had 1 loss each, USF had 2 losses, Memphis had 3 losses. USF was 4th.
12-21-2015, 10:56 PM
(12-21-2015 10:01 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote: [ -> ]As long as we continue to improve as a conference the better games will come.
Actually, they won't. The commish needs to step up and get us some better bowl tie ins. Unless you go to the AB, we have what we have and the champ can only play in one of those.
12-21-2015, 11:01 PM
My only compliant is the time of this one, have the game at night, ESPN2 if you have to....I mean ESPN was having heart attack today moving first 30 minutes of 2.5 hour pregame show to ESPN 2 due to our bowl game going over 30 minutes....for awhile there I thought they were going to cut out from our game and go to a screaming Chris Berman for a 3 hour pregame of two ****** teams, lol....
12-21-2015, 11:47 PM
(12-21-2015 09:38 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: [ -> ]The Mountain West champ is playing the 6th place AAC team in Hawai'i. At least we got 4th best?
On paper #4.
Memphis lost to #1, #2, and #3, but beat USF @ USF.
Most of us think a lot of that has to do with Fuente KNOWING he was going to Virginia Tech. The team was never the same after the Ole Miss win which is apparently when Fuente was contacted. They certainly didn't look the same at least.
Anyway, I agree. I think all of the G5 champs should have somewhere to go better than we currently have. Think about it. Even the AAC witht he season it had would have had a crappy bowl lineup had Houston not made the Peach.
We're all fighting for 1 stupid slot out of 12. 4 go to the playoff so lets call it 8.
1/8
5 conference vying for 1 slot while the 5 other conferences get 7 NOT including th3 4 they will get for the playoff.
So 5 = 1
Other 5 = 11
Dumbest system I have ever seen and what's worse is our LEADERSHIP agreed to this garbage.
12-21-2015, 11:55 PM
(12-21-2015 11:47 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote: [ -> ](12-21-2015 09:38 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: [ -> ]The Mountain West champ is playing the 6th place AAC team in Hawai'i. At least we got 4th best?
On paper #4.
Memphis lost to #1, #2, and #3, but beat USF @ USF.
Most of us think a lot of that has to do with Fuente KNOWING he was going to Virginia Tech. The team was never the same after the Ole Miss win which is apparently when Fuente was contacted. They certainly didn't look the same at least.
Anyway, I agree. I think all of the G5 champs should have somewhere to go better than we currently have. Think about it. Even the AAC witht he season it had would have had a crappy bowl lineup had Houston not made the Peach.
We're all fighting for 1 stupid slot out of 12. 4 go to the playoff so lets call it 8.
1/8
5 conference vying for 1 slot while the 5 other conferences get 7 NOT including th3 4 they will get for the playoff.
So 5 = 1
Other 5 = 11
Dumbest system I have ever seen and what's worse is our LEADERSHIP agreed to this garbage.
Not to defend those idiots but if they hadn't agreed to that garbage then the the P5 would have just left us out in the cold completely. It was an eating sh-t is better than starving kinda deal.
12-21-2015, 11:55 PM
(12-21-2015 09:38 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: [ -> ]The Mountain West champ is playing the 6th place AAC team in Hawai'i. At least we got 4th best?WKU and SDSU should've played each other.
12-22-2015, 04:12 AM
There are way too many bowl games these days. It would help if there were 8-10 less bowl games, meaning 16-20 less slots, for starters.
Next round of bowl contracts, G5 would do well to see about figuring out if there's any way to pressure for G5 champs playing no less than other G5 champs or P5s in bowls, and no 6-6 or 5-7 teams playing in bowls at all.
Might not be possible with the P5 autonomy in decision-making, but we are basically in a lower division at this point, and almost impossible to improve position/perception the way things are stacked now.
The Access bowl was granted to avoid the NCAA losing tax exempt status. Perhaps there's an answer there. Perhaps G5 schools would do well to band together and make a united stand against the NCAA and the P5.
As nice as it was for WKU to win its bowl game yesterday, they weren't even playing another G5 champ at least.
