Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
(10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
Wow, my first three thoughts are:
1. Almost everything that you said is wrong.
2. This is a mountain of wishful thinking.
and
3. /thread
(10-30-2015 11:23 PM)nzmorange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
Wow, my first three thoughts are:
1. Almost everything that you said is wrong.
2. This is a mountain of wishful thinking.
and
3. /thread
4. Stow in a dark quiet niche until we have to revisit this at some future date if the Conference doesn't get a Netty and teams look to leave...
(10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
Build me an ACC/Big 12 "merger" conference.
There are scenarios out there this season were a 1 loss Clemson or FSU could still make the playoffs, where does this nonsense that the ACC champ has to be undefeated to have a shot at the CFP come from? This scenario would be horrible for the ACC.
(10-31-2015 12:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
Build me an ACC/Big 12 "merger" conference.
I could get behind this.
Never gonna happen, not enough money disparity and the east coast has more viewership.
The ACC is not the worst P5 league this year. That might belong to the PAC 12
(10-31-2015 12:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
Build me an ACC/Big 12 "merger" conference.
I've been wondering why FSU and Oklahoma don't talk more...they are basically in the same situation. It wouldn't be hard to find 6 other teams and start a brand new conference
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
Louisville
Cincinnati
Houston
East
FSU
Clemson
NC State
GT
VT
WV
Pittsburgh
West
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Norte Dame
Texas Tech
Louisville
TCU/Baylor
Crossovers: FSU & Texas, Oklahoma & Clemson, ND & Pitt, GT & TT, WV & UofL, VT & Oklahoma St, NC St & TCU/Baylor
Or take NC St out & move ND east with Texas as crossover & add Miami to the west.
The new ACC could be NC, Duke, Virg, WF, BC, Syracuse, Miami or NC St, UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Kansas & Temple.
Well, that would definitely be good for UConn.
(10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
What makes you think this ACC would "keep its P5 status"?
(10-31-2015 10:28 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
What makes you think this ACC would "keep its P5 status"?
UNC and Virginia have a lot of sway and power.
(10-31-2015 12:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]Build me an ACC/Big 12 "merger" conference.
I think the only viable solution may be for FSU, Texas, OU, Miami, and Clemson to get together and do just that.
Until that time both conferences will be at risk.
Cheers,
Neil
(10-31-2015 10:30 AM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2015 10:28 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
What makes you think this ACC would "keep its P5 status"?
UNC and Virginia have a lot of sway and power.
"Sway and power" with whom, exactly? With the Orange Bowl? With the rest of the P5?
(10-31-2015 10:46 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2015 10:30 AM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2015 10:28 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
What makes you think this ACC would "keep its P5 status"?
UNC and Virginia have a lot of sway and power.
"Sway and power" with whom, exactly? With the Orange Bowl? With the rest of the P5?
With the rest of the P5. The Big 10 would bend over backwards to have those two.
(10-31-2015 10:49 AM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2015 10:46 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2015 10:30 AM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2015 10:28 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2015 11:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Here me out: the ACC is arguably the worst P5 conference top to bottom and schools such as Florida State have already shown some displeasure at the lack of competition. I could see the Big XII taking these four schools to get into the Southeastern market (the GOR could be negotiated and, from what I have read, is a lot weaker than thought):
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech. Ok, so why is this a good thing?
1) This would result in the conference bringing in 2 good basketball schools (UConn and Cincy) replacing 4 not so good basketball schools.
2) This is the bigger point: the ACC (due to the influence of UNC and Virginia) would not disintegrate and would keep its P5 status. This is important because the conference champion (if undefeated) would get into the playoff. The good news for schools like Syracuse and Duke that normally would never get this shot with FSU around. As it is, with all things being equal, if all P5 conferences champions are undefeated, the ACC will be left out. (If Florida State had one loss last year they wouldn't have been in the playoff). That wouldn't change in the future if FSU left because the conference is still P5 (in the club).
What makes you think this ACC would "keep its P5 status"?
UNC and Virginia have a lot of sway and power.
"Sway and power" with whom, exactly? With the Orange Bowl? With the rest of the P5?
With the rest of the P5. The Big 10 would bend over backwards to have those two.
They may want to add those two schools to their conference. That's not the same thing as sharing the CFP money with 12 more schools. The B1G isn't going to vote to give that ACC P5 status in hopes that by doing so they will persuade UNC and UVa to jump ship. That new ACC would probably be the strongest P6 conference, and might win the access bowl slot once every few years. But it sure isn't going to get a guaranteed NY6 berth, and it sure isn't going to get a P5 media deal.
(10-31-2015 10:46 AM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2015 12:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]Build me an ACC/Big 12 "merger" conference.
I think the only viable solution may be for FSU, Texas, OU, Miami, and Clemson to get together and do just that.
Until that time both conferences will be at risk.
Cheers,
Neil
Agreed. Also, ND cough cough.