Thank God we won this game - because my assessment of the refs is once again a failing grade.
I would love to go back through the game (If I had the time) and note each and every missed call and misplacement of the ball after a run or catch and run. Putrid.
I know the BG fans are going to gripe about the holding call that got a TD returned, that was not a hold in my mind. But I find at least 7 holds that were not called. That and whistling UT for unsportsmanlike while the BG players are running around and shooting their mouths off every chance they had - as if they were going to intimate the Toledo players? And the unnecessary roughness after a false start call and the BG players kept playing. The UT player pushes a guy for running into him - and he gets flagged.
Then there is the illegal substitution call. BG substituted a player - the guy who missed the pass on the prior play (Rhoads) went off the field and was substituted for. UT is allowed to make a substitution and the ref is supposed to hold the play until the substitution is completed. Nope. Let BG snap the ball and gets Toledo for a penalty.
The same BS game after game.
I try very hard to be balanced in my assessment of penalties - but I swear we always come out on the short end. Always. We have superior depth on our D-line and all-MAC players. Those guys are always being held. Less than 25% of the holds - hell probably 10% are ever called.
Rant over. We won!!!
I actually thought the officiating was ok by MAC standards. May be the rose colored glasses of a win
I agree with Moto on this. How about both of the questionable TD catches........... I can't believe both were call TD's. Both very questionable, even on the replay. Like Moto, rant over, Rockets win anyway!
The first was a call incompletion wasn't it?
(11-17-2015 10:12 PM)zima182 Wrote: [ -> ]The first was a call incompletion wasn't it?
Yes - first one was originally not a catch, but was overturned. Not sure I agree it was definitive enough to overturn, but I could live with those calls. It's the basic stuff that bothers me. Missed holding calls were just too obvious. It's almost like they want to say that if I keep calling these, it's going to look like I'm on the take.
I don't get why the coaching staff isn't crawling all over them and demanding they same treatment so we can do the same thing. That is the BS that bothers me.
The first Dieter catch was a good call. Didn't think so in real time, but the replay clearly showed an amazingly skilled catch. The 2nd one I'm still not sure about. Too close to overturn though.
The only (missed) call that was really glaring in my mind was where Covington was just outright tackled as he was just about to destroy Johnson. That was so completely obvious, I just can't understand how the ref looking straight at the QB could have missed it. It gave BG points too.
Yeah, they could have called some of the chippy things on BG, but the one on Murdock was completely obvious. You just don't taunt a guy like that 2 feet in front of a ref. You are gonna lose that one. I didn't see the call on Norton so can't comment on that one.
All in all, I didn't think the refs were ok. Not great, not horrible.
(11-17-2015 10:27 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]The first Dieter catch was a good call. Didn't think so in real time, but the replay clearly showed an amazingly skilled catch. The 2nd one I'm still not sure about. Too close to overturn though.
The only (missed) call that was really glaring in my mind was where Covington was just outright tackled as he was just about to destroy Johnson. That was so completely obvious, I just can't understand how the ref looking straight at the QB could have missed it. It gave BG points too.
Yeah, they could have called some of the chippy things on BG, but the one on Murdock was completely obvious. You just don't taunt a guy like that 2 feet in front of a ref. You are gonna lose that one. I didn't see the call on Norton so can't comment on that one.
All in all, I didn't think the refs were ok. Not great, not horrible.
I can't get there. I have a feeling the call on Norton was something silly because he and the ref were laughing about it as Norton was explaining something to him. But I saw plenty of taunting from BG players several times. When that happened, the ref would just pull them aside and give what appeared to be a warning. That's BS. If it was enough to reprimand them, then throw the flag and keep it consistent.
(11-17-2015 10:27 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]The only (missed) call that was really glaring in my mind was where Covington was just outright tackled as he was just about to destroy Johnson. That was so completely obvious, I just can't understand how the ref looking straight at the QB could have missed it. It gave BG points too.
Was that a play where he got tackled from behind? Maybe in the 3rd quarter?
Overall the refs were ok. not great.
BGSU got away with a lot of shoving after the whistle and we didn't get as much leeway.
I particularly liked the one where Voss was being held on the pass rush, but still batted the pass up in the air and when it came down on his shoulder pad - the BUGS player was still holding onto a fistful of Voss' jersey.
(11-17-2015 11:28 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]I particularly liked the one where Voss was being held on the pass rush, but still batted the pass up in the air and when it came down on his shoulder pad - the BUGS player was still holding onto a fistful of Voss' jersey.
That play was a horrible none call. The guy next to me in the stands said that at the same time I did. But we get a win. I'm sure BGSUCKS fans are saying the same thing we are. It did seem like we were getting flagged for doing the same thing that they were getting away with.
