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Given that enough conferences beat each other up.

(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?

(12-06-2015 10:09 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?

A) UConn did go to the Fiesta bowl a couple of years back (that year a lot of people, including people like Herbstreit, thought UConn could win 10 or 11 games and the Big East, the 2nd part they did), and they had been ranked at least one point in each season for about six or seven straight seasons.
B) Cincinnati talked with the Big 12 last year after the CFP selection show about possibly moving at some point.

I think all of the teams in the AAC have decent brand.
When USF was #2 in the country and beating ND and FSU, nobody was talking about brand.

(12-06-2015 10:13 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]I think all of the teams in the AAC have decent brand.
When USF was #2 in the country and beating ND and FSU, nobody was talking about brand.

I would count USF as possibly third biggest brand as they also had the Big East name to them at one point.

(12-06-2015 10:14 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:13 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: [ -> ]I think all of the teams in the AAC have decent brand.
When USF was #2 in the country and beating ND and FSU, nobody was talking about brand.

I would count USF as possibly third biggest brand as they also had the Big East name to them at one point.

UCF won a Fiesta bowl against the Big 12 Champ and was hand picked as the rivalry game to UConn. I'd say the Knights have a strong brand. Hell, Frost picked UCF over the Syracuse job last week.
Houston, SMU, and Navy, have Heismans.
Basically all of the AAC programs have good history and a place in the CFB story (i.e. tradition)

(12-06-2015 10:12 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?

A) UConn did go to the Fiesta bowl a couple of years back (that year a lot of people, including people like Herbstreit, thought UConn could win 10 or 11 games and the Big East, the 2nd part they did), and they had been ranked at least one point in each season for about six or seven straight seasons.
B) Cincinnati talked with the Big 12 last year after the CFP selection show about possibly moving at some point.

Are you aware of how good the University of Houston was in the past...before the breakup of the SWC? Multiple SWC titles and Cotton Bowl appearances, Heisman winner, etc. In fact, we just got matched up with Florida State and we have a 12-2-2 ALL TIME record vs Florida State.

Of all the football teams in the American, I can make an argument that, historically speaking, the University of Houston is the most storied program in the conference.

In basketball, I will give the nod to UCONN but UH has 5 final four appearances. They have produced 3 NBA Hall of Famers and UH essentially invented the modern version of college basketball with the 1968 Game of the Century when #2 UH beat #1 UCLA in the FIRST nationally televised game in college basketball history.

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_th...ketball%29

If we are talking about "brands" in the American you have to consider Houston's resume. And once you throw in their market, the hundreds of millions they are spending on upgrades, and the recruiting area...you can understand why they are a good value add for a P5 Conference.

(12-06-2015 10:27 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:12 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:09 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?

A) UConn did go to the Fiesta bowl a couple of years back (that year a lot of people, including people like Herbstreit, thought UConn could win 10 or 11 games and the Big East, the 2nd part they did), and they had been ranked at least one point in each season for about six or seven straight seasons.
B) Cincinnati talked with the Big 12 last year after the CFP selection show about possibly moving at some point.

Are you aware of how good the University of Houston was in the past...before the breakup of the SWC? Multiple SWC titles and Cotton Bowl appearances, Heisman winner, etc. In fact, we just got matched up with Florida State and we have a 12-2-2 ALL TIME record vs Florida State.

Of all the football teams in the American, I can make an argument that, historically speaking, the University of Houston is the most storied program in the conference.

In basketball, I will give the nod to UCONN but UH has 5 final four appearances. They have produced 3 NBA Hall of Famers and UH essentially invented the modern version of college basketball with the 1968 Game of the Century when #2 UH beat #1 UCLA in the FIRST nationally televised game in college basketball history.

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_th...ketball%29

If we are talking about "brands" in the American you have to consider Houston's resume. And once you throw in their market, the hundreds of millions they are spending on upgrades, and the recruiting area...you can understand why they are a good value add for a P5 Conference.

I'm aware of Houston's basketball and football pedigree; however, most of that was thirty years ago (with this football season and 2011 as notable exceptions). UConn was more recently in a major conference. No offense, but I think UConn moving from FCS to Big East looked better in the mind of those who started following the sport in the last twenty years than Houston falling from SWC to MW/WAC then C-USA. I don't know if UConn or Houston will be picked, but honestly until this year, I thought of Houston (and SMU) as more of relics of the past (similar to the Ivy League or Army or Navy or UNLV in basketball)>

(12-06-2015 10:31 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:27 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:12 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:09 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?

