(11-29-2015 02:10 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]Only 5 players are playing 20 or more minutes. Cokley, brown, Norton, Baxter, and Lee. Are those not our best players.
All year everyone has been talking about how much depth we have. Now there are complaints that Haase is using that depth.
Who is everyone suggesting that be put on the bench and not play?
The one thing about this tournament that no one is talking about is that Lee and Brown played two strong games. They are on their way back.
Madison and Mehinti. Neither are contributing much on either end of the floor. I think Tyler would be much more effective in an up-tempo pressing style. He's not really a half court type player. Not sure what is wrong with Mehinti. He's regressed from last year and I have to agree about his energy level. He and Lee seem to have started the season at 1/2 to 3/4 speed. Ha Ha is coming around but Tosin is still stuck on LOW setting. Seems like half his touches are turnovers.
William has started slow but he does have 17 blocks in 6 games. Not really his position but he clearly the best man for the job at the 5 spot.
(11-29-2015 12:31 AM)Blazer85 Wrote: [ -> ]My main gripe with respect to coaching was the play drawn up at the end of regulation. Why not get a post up play or some dribble penetration to draw a foul? I understand Norton was hitting some shots but that was not IMO the play to draw up in that circumstance.
Disappointing start to the season. Not giving up on Haase but this definitely reflects poorly on him because I think based on our talent we are significantly underachieving. Oh well, hope they get things figured out soon.
If you go back and watch the final play, it was designed to throw the ball into the post, but the defender fronted his man, so we weren't able to make a pass. Also, I'm willing to bet that there was a secondary action, but someone wasn't in the right spot, so it was a broken play.
Obviously, Haase didn't draw up a play for Norton to launch an NBA range three pointer (that almost went in by the way). Let's give Haase some credit folks.
(11-29-2015 09:18 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2015 02:10 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]Only 5 players are playing 20 or more minutes. Cokley, brown, Norton, Baxter, and Lee. Are those not our best players.
All year everyone has been talking about how much depth we have. Now there are complaints that Haase is using that depth.
Who is everyone suggesting that be put on the bench and not play?
The one thing about this tournament that no one is talking about is that Lee and Brown played two strong games. They are on their way back.
Madison and Mehinti. Neither are contributing much on either end of the floor. I think Tyler would be much more effective in an up-tempo pressing style. He's not really a half court type player. Not sure what is wrong with Mehinti. He's regressed from last year and I have to agree about his energy level. He and Lee seem to have started the season at 1/2 to 3/4 speed. Ha Ha is coming around but Tosin is still stuck on LOW setting. Seems like half his touches are turnovers.
William has started slow but he does have 17 blocks in 6 games. Not really his position but he clearly the best man for the job at the 5 spot.
After my first two games in person, Lee appears to be trying to block EVERYTHING. But he isn't moving his feet or trying to rebound every play. Lee and Mehenti are not very fundamentally sound. Both could use about 3 years of AAU ball with a hard ass high school old school coach.
(11-29-2015 09:40 AM)jthrashr Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2015 12:31 AM)Blazer85 Wrote: [ -> ]My main gripe with respect to coaching was the play drawn up at the end of regulation. Why not get a post up play or some dribble penetration to draw a foul? I understand Norton was hitting some shots but that was not IMO the play to draw up in that circumstance.
Disappointing start to the season. Not giving up on Haase but this definitely reflects poorly on him because I think based on our talent we are significantly underachieving. Oh well, hope they get things figured out soon.
If you go back and watch the final play, it was designed to throw the ball into the post, but the defender fronted his man, so we weren't able to make a pass. Also, I'm willing to bet that there was a secondary action, but someone wasn't in the right spot, so it was a broken play.
Obviously, Haase didn't draw up a play for Norton to launch an NBA range three pointer (that almost went in by the way). Let's give Haase some credit folks.
As infuriating as the Mike Davis regime was, XCMD's squad nearly always scored after a time out.
(11-29-2015 09:17 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Lair. They do that most of the time in time outs. The coaches huddle and discuss things before they talk to the team.
i guess i don't have the benefit of having the camera that squarely focused on the coaches most of the time, so I've never noticed it.
perhaps the secondary option (after the post was denied) would have been more clear to the team if they had more time to cover it in the timeout
(11-29-2015 09:18 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote: [ -> ]William has started slow but he does have 17 blocks in 6 games. Not really his position but he clearly the best man for the job at the 5 spot.
Someone mentioned it earlier: Lee is hunting for the spectacular block into the upper deck.
Mehinti has a hair problem. He's way better with the To-hawk.
There's not enough
Fire Ray Watts, either.
Bartow Concessions need more roast beef. At least the jumbotron production has improved; seeing the 12-foot-high left breast of that one Golden Girl appear 15 times a game was getting kinda creepy.