(11-17-2015 10:11 PM)BusDriver Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Moto on this. How about both of the questionable TD catches........... I can't believe both were call TD's. Both very questionable, even on the replay. Like Moto, rant over, Rockets win anyway!
Both were not catches!!!!!!
The first one he didn't close his hand on the end of the ball until he raised his foot.
The second one, the ball never stopped and went thru his hands. He then turned and begged the ref to call it a catch. The Toledo 11 shot of it on the 11 O'clock news report was a better angle then ESPN had.
Bottom-line..... the second TD catch by Dieter would have never been ruled a catch and fumble if it happened outside of the end zone. NO WAY the ref's. make that call. They only did it because it was in the end zone and they did not have to deal with the fumble interpretation. Total BS call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First one I was fine with the TD call. Hell of a play.
Second one -- no way.
Problem that I have with the TD catches was that the choice of replay angles were very limited. BG has their own TV station FGS...can't they provide better coverage and more views of the play?
The catch headed into the NE corner was terrible I thought. But with the review that was possible, no way to really tell. That was a great game but it is apparent that BGSU could not deliver the goods needed to allow 1st class quality reviews.
Listened to the BG student announcers, who are beyond awful, who said they used ESPN camera angles for replay and had several for each play. They also refuse to give ball position ; "Ely throws- complete to Jones on a screen for a Rocket first down"." Uh, first down WHERE? Or say how many yards were gained- "Green gets the ball, runs to the right and gets a nice gain! Second down BG". Drove me nuts.
(11-18-2015 10:12 AM)rocket 51 Wrote: [ -> ]Problem that I have with the TD catches was that the choice of replay angles were very limited. BG has their own TV station FGS...can't they provide better coverage and more views of the play?
The catch headed into the NE corner was terrible I thought. But with the review that was possible, no way to really tell. That was a great game but it is apparent that BGSU could not deliver the goods needed to allow 1st class quality reviews.
It's out of BG's hands and you can't blame them. The replays are from the ESPN cameras and the amount and placement of the cameras is determined by how much ESPN is willing to invest in equipment/production for the game. The viewership and ad money for a Tuesday MAC game doesn't dictate a large number of cameras and crew in the production truck. It's better than the number of cameras available if it was ESPN3 only or a local outlet like BCSN.
(11-18-2015 07:47 AM)Terry Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2015 10:11 PM)BusDriver Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Moto on this. How about both of the questionable TD catches........... I can't believe both were call TD's. Both very questionable, even on the replay. Like Moto, rant over, Rockets win anyway!
Both were not catches!!!!!!
The first one he didn't close his hand on the end of the ball until he raised his foot.
The second one, the ball never stopped and went thru his hands. He then turned and begged the ref to call it a catch. The Toledo 11 shot of it on the 11 O'clock news report was a better angle then ESPN had.
TOTALLY AGREE! It's funny timing because Scott VanPelt just had a rant on SportsCenter the other day asking "What constitutes a catch anymore?" He was referring to many inconsistent calls but most recently the Odell Beckham TD that wasn't in the NYG/NE game on Sunday. The first Dieter catch was the same thing. The second should have never been called a TD in the first place.
I get that the NFL and NCAA don't have the same exact rules, but it should be pretty universal that if a player who is going out of bounds doesn't have full control of the ball, it's not a catch/TD. What's even more frustrating, BusDriver said it well, that those are only catches because they are in the End Zone.
UT won, and that's mostly all that matters. Just very frustrating/annoying that BG didn't get BLOWN OUT because of those calls.
I've noticed an interesting trend over the last 6 years...BG Fans talking trash before the game...UT smiling after the game.
Now, can we get a WMU over NIU victory tonight?!?!
Something no one has touched on. About four minutes into the third quarter two penalties were called. A false start was called. That stops play immediately. Both teams continued to play. So how is it we were flagged . Both teams were still playing.
(11-18-2015 11:44 AM)Babes boy Wrote: [ -> ]Something no one has touched on. About four minutes into the third quarter two penalties were called. A false start was called. That stops play immediately. Both teams continued to play. So how is it we were flagged . Both teams were still playing.
I recall that play, I was bewildered as to what was going on.
(11-18-2015 11:58 AM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2015 11:44 AM)Babes boy Wrote: [ -> ]Something no one has touched on. About four minutes into the third quarter two penalties were called. A false start was called. That stops play immediately. Both teams continued to play. So how is it we were flagged . Both teams were still playing.
I recall that play, I was bewildered as to what was going on.
Hitting the guy after the whistle. I didn't agree with it because the whistle for the false start was very late and, like you said, both teams were still playing. It was a bad call and if the ref didn't throw a flag for it, nobody would have noticed.