Quote:Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said late Monday that most violent criminals also identify as Democrats.
"Here is the simple and undeniable fact the overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats," he said on The Hugh Hewitt Show that evening.
"There is a reason why for years the Democrats have been viewed as soft on crime," Cruz continued. "They go in and appoint to the bench judges who release violent criminals.
"They go in and fight to give the right to vote to convicted felons, the 2016 GOP presidential candidate added. "Why?
"The Democrats know that convicted felons tend to vote Democrat. The media never reports on any of that. [It] doesn't want to admit any of that."
Cruz then argued that the mainstream media often tries linking violent crime with the GOP, even when such ties are nonexistent.
"Every time you have some sort of violent crime or mass killing you can almost see the media salivating, hoping, hoping desperately that the murderer happens to be a Republican so that they can use it to try and paint their political enemies," he said.
"You can see that every time there's a terrible crime they're so excited... 'come on, please be a Republican so we can try and paint the other side,'" Cruz said. "It is one of the more egregious examples of media bias and something we see over and over again."
Cruz and Hewitt were discussing last week's mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Robert Lewis Dear, the alleged gunman, killed three people and wounded nine others after opening fire there the night of Nov. 27.
He then reportedly uttered the phrase "no more baby parts" upon entering police custody last weekend. Police have since repeatedly stressed that it is unclear whether the organizations abortion policies inspired Dearâ€[TRADE MARK SIGN]s alleged rampage.
Cruz charged Monday that Dear's purported actions do not represent the values of the pro-life movement.
"I would note that this whole episode has really displayed the ugly underbelly of the media," he said, noting some news outlets that had suggested potential links between Dear and anti-abortion supporters.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...-democrats
Wow, good points. Hadn't thought of it that way. Way to reframe the debate.
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The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
MOMENTS after the Colorado movie theater shooting, CNN was reporting that the killer was a registered Tea Party member.
....Only, he wasn't. They saw someone with the same first/last name and nearly came in their pants without doing any fact-checking.
(12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
They matter when they motivate him to do such a thing. You never saw mass shootings committed by mentally unstable pro-gay rights activists, did you? Yet gay folks were shot, beaten, raped, and all sorts of other horrible things. There's a clear divide between one side and the other.
(12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
That's an interesting position to take. A number of people believe that Nidal Hasan was also mentally disturbed, although you can argue the point that Nidal was probably brainwashed more so than having an actual chemical imbalance that caused mental illness. In the end one must wonder if anyone choosing to go on a shooting rampage should automatically be deemed as being mentally unfit. A lot of compelling arguments can be made for that.
I agree btw that you cannot paint the pro life movement with the actions of this individual. By the same token though, you cannot paint the entire U.S. Muslim population with the brush of Islamic extremism. I think virtually all Muslims in the U.S. left their countries in order to get away from Shariah Law and oppression.
(12-01-2015 09:23 AM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
They matter when they motivate him to do such a thing. You never saw mass shootings committed by mentally unstable pro-gay rights activists, did you? Yet gay folks were shot, beaten, raped, and all sorts of other horrible things. There's a clear divide between one side and the other.
OK, but what are the statistics for the type of person or the motivations that inspire a person to take multiple lives in a single event? Probably the most common multiple person murder situations involve homes that are about to be broken up via divorce, i.e. the murder/suicide scenarios due to divorce. Should no fault divorce be blamed for these types of murder/suicide crimes? If you marry an unstable partner, should you be compelled to stay with that partner for life because a divorce may cause that person to become unhinged and violent?
How far do you take something like this?
(12-01-2015 09:23 AM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
They matter when they motivate him to do such a thing. You never saw mass shootings committed by mentally unstable pro-gay rights activists, did you? Yet gay folks were shot, beaten, raped, and all sorts of other horrible things. There's a clear divide between one side and the other.
And thats why we need to get rid of ISIS!
(12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
So he's not pro-life and he's not an extremist. Fine. He's just a nut who happens to hate plan parenthood, President Obama and God knows all what else who decided he'd had enough and killed three people.
Amazing.
(12-01-2015 09:23 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
That's an interesting position to take. A number of people believe that Nidal Hasan was also mentally disturbed, although you can argue the point that Nidal was probably brainwashed more so than having an actual chemical imbalance that caused mental illness. In the end one must wonder if anyone choosing to go on a shooting rampage should automatically be deemed as being mentally unfit. A lot of compelling arguments can be made for that.
I agree btw that you cannot paint the pro life movement with the actions of this individual. By the same token though, you cannot paint the entire U.S. Muslim population with the brush of Islamic extremism. I think virtually all Muslims in the U.S. left their countries in order to get away from Shariah Law and oppression.
Sure.
Nope, can't paint pro-life movement by this nut. But there've been others. And there are those who selectively edit video to paint a portrait of Planned Parenthood as nothing more than a ghoulish harvester of babyparts and so worse.
The problem with any movement, right, left, secular, religious, political ... are the people who don't know when to say when.