Thank Gene the worst of the stupid-ass timeout promo games are gone (oooh! let's play Magic the Gathering on the edge of the court!).
The cartoon dragon out in front of Bartow Arena looks too much like our AD.
William Lee last season (coming off surgery):
FG 48.5% 3FG 45.7% FT 79.4%
After six games this season:
FG 35% 3FG 8.3% FT 30.8%
What the hell?!? Did Ha Ha get hurt during the off-season and it was kept on the down low?
So strange considering how he was playing in March of this year.
(11-29-2015 02:52 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: [ -> ]Things I would like to see:
1. Brown run the offense. He is capable of creating his own shot and dishing out assists.
2. Norton moves to the two spot. Run him off picks to try to get him more attempts at open three's.
3. Start Cokley. He is clearly playing the best right now and really our only low post threat.
4. Bring Mehenti off the bench. Maybe he can bring some energy off the bench. He clearly doesn't have any starting.
5. Lee needs to find a balance playing in the post/perimeter.
6. Uptempo more. Haase needs to turn these guys loose. It's like he keeping the thoroughbreds on a leash.
One thing I agree with Haase on is that the guys needs to start playing with their instincts. Brown and Cokley needs to become the leaders on this team. Haase also needs to do some self-reflecting with his play calling.
I agree with all of this. Hopefully the coaches look into these things. I'm not going to sit here and act like I know more than our staff, but it's evident some changes need to be made.
I'm also not going to be unreasonable and think Haase drew up an nba three to win a game, but the design there should have been better.
(11-29-2015 07:27 AM)TheGORILLA Wrote: [ -> ]I am suggesting that Haase benches Norton, Baxter, and Mehinti at the beginning of the game and, instead, starts Watts, Williams, Cokley, Lee, and Brown. What is so difficult about that? It certainly would make it more difficult for opposing teams to effectively scout our team.
You want to bench the two guys who just scored 33 points?
Unfortunately, Mehinti does look lost and slow to react. Perhaps we should work on speed and not strength next offseason.
Haase is starting to trim the rotation. We'll probably see Madison fall out of the rotation completely, and Mehinti's role will be diminished until he sorts things out. Dirk seems to be in the doghouse, but hopefully he starts earning more minutes. We need his offensive punch.
Baxter and Norton both looked more aggressive on the offensive end. We probably had more layups in this game than in all the others combined. Actually making three-pointers opens up so much more space.
On the flip side, Brown should probably defer more.
We should just commit to playing Lee at the five. He needs to work on rotations, but he is our best rim protector (Lee's block percentage is among the best in the country), so he might as well learn now. Hopefully, Lee will be able to exploit the mismatch on the offensive side and force the other team to go small, which should play to our advantage even more. That's the best case scenario; worst case is we get killed on the boards.
Cokley needs more touches. His shooting percentages are extremely efficient, and his
PER is up there with the best in the country.
(11-29-2015 10:27 AM)jthrashr Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2015 07:27 AM)TheGORILLA Wrote: [ -> ]I am suggesting that Haase benches Norton, Baxter, and Mehinti at the beginning of the game and, instead, starts Watts, Williams, Cokley, Lee, and Brown. What is so difficult about that? It certainly would make it more difficult for opposing teams to effectively scout our team.
You want to bench the two guys who just scored 33 points?
Unfortunately, Mehinti does look lost and slow to react. Perhaps we should work on speed and not strength next offseason.
Haase is starting to trim the rotation. We'll probably see Madison fall out of the rotation completely, and Mehinti's role will be diminished until he sorts things out. Dirk seems to be in the doghouse, but hopefully he starts earning more minutes. We need his offensive punch.
Baxter and Norton both looked more aggressive on the offensive end. We probably had more layups in this game than in all the others combined. Actually making three-pointers opens up so much more space.
On the flip side, Brown should probably defer more.
We should just commit to playing Lee at the five. He needs to work on rotations, but he is our best rim protector (Lee's block percentage is among the best in the country), so he might as well learn now. Hopefully, Lee will be able to exploit the mismatch on the offensive side and force the other team to go small, which should play to our advantage even more. That's the best case scenario; worst case is we get killed on the boards.
Cokley needs more touches. His shooting percentages are extremely efficient, and his PER is up there with the best in the country.
Good stuff. Mehinti and Madison look to be the odd guys out and it's disappointing. Both were big parts of our post-season run. Tyler had nine points and NINE offensive rebounds in 14 minutes vs Iowa State. In 14 minutes Friday against Illinois, 2 points and 1 rebound. He and Mehinti were progressing nicely in their careers at UAB but both seem to have hit a wall. A lot of season to turn it around, hopefully they will.