A) UConn did go to the Fiesta bowl a couple of years back (that year a lot of people, including people like Herbstreit, thought UConn could win 10 or 11 games and the Big East, the 2nd part they did), and they had been ranked at least one point in each season for about six or seven straight seasons.
B) Cincinnati talked with the Big 12 last year after the CFP selection show about possibly moving at some point.

Are you aware of how good the University of Houston was in the past...before the breakup of the SWC? Multiple SWC titles and Cotton Bowl appearances, Heisman winner, etc. In fact, we just got matched up with Florida State and we have a 12-2-2 ALL TIME record vs Florida State.

Of all the football teams in the American, I can make an argument that, historically speaking, the University of Houston is the most storied program in the conference.

In basketball, I will give the nod to UCONN but UH has 5 final four appearances. They have produced 3 NBA Hall of Famers and UH essentially invented the modern version of college basketball with the 1968 Game of the Century when #2 UH beat #1 UCLA in the FIRST nationally televised game in college basketball history.

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_th...ketball%29

If we are talking about "brands" in the American you have to consider Houston's resume. And once you throw in their market, the hundreds of millions they are spending on upgrades, and the recruiting area...you can understand why they are a good value add for a P5 Conference.

I'm aware of Houston's basketball and football pedigree; however, most of that was thirty years ago (with this football season and 2011 as notable exceptions). UConn was more recently in a major conference. No offense, but I think UConn moving from FCS to Big East looked better in the mind of those who started following the sport in the last twenty years than Houston falling from SWC to MW/WAC then C-USA. I don't know if UConn or Houston will be picked, but honestly until this year, I thought of Houston (and SMU) as more of relics of the past (similar to the Ivy League or Army or Navy or UNLV in basketball)>

SMU and Houston are worlds apart...sorry SMU it is just true. SMU is making some smart moves they are far behind us.

UH is a large state public school with 43,000 students and SMU is a small religious private school. UH alums are EVERYWHERE in the Houston market. There are close to 250,000 alums in the Houston area alone. That is more than the alums of Texas and A&M combined.
On athletics....UH has committed to spend, what ..near a third to half a billion dollars to upgrade their athletic facilities. This is on top of the University spending a billion dollars the last ten years to upgrade its academic facilities including the creation of a UH Medical school. this is integral because Houston has one of the largest Medical Centers in the entire world.

(12-06-2015 09:54 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Given that enough conferences beat each other up.

You are under the delusuion rhat cincy and uconn are a superior brand

(12-06-2015 10:27 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:12 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:09 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?

A) UConn did go to the Fiesta bowl a couple of years back (that year a lot of people, including people like Herbstreit, thought UConn could win 10 or 11 games and the Big East, the 2nd part they did), and they had been ranked at least one point in each season for about six or seven straight seasons.
B) Cincinnati talked with the Big 12 last year after the CFP selection show about possibly moving at some point.

Are you aware of how good the University of Houston was in the past...before the breakup of the SWC? Multiple SWC titles and Cotton Bowl appearances, Heisman winner, etc. In fact, we just got matched up with Florida State and we have a 12-2-2 ALL TIME record vs Florida State.

Of all the football teams in the American, I can make an argument that, historically speaking, the University of Houston is the most storied program in the conference.

In basketball, I will give the nod to UCONN but UH has 5 final four appearances. They have produced 3 NBA Hall of Famers and UH essentially invented the modern version of college basketball with the 1968 Game of the Century when #2 UH beat #1 UCLA in the FIRST nationally televised game in college basketball history.

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_th...ketball%29

If we are talking about "brands" in the American you have to consider Houston's resume. And once you throw in their market, the hundreds of millions they are spending on upgrades, and the recruiting area...you can understand why they are a good value add for a P5 Conference.

Houston was a football member of the swc for less than 20 years, never really a core member, was a disgrace for running up the score with a gimmick offense and the red headed conf step child. Ware is arguably the worst heisman winner ever.

Young posters may be fooled by swc bragging. Us old timers know houston was considered a goof

(12-07-2015 12:06 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:54 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Given that enough conferences beat each other up.

You are under the delusuion rhat cincy and uconn are a superior brand

Uconn is a better brand than Memphis in both football and basketball (as well as academics), and Cincy is a better brand then Memphis in football and it is a push in basketball.

football brand and basketball brand are different things

kansas, memphis historically, iowa state, dukehave proven that.,...

brand isnt getting any aac into the playoff,

(12-07-2015 12:16 AM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2015 12:06 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:54 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Given that enough conferences beat each other up.