(12-01-2015 09:45 AM)gsu95 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
So he's not pro-life and he's not an extremist. Fine. He's just a nut who happens to hate plan parenthood, President Obama and God knows all what else who decided he'd had enough and killed three people.
Amazing.
This is one nut. Regardless of his political views, and I have seen no evidence that he has any, the fact remains that most violent criminals are democrats.
(11-30-2015 08:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said late Monday that most violent criminals also identify as Democrats.
"Here is the simple and undeniable fact the overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats," he said on The Hugh Hewitt Show that evening.
"There is a reason why for years the Democrats have been viewed as soft on crime," Cruz continued. "They go in and appoint to the bench judges who release violent criminals.
"They go in and fight to give the right to vote to convicted felons, the 2016 GOP presidential candidate added. "Why?
"The Democrats know that convicted felons tend to vote Democrat. The media never reports on any of that. [It] doesn't want to admit any of that."
Cruz then argued that the mainstream media often tries linking violent crime with the GOP, even when such ties are nonexistent.
"Every time you have some sort of violent crime or mass killing you can almost see the media salivating, hoping, hoping desperately that the murderer happens to be a Republican so that they can use it to try and paint their political enemies," he said.
"You can see that every time there's a terrible crime they're so excited... 'come on, please be a Republican so we can try and paint the other side,'" Cruz said. "It is one of the more egregious examples of media bias and something we see over and over again."
Cruz and Hewitt were discussing last week's mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Robert Lewis Dear, the alleged gunman, killed three people and wounded nine others after opening fire there the night of Nov. 27.
He then reportedly uttered the phrase "no more baby parts" upon entering police custody last weekend. Police have since repeatedly stressed that it is unclear whether the organizations abortion policies inspired Dearâ€[TRADE MARK SIGN]s alleged rampage.
Cruz charged Monday that Dear's purported actions do not represent the values of the pro-life movement.
"I would note that this whole episode has really displayed the ugly underbelly of the media," he said, noting some news outlets that had suggested potential links between Dear and anti-abortion supporters.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...-democrats
Wow, good points. Hadn't thought of it that way. Way to reframe the debate.
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Dude is reaching. This is pathetic. So a guy goes in and kills three people for no good reason and Cruz says "'I would note that this whole episode has really displayed the ugly underbelly of the media." How?
To me, Cruz saying violent criminals are Democrats is no difference than a Dem candidate saying thieving bankers and hedge fund managers and corrupt developers are Republicans and vote in such a way to have corrupt friends in high places they can buy. It serves no purpose other than to keep the American public divided.
(12-01-2015 09:23 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
That's an interesting position to take. A number of people believe that Nidal Hasan was also mentally disturbed, although you can argue the point that Nidal was probably brainwashed more so than having an actual chemical imbalance that caused mental illness. In the end one must wonder if anyone choosing to go on a shooting rampage should automatically be deemed as being mentally unfit. A lot of compelling arguments can be made for that.
I agree btw that you cannot paint the pro life movement with the actions of this individual. By the same token though, you cannot paint the entire U.S. Muslim population with the brush of Islamic extremism. I think virtually all Muslims in the U.S. left their countries in order to get away from Shariah Law and oppression.
Oppression from dictators, civil wars things like that, sure. And for economic opportunity. I think that if some communities became majority muslim, and if they could implement parts of Sharia Law they would.
(12-01-2015 09:58 AM)gsu95 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2015 08:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said late Monday that most violent criminals also identify as Democrats.
"Here is the simple and undeniable fact the overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats," he said on The Hugh Hewitt Show that evening.
"There is a reason why for years the Democrats have been viewed as soft on crime," Cruz continued. "They go in and appoint to the bench judges who release violent criminals.
"They go in and fight to give the right to vote to convicted felons, the 2016 GOP presidential candidate added. "Why?
"The Democrats know that convicted felons tend to vote Democrat. The media never reports on any of that. [It] doesn't want to admit any of that."
Cruz then argued that the mainstream media often tries linking violent crime with the GOP, even when such ties are nonexistent.
"Every time you have some sort of violent crime or mass killing you can almost see the media salivating, hoping, hoping desperately that the murderer happens to be a Republican so that they can use it to try and paint their political enemies," he said.
"You can see that every time there's a terrible crime they're so excited... 'come on, please be a Republican so we can try and paint the other side,'" Cruz said. "It is one of the more egregious examples of media bias and something we see over and over again."
Cruz and Hewitt were discussing last week's mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Robert Lewis Dear, the alleged gunman, killed three people and wounded nine others after opening fire there the night of Nov. 27.
He then reportedly uttered the phrase "no more baby parts" upon entering police custody last weekend. Police have since repeatedly stressed that it is unclear whether the organizations abortion policies inspired Dearâ€[TRADE MARK SIGN]s alleged rampage.
Cruz charged Monday that Dear's purported actions do not represent the values of the pro-life movement.