I hate that Madison and Mehinti have regressed as well, but they need to ride the bench until they sort things out. They aren't helping the team when they are out there. Mehinti has really contributed next to nothing when he's out there. He hasn't been that rim protector like we thought. He doesn't shoot. He has no real offensive moves. His hands are terrible, so he loses the ball when someone actually does pass it to him. He doesn't appear to have improved at all over his 2+ seasons..
I really hope Madison comes around, because he was a huge energy boost off the bench. I loved his energy and rebounding. I was hoping he could be our rod Rucker off the bench this year.
The whole team seems to be playing with such low energy.. What gives? This whole start to the season is so puzzling.
(11-29-2015 10:27 AM)jthrashr Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2015 07:27 AM)TheGORILLA Wrote: [ -> ]I am suggesting that Haase benches Norton, Baxter, and Mehinti at the beginning of the game and, instead, starts Watts, Williams, Cokley, Lee, and Brown. What is so difficult about that? It certainly would make it more difficult for opposing teams to effectively scout our team.
You want to bench the two guys who just scored 33 points?
Unfortunately, Mehinti does look lost and slow to react. Perhaps we should work on speed and not strength next offseason.
Haase is starting to trim the rotation. We'll probably see Madison fall out of the rotation completely, and Mehinti's role will be diminished until he sorts things out. Dirk seems to be in the doghouse, but hopefully he starts earning more minutes. We need his offensive punch.
Baxter and Norton both looked more aggressive on the offensive end. We probably had more layups in this game than in all the others combined. Actually making three-pointers opens up so much more space.
On the flip side, Brown should probably defer more.
We should just commit to playing Lee at the five. He needs to work on rotations, but he is our best rim protector (Lee's block percentage is among the best in the country), so he might as well learn now. Hopefully, Lee will be able to exploit the mismatch on the offensive side and force the other team to go small, which should play to our advantage even more. That's the best case scenario; worst case is we get killed on the boards.
Cokley needs more touches. His shooting percentages are extremely efficient, and his PER is up there with the best in the country.
Yep Tyler averages about 10 minutes a game now, Lewis averaged that last year. It seems they battle for CJ's minutes and Lewis won. I also remember last year when Madison has getting hot and Haase said something to him and pulled him out of a game and slowed his production that's what Dirk situation reminds me of.
Which I think is ridiculous, because Williams is clearly one of our better players. He just hasn't been given a real chance. The defense excuse is a farce.
(11-29-2015 09:40 AM)jthrashr Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2015 12:31 AM)Blazer85 Wrote: [ -> ]My main gripe with respect to coaching was the play drawn up at the end of regulation. Why not get a post up play or some dribble penetration to draw a foul? I understand Norton was hitting some shots but that was not IMO the play to draw up in that circumstance.
Disappointing start to the season. Not giving up on Haase but this definitely reflects poorly on him because I think based on our talent we are significantly underachieving. Oh well, hope they get things figured out soon.
If you go back and watch the final play, it was designed to throw the ball into the post, but the defender fronted his man, so we weren't able to make a pass. Also, I'm willing to bet that there was a secondary action, but someone wasn't in the right spot, so it was a broken play.
Obviously, Haase didn't draw up a play for Norton to launch an NBA range three pointer (that almost went in by the way). Let's give Haase some credit folks.
Exactly. And still it almost went in.
(11-29-2015 09:51 AM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2015 09:17 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Lair. They do that most of the time in time outs. The coaches huddle and discuss things before they talk to the team.
i guess i don't have the benefit of having the camera that squarely focused on the coaches most of the time, so I've never noticed it.
perhaps the secondary option (after the post was denied) would have been more clear to the team if they had more time to cover it in the timeout
Coaches of lots a teams do that. It's not unusual.
(11-29-2015 11:31 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote: [ -> ]Which I think is ridiculous, because Williams is clearly one of our better players. He just hasn't been given a real chance. The defense excuse is a farce.
I totally agree about the defense excuse.
I wonder for the duration of the OOC will Haase give Smallwood, Madison ten minutes to see what we get.
It could give us better shooting with Sullivan playing on the perimeter some.
Haase seems like it is a staple to have his guards play top three minutes and Madison is more of a forward so he is getting good minutes for his true guards.
I am too not happy with our record but to put it in perspective we are two stops away from being 5-1.
(11-29-2015 12:48 PM)Jball Wrote: [ -> ]I am too not happy with our record but to put it in perspective we are two stops away from being 5-1.
Yep against a beat up Auburn team, a very average ACC team, and a beat up Illinois team.
(11-29-2015 12:48 PM)Jball Wrote: [ -> ]I am too not happy with our record but to put it in perspective we are two stops away from being 5-1.
True but in the flip side about three stops from 1-5. We are practicing for the CUSA tourney and trying to get at greasy auto bid for nit as a backup.
Dee you are too kind to VT.