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From Texas Tech highly rated center will have three years eligibility

Played last year for Tech. Was the #18 player in Florida. Now if we could get a real guard that could handle the ball.
Antigua will need to win next year after the season he is having this year

Nice, there's no reason USF shouldn't be able to compete for the AAC every year

(12-21-2015 12:03 AM)vcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Nice, there's no reason USF shouldn't be able to compete for the AAC every year

This.

I think USF would look completely different if you would have kept Masiello.

That being said, its good to see that USF is picking up talent.

We just need to become competitive first. Thus year it's a wash with so many players hurt and out for the season. This team will struggle to win more than 6 games.
Next year he needs to start winning and at least go .500 or he might not be around much longer

(12-20-2015 11:20 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]

You're such a tool.

Good pick up for the Bulls

We have troy baxter coming in too.... love that kid. Hes a difference maker. Wish Rodney Peters had panned out but that kid only shows flashes of brilliance and nothing sustained.

Let's face it. USF's BB team is a pathetic mess and a very long way from being competitive with the top tier. A little honesty here. USF is/always will be a football school, and if football is bad, we are in poor overall shape.

We have made it to the tourney and I think we can get back there. USF womens hoops is a damn fine team. The ability for us to be a hoops school is there. One single deep run in the NCAA tourney can change a school. I grew up in indiana and Butler wasnt crap....and then they had a magical run. Recruits flocked to them and they were able to build consistancy.

The same can be done at USF. Theres enough bball talent within a 75 miles radius to keep us in the tourney, but we have to become a winning school. I havent given up on Antigua. I truly believe next year will be a much better team. Hes been trying to piece together a decent team through transfers and what was left when he arrived. Its gonna take some time for him to build it his way but he has some solid players coming in, who I think can make an impact. We all have to remember that the last two years, USF has had several of their starting 5 injured and not playing. That cost us a bunch of wins.

(12-26-2015 10:17 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: [ -> ]We have made it to the tourney and I think we can get back there. USF womens hoops is a damn fine team. The ability for us to be a hoops school is there. One single deep run in the NCAA tourney can change a school. I grew up in indiana and Butler wasnt crap....and then they had a magical run. Recruits flocked to them and they were able to build consistancy.

The same can be done at USF. Theres enough bball talent within a 75 miles radius to keep us in the tourney, but we have to become a winning school. I havent given up on Antigua. I truly believe next year will be a much better team. Hes been trying to piece together a decent team through transfers and what was left when he arrived. Its gonna take some time for him to build it his way but he has some solid players coming in, who I think can make an impact. We all have to remember that the last two years, USF has had several of their starting 5 injured and not playing. That cost us a bunch of wins.

Butler was a solid hoop program, long before their Championship Game runs in 2010 and 2011.

Unlike USF, Butler has been a regular in the NCAA Tourn for almost 2 decades..as they've been in the NCAA's 12 times over past 18 years...including 4 trips to the Sweet 16 (2003, 2007 and obviously 2010 & 2011).

That's a bad comparison or suggestion that USF would be just like Butler after one good season...as USF is a hoop program that has had just 1 winning conf play season in their last 13 years.

(12-26-2015 10:17 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: [ -> ]We have made it to the tourney and I think we can get back there. USF womens hoops is a damn fine team. The ability for us to be a hoops school is there. One single deep run in the NCAA tourney can change a school. I grew up in indiana and Butler wasnt crap....and then they had a magical run. Recruits flocked to them and they were able to build consistancy.

The same can be done at USF. Theres enough bball talent within a 75 miles radius to keep us in the tourney, but we have to become a winning school. I havent given up on Antigua. I truly believe next year will be a much better team. Hes been trying to piece together a decent team through transfers and what was left when he arrived. Its gonna take some time for him to build it his way but he has some solid players coming in, who I think can make an impact. We all have to remember that the last two years, USF has had several of their starting 5 injured and not playing. That cost us a bunch of wins.