"I would note that this whole episode has really displayed the ugly underbelly of the media," he said, noting some news outlets that had suggested potential links between Dear and anti-abortion supporters.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...-democrats
Wow, good points. Hadn't thought of it that way. Way to reframe the debate.
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Dude is reaching. This is pathetic. So a guy goes in and kills three people for no good reason and Cruz says "'I would note that this whole episode has really displayed the ugly underbelly of the media." How?
To me, Cruz saying violent criminals are Democrats is no difference than a Dem candidate saying thieving bankers and hedge fund managers and corrupt developers are Republicans and vote in such a way to have corrupt friends in high places they can buy. It serves no purpose other than to keep the American public divided.
Except that would be false. Bankers, hedge fund managers, and corrupt developers are apolitical crony capitalists. They have no overarching political philosophy. They support who they can control, which will be Hillary Clinton this go around since it appears Jeb is going nowhere. Violent criminals, on the other hand, will always vote democrat whenever they are able to. Even the most corrupt, centrist, establishment republicans are sour to the cause of the violent criminal.
(12-01-2015 09:23 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree btw that you cannot paint the pro life movement with the actions of this individual. By the same token though, you cannot paint the entire U.S. Muslim population with the brush of Islamic extremism. I think virtually all Muslims in the U.S. left their countries in order to get away from Shariah Law and oppression.
Obviously I never did such a thing.
(12-01-2015 09:45 AM)gsu95 Wrote: [ -> ]So he's not pro-life and he's not an extremist. Fine. He's just a nut who happens to hate plan parenthood, President Obama and God knows all what else who decided he'd had enough and killed three people.
Amazing.
You are obviously a troll.
I myself called the man an extremist, yet you pretend I just said he wasn't an extremist.
Furthermore if a person is murdering innocent people, then that obviously means the person is not pro life. If they claim they are they are obviously insane.
(12-01-2015 09:23 AM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ]They matter when they motivate him to do such a thing. You never saw mass shootings committed by mentally unstable pro-gay rights activists, did you? Yet gay folks were shot, beaten, raped, and all sorts of other horrible things. There's a clear divide between one side and the other.
We also have to be honest enough to draw a distinction between the insane and political activists.
You can't be pro life and premeditativly murder innocence people.
Trying to connect people like this man to the pro life movement is the worst kind of politics.
(12-01-2015 09:23 AM)Ole Blue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
They matter when they motivate him to do such a thing. You never saw mass shootings committed by mentally unstable pro-gay rights activists, did you? Yet gay folks were shot, beaten, raped, and all sorts of other horrible things. There's a clear divide between one side and the other.
Didn't Jeff Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy fit that mold?
(12-01-2015 09:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 09:45 AM)gsu95 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 12:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]The media wanted baldly to brand the lunatic a "Pro-life extremist", which makes no sense at all because the man is committing murder.
The politics of a violent, mentally disturbed individual should not be the issue here at all. No matter what his politics are.
So he's not pro-life and he's not an extremist. Fine. He's just a nut who happens to hate plan parenthood, President Obama and God knows all what else who decided he'd had enough and killed three people.
Amazing.
This is one nut. Regardless of his political views, and I have seen no evidence that he has any, the fact remains that most violent criminals are democrats.
These violent criminals may be registered as Democrats, but how many of them actually participate in the political process? In my state, they will register you for elections when you get or renew your drivers license - motor/voter program I believe they call it.
One thing to keep in mind is that the Democratic party for decades upon decades positioned themselves as the party of the little person, the working class, union workers and most recently the party of the downtrodden. Them being democrats are no surprise if you consider that most violent crimes are committed by people of few means. By contrast, I would expect the majority of the people who crippled our financial markets in 2008/2009 to be GOP, although more Dems are being seen amongst the younger group. However, by far and large they are all fiscally conservative, and Dem primarily due to a liberal view regarding civil liberties.
More accurately, you could argue that fiscal conservatives cratered the economy in 2008. How many of these banksters should be in prison - but aren't? All played the game, yet only Lehman and AIG were largely punished over it.
Bottom line is that the willful intent to commit crimes - be it white collar, robbery, burglary or violent crimes is independent of party affiliation and more to do with class and choice of careers. Color me shocked that a finance guy is much more likely to embezzle money than to commit murder/robbery at a six pack shop. Also, is it any surprise that an inner city kid is much more likely to be involved in a car jacking than in an elaborate ponzi scheme to defraud investors? C'mon, it's just Cruz giving red meat to the base. There isn't any real insight here.
Well the only thing we know about the Colorado guy is that he lived off-grid with no electricity or running water. You think he is any more likely to have participated in the political process?
(12-01-2015 11:52 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Well the only thing we know about the Colorado guy is that he lived off-grid with no electricity or running water. You think he is any more likely to have participated in the political process?
No I don't. I also said that his actions should not be used to tar and feather those who hold life sacred and valuable. What relevance does this have to do with what Ted Cruz said?
Then again, if this guy really lived off the grid, then why was he plugged in enough to know what was going on at PP?