The fact that Rice this season had even the possibility of playing in a bowl after its putrid 5-7 season with only wins against some of the very worst teams was telling. No way we deserved to go to a bowl this season. Yet we almost did.
If we're going to be relegated to these meaningless bowl games, at least make G5 champs play each other, and slot the other G5 teams according to finish playing against each other: a 1 plays a 1, 2 plays 2, 3 plays 3, etc. There are so few G5-P5 bowls nowadays, and CUSA has only one (HOD against a Big10 also ran) that it seems apparent these other bowls are increasingly meaningless. I used to think it was crappy the CUSA champ played in their Liberty Bowl against a mediocre SEC team, but things today are worse. (Not that Rice helped by getting blown out in the last Liberty bowl by an SEC also-ran. We actually helped make the case for dropping us down.)
For a school like Rice, who for decades had not gone to a bowl game, at first it was nice to finally be in a few. But lowering the bar is not the answer to improving ones position. In life or in football. It is harder to care about going to a bowl these days unless it is against a P5, or at least a G5 champ. CUSA has some of the worst bowl tie-ins other than the Sunbelt. At least the AAC still has a few P5 bowl games. We have the HOD and that's pretty much it.
Next round of bowl contracts, G5 would do well to see about figuring out if there's any way to pressure for G5 champs playing no less than other G5 champs or P5s in bowls, and no 6-6 or 5-7 teams playing in bowls at all.
Might not be possible with the P5 autonomy in decision-making, but we are basically in a lower division at this point, and almost impossible to improve position/perception the way things are stacked now.
The Access bowl was granted to avoid the NCAA losing tax exempt status. Perhaps there's an answer there. Perhaps G5 schools would do well to band together and make a united stand against the NCAA and the P5.
As nice as it was for WKU to win its bowl game yesterday, they weren't even playing another G5 champ at least.
The fact that Rice this season had even the possibility of playing in a bowl after its putrid 5-7 season with only wins against some of the very worst teams was telling. No way we deserved to go to a bowl this season. Yet we almost did.
If we're going to be relegated to these meaningless bowl games, at least make G5 champs play each other, and slot the other G5 teams according to finish playing against each other: a 1 plays a 1, 2 plays 2, 3 plays 3, etc. There are so few G5-P5 bowls nowadays, and CUSA has only one (HOD against a Big10 also ran) that it seems apparent these other bowls are increasingly meaningless. I used to think it was crappy the CUSA champ played in their Liberty Bowl against a mediocre SEC team, but things today are worse. (Not that Rice helped by getting blown out in the last Liberty bowl by an SEC also-ran. We actually helped make the case for dropping us down.)
For a school like Rice, who for decades had not gone to a bowl game, at first it was nice to finally be in a few. But lowering the bar is not the answer to improving ones position. In life or in football. It is harder to care about going to a bowl these days unless it is against a P5, or at least a G5 champ. CUSA has some of the worst bowl tie-ins other than the Sunbelt. At least the AAC still has a few P5 bowl games. We have the HOD and that's pretty much it.
12-22-2015, 05:17 AM
why is usf referred to here as the 4th...they were 5th
houston, navy, temple, memphis were all higher..the west was a harder division and usf got an easier schedule and got a better conference record but to everyone they were #5
some la tech/southern miss fan kept posting they were at worst 4th when the reality is they were at best #5
houston, navy, temple, memphis were all higher..the west was a harder division and usf got an easier schedule and got a better conference record but to everyone they were #5
some la tech/southern miss fan kept posting they were at worst 4th when the reality is they were at best #5
12-22-2015, 06:05 AM
(12-22-2015 05:17 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]why is usf referred to here as the 4th...they were 5th
houston, navy, temple, memphis were all higher..the west was a harder division and usf got an easier schedule and got a better conference record but to everyone they were #5
some la tech/southern miss fan kept posting they were at worst 4th when the reality is they were at best #5
1) 7-1 Houston (beat Navy and Temple)
2) 7-1 Navy (ranked #21)
3) 7-1 Temple (ranked #24)
4) 6-2 USF
5) 5-3 Memphis
Sorry, USF was #4 by the only pertinent metric—record.