Antigua will be under the gun next year. Yes there have been injuries but sooner or later you have to perform. I don't ever see us as a consistent basketball power, we just don't have the support in our state nor the players to do that. Many have tried and failed. With that said we have made the NCAA tourney and won two games as well as an NIT bid in past six years. I do think a coach can build a winning program that could make the tourneys on a more consistent basis.
We shall see next year if Antigua is the guy to do it.

(12-27-2015 08:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2015 10:17 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: [ -> ]We have made it to the tourney and I think we can get back there. USF womens hoops is a damn fine team. The ability for us to be a hoops school is there. One single deep run in the NCAA tourney can change a school. I grew up in indiana and Butler wasnt crap....and then they had a magical run. Recruits flocked to them and they were able to build consistancy.

The same can be done at USF. Theres enough bball talent within a 75 miles radius to keep us in the tourney, but we have to become a winning school. I havent given up on Antigua. I truly believe next year will be a much better team. Hes been trying to piece together a decent team through transfers and what was left when he arrived. Its gonna take some time for him to build it his way but he has some solid players coming in, who I think can make an impact. We all have to remember that the last two years, USF has had several of their starting 5 injured and not playing. That cost us a bunch of wins.

Butler was a solid hoop program, long before their Championship Game runs in 2010 and 2011.

Unlike USF, Butler has been a regular in the NCAA Tourn for almost 2 decades..as they've been in the NCAA's 12 times over past 18 years...including 4 trips to the Sweet 16 (2003, 2007 and obviously 2010 & 2011).

That's a bad comparison or suggestion that USF would be just like Butler after one good season...as USF is a hoop program that has had just 1 winning conf play season in their last 13 years.

The one thing I know probably better than anyone on this board is Indiana basketball. Yes they were a tourney team and nobody gave a crap about them...at all. Considering I played for 2 state club titles inside Hinkle Fieldhouse, I am very aware of where they were at and who they were recruiting.

They couldnt recruit top notch players with candy and hookers. It was a joke that they would be out in the first round again. Occasionally they made it to the second. they benefitted from being in a weak conference and their weakness showed as soon as they got into the tourney.
USF on the other hand was in this thing called the Big East... pretty good bball conference it I recall correctly.

As soon as they made their run, recruits came flying to them and the media stopped calling them a mid major....then they got a call from the Big East.

FGCU is getting much better recruits since their run just a couple years ago.... I tend to believe that USF would quickly rise with just one major run. If they were to make a final four, it would legitimize the program and bring some passion. Kids these days arent as much into the history and tradition as they are the fad.

(12-27-2015 10:06 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2015 10:17 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: [ -> ]We have made it to the tourney and I think we can get back there. USF womens hoops is a damn fine team. The ability for us to be a hoops school is there. One single deep run in the NCAA tourney can change a school. I grew up in indiana and Butler wasnt crap....and then they had a magical run. Recruits flocked to them and they were able to build consistancy.

The same can be done at USF. Theres enough bball talent within a 75 miles radius to keep us in the tourney, but we have to become a winning school. I havent given up on Antigua. I truly believe next year will be a much better team. Hes been trying to piece together a decent team through transfers and what was left when he arrived. Its gonna take some time for him to build it his way but he has some solid players coming in, who I think can make an impact. We all have to remember that the last two years, USF has had several of their starting 5 injured and not playing. That cost us a bunch of wins.

Antigua will be under the gun next year. Yes there have been injuries but sooner or later you have to perform. I don't ever see us as a consistent basketball power, we just don't have the support in our state nor the players to do that. Many have tried and failed. With that said we have made the NCAA tourney and won two games as well as an NIT bid in past six years. I do think a coach can build a winning program that could make the tourneys on a more consistent basis.
We shall see next year if Antigua is the guy to do it.