You are under the delusuion rhat cincy and uconn are a superior brand

Uconn is a better brand than Memphis in both football and basketball (as well as academics), and Cincy is a better brand then Memphis in football and it is a push in basketball.

Cincy and uconn are nobodys in football. Baxketball and academics dont matter, did you not get the memo

An undefeated team with a win on the likes of Ole Miss, Penn St, or ND might have been #4 and pushed out Oklahoma.

All our top teams kind of have to wonder what if. If Memphis hadn't lost to Navy and then promptly stopped playing, If Houston had stayed up for UConn. If Temple or Navy could have stopped ND.

Our top 5 programs or so were all in the national conversation. An AAC 13-0 champ (ANY 13-0 AAC team) probably either would have made it or at least pushed it to 'why isn't it 8 teams again'.

No worries, the 8 team playoff will come. Too much money. 5 P5 champs, 1 G5 champs, and 2 Wcards. Book it. One day.

If UH isn't higher than 18 now, there's no way they'd have approached the top 4 in any circumstances.

Houston doesn't have a player's VIP card, it used to but unless you're in the club no one will take you serious or give you more than the leftovers.

It all depends on ooc sos including beating a top 25 name p5 team, strength of the conference (such as this year) and most p5 conference champs having 1-2 losses. Memphis was #13 early on before we fizzled out. If we would've gone undefeated we could've been in the conversation. Not sure about getting in tho. Houston wasn't high enough early enough to have a chance.

A lot of people are confused about what 'brand' means. Hint, it is not one good football season.

(12-07-2015 12:12 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:27 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:12 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 10:09 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?

A) UConn did go to the Fiesta bowl a couple of years back (that year a lot of people, including people like Herbstreit, thought UConn could win 10 or 11 games and the Big East, the 2nd part they did), and they had been ranked at least one point in each season for about six or seven straight seasons.
B) Cincinnati talked with the Big 12 last year after the CFP selection show about possibly moving at some point.

Are you aware of how good the University of Houston was in the past...before the breakup of the SWC? Multiple SWC titles and Cotton Bowl appearances, Heisman winner, etc. In fact, we just got matched up with Florida State and we have a 12-2-2 ALL TIME record vs Florida State.

Of all the football teams in the American, I can make an argument that, historically speaking, the University of Houston is the most storied program in the conference.

In basketball, I will give the nod to UCONN but UH has 5 final four appearances. They have produced 3 NBA Hall of Famers and UH essentially invented the modern version of college basketball with the 1968 Game of the Century when #2 UH beat #1 UCLA in the FIRST nationally televised game in college basketball history.

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_th...ketball%29

If we are talking about "brands" in the American you have to consider Houston's resume. And once you throw in their market, the hundreds of millions they are spending on upgrades, and the recruiting area...you can understand why they are a good value add for a P5 Conference.

Houston was a football member of the swc for less than 20 years, never really a core member, was a disgrace for running up the score with a gimmick offense and the red headed conf step child. Ware is arguably the worst heisman winner ever.

Young posters may be fooled by swc bragging. Us old timers know houston was considered a goof

I certainly am no shill for Houston, but the above is not true. The late 70s and early 80s Houston was a power. Many may remember that Joe Montanas first fame came at the expense of Houston in the Cotton Bowl when he was qbacking Notre Dame.

(12-06-2015 10:09 PM)UH1927 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2015 09:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on their strength-of-schedule and also on the alternatives. But an AAC champ at 13-0 would definitely be a part of the conversation.

They are not more of a brand than half of the teams in the AAC. I don't recall UCONN ever being nationally relevant in football. I apologize if they were but before joining the American I had no memory of them as a dominant football program.

[b]On Cincy...there is ton of smoke about UH and UC joining the Big 12 and possibly getting an invite this month or next. The WVU president just visited UH's campus and met with President Khator. He came to the University of Houston. Keep in mind he is also on the expansion committee. I believe we have also met with the two other presidents on the expansion committee. Has this also been happening with UC?[/b]

UC/UH to the B12 smoke is rising....


oh and regarding the OP question: no...neither UC nor UCONN will make the playoff from the AAC. Neither will any other AAC. Why? Let me break it down: 60% of it has to do with the fact none of us are big enough fb brands (basketball brand has zero to do with it...even though we have some decent bball brands in the AAC). The other 40% is our conference...we are G5. Checkmate.