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WTH?

The buck stops with the coach. Karen needs to go.
When can ODU return to having a respectable women's hoops program? Wood really, really, got this hire wrong.
We beat UVa in the WNIT just last year, right?
Nice win, but it was in the WNIT, and thats the best year she's had. ODU should be in the NCAAs almost every year on the women's side. Theres no reason why ODU shouldn't own CUSA alongside La Tech. I know MTSU is respectable too, but seriously, this is the Lady Monarchs we're talking about. Would UConn or Tennessee, Maryland or NC State be satisfied with a single WNIT? No way. Those are our former peers, and I know they've moved past us a bit, but I still expect a national ranking for the ladies every 4 or 5 years, and a year out of the NCAA tournament should be an unusual exception, not normal.
(12-04-2015 04:34 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]We beat UVa in the WNIT just last year, right?

Honestly, the ODU name and our ability to host games has got us into the WNIT more than once (finishing outside of the top 100 RPI). Unlike the men's, it is also a 64 team tournament.
Karen's tenure has been nothing short of a disaster. But I blame Wood, there was no evidence going in that KB could turn this program around. It was a risky bet.
We got what we paid for.

The field hockey program and women's basketball programs both lost legends and we went the cheap route and got the results we paid for.

Can't help but think football and men's basketball have doomed the women's programs at odu. It is what it is.
We went cheap for men's basketball too. Maybe it worked for them, its still a bit early to be sure, but Wood seems to go cheap on everything.

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I think the field hockey hire has been ok. Much like women's hoops, we can't expect to compete as a top 5 team like we used too. However, the field hockey coach is still beating top 10 teams every year. Barefoot isn't winning games and her teams are apparently undisciplined.

Bring in Nancy!!!
Jeff Jones was a heck of a hire too, if you think otherwise you don't know much about college hoops.
(12-04-2015 09:33 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote: [ -> ]I think the field hockey hire has been ok. Much like women's hoops, we can't expect to compete as a top 5 team like we used too. However, the field hockey coach is still beating top 10 teams every year. Barefoot isn't winning games and her teams are apparently undisciplined.

Bring in Nancy!!!

I doubt Nancy comes back after jumping over to Sacramento.
(12-04-2015 06:32 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]We went cheap for men's basketball too. Maybe it worked for them, its still a bit early to be sure, but Wood seems to go cheap on everything.

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For all the people complaining about ODU/Wood "going cheap" on hires, how many of you are writing 5 and 6 figure checks to ODAF, because that is what it takes? The state of VA allows a certain salary for coaches and the rest of that money has to be ponied up by the donors. The budget is not unlimited. The last basketball coach left with a check and if Karen gets fired, then ODU will have to pay out her contract and come up with the money to pay another coach, so the budget will be even more limited for a replacement. I'm not sure how many years are left on her contract, but that could play into if she survives another season or not.
(12-04-2015 10:45 PM)LuckyLion Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-04-2015 06:32 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]We went cheap for men's basketball too. Maybe it worked for them, its still a bit early to be sure, but Wood seems to go cheap on everything.

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For all the people complaining about ODU/Wood "going cheap" on hires, how many of you are writing 5 and 6 figure checks to ODAF, because that is what it takes? The state of VA allows a certain salary for coaches and the rest of that money has to be ponied up by the donors. The budget is not unlimited. The last basketball coach left with a check and if Karen gets fired, then ODU will have to pay out her contract and come up with the money to pay another coach, so the budget will be even more limited for a replacement. I'm not sure how many years are left on her contract, but that could play into if she survives another season or not.