We have missed out on every major piece of Florida talent. There were four 5 star recruits within 2 hours of USF last year and we didnt land a single one. I like Antigua but his teams seem to look worse each year. Maybe he didnt learn as much as we hoped in Kentucky. If he doesnt win next year, I do tend to think he will be gone. Harlan doesnt play.

Nice part is that he would only have 2 years left on the contract and its only $375K per year.... MINUS any basketball related income he makes. So if he gets hired as an assistant somewhere else, we deduct that out of what he makes from us. I think he would get picked up pretty quick so if a seperation is needed, at least it wont cost us much, which is good, cause well just be paying off Skippy and Heath.

We are getting any of the five star Florida talent. Those will be going to UNC and Duke type programs like they have in the past. In order to build a program at USF you must start with international talent,talent from NYC and then the three star local. That's why I think we were willing to let Antigua have a go with it. He does have the international and NYC contacts, now he needs to give the people a hope that he can coach them. He will be in same boat Taggart was this year, he will need a .500 record next year.

(12-27-2015 12:03 PM)mtmedlin Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2015 08:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2015 10:17 AM)mtmedlin Wrote: [ -> ]We have made it to the tourney and I think we can get back there. USF womens hoops is a damn fine team. The ability for us to be a hoops school is there. One single deep run in the NCAA tourney can change a school. I grew up in indiana and Butler wasnt crap....and then they had a magical run. Recruits flocked to them and they were able to build consistancy.

The same can be done at USF. Theres enough bball talent within a 75 miles radius to keep us in the tourney, but we have to become a winning school. I havent given up on Antigua. I truly believe next year will be a much better team. Hes been trying to piece together a decent team through transfers and what was left when he arrived. Its gonna take some time for him to build it his way but he has some solid players coming in, who I think can make an impact. We all have to remember that the last two years, USF has had several of their starting 5 injured and not playing. That cost us a bunch of wins.

Butler was a solid hoop program, long before their Championship Game runs in 2010 and 2011.

Unlike USF, Butler has been a regular in the NCAA Tourn for almost 2 decades..as they've been in the NCAA's 12 times over past 18 years...including 4 trips to the Sweet 16 (2003, 2007 and obviously 2010 & 2011).

That's a bad comparison or suggestion that USF would be just like Butler after one good season...as USF is a hoop program that has had just 1 winning conf play season in their last 13 years.

The one thing I know probably better than anyone on this board is Indiana basketball. Yes they were a tourney team and nobody gave a crap about them...at all. Considering I played for 2 state club titles inside Hinkle Fieldhouse, I am very aware of where they were at and who they were recruiting.

They couldnt recruit top notch players with candy and hookers. It was a joke that they would be out in the first round again. Occasionally they made it to the second. they benefitted from being in a weak conference and their weakness showed as soon as they got into the tourney.

USF on the other hand was in this thing called the Big East... pretty good bball conference it I recall correctly.

As soon as they made their run, recruits came flying to them and the media stopped calling them a mid major....then they got a call from the Big East.

1) Comparing Butler to USF shows that maybe you don't.

2) Yes, USF was in the Big East for 8 years...and here were the results:

1-15
3-13
3-15
4-14
9-9
3-15
12-6
3-15
3-15 (AAC transition from Big East)
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41-117

Then in the transition season of the new AAC (with Louisville and Rutgers), USF went just 3-15 once again.

USF had an unbelievable opportunity to become maybe even the top program in the state with their Big East membership...but the opportunity was not only blown, it is regarded as a total failure that left the program in shambles and without much fan support so no clue what you meant by trying to state a positive about Big East Hoops for USF when they were at the bottom of the standings most years.

The problem you both miss is that you are BOTH assuming that the Big East was a magic bullet. It was not it was certainly an opportunity, but it also meant that you were going to go up vs schools with longer tradition and that had those advantages for a lot longer time.

USF was hampered because it moved up faster than its infrastructure could support it, in most sports our facilities were still at a SunBelt level yet including our donatoion level. So while we were in the Big East the only benefit we had was the name.