This sort of goes with the "CUSA sucks" thread but if you can't afford to play or pay in the arena you are in then maybe you are in the wrong arena.
This might be the knell for Barefoot's time at ODU.
This isn't a money thing. Sure, getting Nancy or a very well established coach would be nice, but ODU should absolutely be in contention for winning CUSA annually. Middle Tennessee (ODU's biggest barrier to winning this league) and Western Kentucky have great coach's. MTSU has built a very good program with great fan support. Southern Miss is decent to good depending on the year, UTEP is looking good, and I do think that the younger Summit will be turning around LaTech. These are all schools with way less finding than ODU. Hampton, JMU, and a slew of tiny budget school would blowout this year's lady monarchs. KB just cannot coach; she had no business even being interviewed. Financially speaking, there is true value out there for the ODU job. I would be interested to know who Wood turned down for the this hire.
I hate having to defend Barefoot, as I'm not a fan of her in-game coaching, but here are her results:

11-21 (took over a mess)
19-12
18-17
21-13 (WNIT win over UVa)

That's not the kind of record that's going to get you fired in women's basketball. And, for what it's worth, we are NOT getting a NBA assistant to take over the program. We wouldn't even get one of those to take over the men's program.

Also, the idea that we "went cheap" on the field hockey hire is laughable.
(12-05-2015 07:56 AM)monarchman Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't a money thing. Sure, getting Nancy or a very well established coach would be nice, but ODU should absolutely be in contention for winning CUSA annually. Middle Tennessee (ODU's biggest barrier to winning this league) and Western Kentucky have great coach's. MTSU has built a very good program with great fan support. Southern Miss is decent to good depending on the year, UTEP is looking good, and I do think that the younger Summit will be turning around LaTech. These are all schools with way less finding than ODU. Hampton, JMU, and a slew of tiny budget school would blowout this year's lady monarchs. KB just cannot coach; she had no business even being interviewed. Financially speaking, there is true value out there for the ODU job. I would be interested to know who Wood turned down for the this hire.

I know of one former associate head coach at an ACC school, who is known for being high level recruiter was interested. Not sure if there was a interview but I believe there was. I grew up with the person.
(12-05-2015 07:59 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]I hate having to defend Barefoot, as I'm not a fan of her in-game coaching, but here are her results:

11-21 (took over a mess)
19-12
18-17
21-13 (WNIT win over UVa)

That's not the kind of record that's going to get you fired in women's basketball. And, for what it's worth, we are NOT getting a NBA assistant to take over the program. We wouldn't even get one of those to take over the men's program.

Also, the idea that we "went cheap" on the field hockey hire is laughable.

The field hockey hire was good. That program has essentially continued on as it has for the past decade or so.

As for Barefoot, it's too simple to only look at the record. For instance, under Barefoot the SOS has tanked. A lot of those wins have been against awful competition, along with losses to team ODU should never lose to. Attendance has dropped quite a bit. Player turnover has been an issue. An absolute dearth of quality wins (why have they not scheduled long time rival JMU?); I think the best team ODU beat was Alabama a few years back? Worst of all, all of these ODU teams have had solid talent. It seems that Barefoot has got the most out of Wendy's former players. And UVA is currently not the UVA of old, hence them being in the WNIT in the first place.


RPI:
Last Five Years of Wendy Larry:
2006-2007: 21
2007-2008: 9
2008-2009: 94
2009-2010: 55
2010-2011: 63

Last Five Years of Karen Barefoot:
2011-2012: 178
2012-2013: 136
2013-2014: 128
2014-2015: 124
Current 2015 236

Bottom line: We have not had one team anywhere close to a NCAA caliber team under Barefoot and that will not be changing. The better coaches (some in CUSA) steamroll the ladies almost every time.
(12-04-2015 09:34 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote: [ -> ]Jeff Jones was a heck of a hire too, if you think otherwise you don't know much about college hoops.
JJ may or may not turn out to be a good hire, but he still went cheap. Cut the budget for that position by about 50%.

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(12-05-2015 10:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-04-2015 09:34 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote: [ -> ]Jeff Jones was a heck of a hire too, if you think otherwise you don't know much about college hoops.
JJ may or may not turn out to be a good hire, but he still went cheap. Cut the budget for that position by about 50%.

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No we didn't, you are only quoting what was available in the newspaper. I don't mean to be rude but you are absolutely wrong about this.
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