Now you can say that USF failed in taking advantage of the opportunity and I would counter you are half right.
Yes we could had gone on a spending spree an brought all our facilities up to the standards needed to compete in the Big East right away as the Big East asked when we joined. But the school decided to move cautiously.
With that said

Football we never won the league and went to BCS Bowl- failure
But we did go to SIX bowl games in a row, when we had not made a single one in our history. 6 out of 8 years in Big East we went to a bowl and won 4 of them and our attendance improved dramatically and climbed as high as #2 in the nation, so I would say it was a success there

Basketball
As KL data proved most years we were at the bottom of the league- Failure
But we did have two 20 game seasons in those 8 years, a trip to the NIT and a trip to the NCAA and won TWO tournament games- better outcome than we ever had- so Success

Facilities were upgraded by the end of those 8 years so we now had a new Athletic Building, new soccer stadium,new baseball and softball fields, refurbished basketball stadium, new basketball practice facilities, new football practice fields, upgraded track and field facilities - All of these happened at the end of the Big East years, so while later than most wanted it brought our facilities to competitive levels , so another success

So as you can see the Big East years were not all the failure some opponents want you to believe but it was also not a silver bullet for USF.

With that said we now have to face our future and that has nothing to do with this Big East debate. USF is NOT Butler. USF's athletic future will be determined by football and if we do well in that sport then money will fall to the other sports including basketball

(12-28-2015 08:36 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]The problem you both miss is that you are BOTH assuming that the Big East was a magic bullet. It was not it was certainly an opportunity, but it also meant that you were going to go up vs schools with longer tradition and that had those advantages for a lot longer time.

USF was hampered because it moved up faster than its infrastructure could support it, in most sports our facilities were still at a SunBelt level yet including our donatoion level. So while we were in the Big East the only benefit we had was the name.

Now you can say that USF failed in taking advantage of the opportunity and I would counter you are half right.
Yes we could had gone on a spending spree an brought all our facilities up to the standards needed to compete in the Big East right away as the Big East asked when we joined. But the school decided to move cautiously.
With that said

Football we never won the league and went to BCS Bowl- failure
But we did go to SIX bowl games in a row, when we had not made a single one in our history. 6 out of 8 years in Big East we went to a bowl and won 4 of them and our attendance improved dramatically and climbed as high as #2 in the nation, so I would say it was a success there

Basketball
As KL data proved most years we were at the bottom of the league- Failure
But we did have two 20 game seasons in those 8 years, a trip to the NIT and a trip to the NCAA and won TWO tournament games- better outcome than we ever had- so Success

Facilities were upgraded by the end of those 8 years so we now had a new Athletic Building, new soccer stadium,new baseball and softball fields, refurbished basketball stadium, new basketball practice facilities, new football practice fields, upgraded track and field facilities - All of these happened at the end of the Big East years, so while later than most wanted it brought our facilities to competitive levels , so another success

So as you can see the Big East years were not all the failure some opponents want you to believe but it was also not a silver bullet for USF.

With that said we now have to face our future and that has nothing to do with this Big East debate. USF is NOT Butler. USF's athletic future will be determined by football and if we do well in that sport then money will fall to the other sports including basketball

Basically everything you posted was my point but I am simply to lazy to post it all. As I said, If USF had one magical season We would pickup recruits and end up having a much bigger and better program. The comparison to Butler was simply a way of showing how a single magical season can totally change the perception of a school and radically change the course of the future.... it would have nearly no affect on football or which conference we are in.

The Big east really didnt help us at all and I agree that I think it actually hindered in many ways.

I have already given up on Coach O. So far he can't recruit and his coaching skills are questionable at best. I know injuries have been an issue but none of those players showed much while playing. I have been watching USF basketball since the early 1980s and this is the worst team I have ever seen. That being said he gets one more year but I would be shocked if this team wins more than 10 to 12 games next year (which is not good enough).